Your doctrine is made up as nowhere in Scripture is Jesus literally said to be anything other than a human being. The teaching you adhere to looks for ambiguities in words in order to support its claims.

Scripture teaches us there is one human being the mediates between God and humanity and he is Jesus Christ who gave his life for…

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UMB5,

Your doctrine is made up as nowhere in Scripture is Jesus literally said to be anything other than a human being. The teaching you adhere to looks for ambiguities in words in order to support its claims.

Scripture teaches us there is one human being the mediates between God and humanity and he is Jesus Christ who gave his life for…

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(2) Sure, because the words in Heb.2-5 (the situation becomes clear that Jesus was never an Angel at any time
If Jesus were an Angel (at any time), then there is a contradiction between verse 5 and verse 8.

For unto the angels HATH HE NOT put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.” (Heb 2:5

“Thou(JEHOVAH of Armies) hast put…

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(2) Sure, because the words in Heb.2-5 (the situation becomes clear that Jesus was never an Angel <span class=”bbcode-underline”>at any time</span>)
<span class=”bbcode-color” style=”color: blue;”>If Jesus were an Angel (at any time), then there is a contradiction between verse 5 and verse 8.</span>

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Hi UMB5,

Jesus comes with the voice of the archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

Why be selective?

Is Jesus Christ a trumpet to you?

Okay…so first of all instead of throwing out insults, just stick to scriptures.  I take it that you are saying that Jesus is not Michael the archangel, however he is coming with Michael, and wi…[Read more]

Hi UMB5,

Jesus comes with the voice of the archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

Why be selective?

Is Jesus Christ a trumpet to you?

Okay…so first of all the scripture says “with the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet call of God”, so no he is not a trumpet and there is no being selective.. it seems to be your logic th…[Read more]

Hi UMB5,

Jesus comes with the voice of the archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

Why be selective?

Is Jesus Christ a trumpet to you?

Okay…so first of all the scripture is “with the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet call of God”, so no he is not a trumpet and there is no being selective.. it seems to be your logic that is cl…[Read more]

(1)Are you asking me this to find out if I believe in “The Rapture”
Or
(2)Are you asking me to explain the verse the way I see things?

No I was not asking about the Rapture; and Yes I was asking for your explanation of this verse the way you see them.

1) There is no rapture – the doctrine of “the Rapture” is man-made

Agreed – but I thi…[Read more]

(1)Are you asking me this to find out if I believe in “The Rapture”

NO
Or
(2)Are you asking me to explain the verse the way I see things?

Yes

1) There is no rapture – the doctrine of “the Rapture” is man-made –

Agreed, although we may have just opened up a whole new discussion

2) If you want a further explanation, please say so;
becau…

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(1)Are you asking me this to find out if I believe in “The Rapture” No
Or
(2)Are you asking me to explain the verse the way I see things? <span style=”color: #800000;”>Yes please</span>

1) There is no rapture – the doctrine of “the Rapture” is man-made – <span style=”color: #800000;”>Agreed, although we may have just opened up a whole new…

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(1)Are you asking me this to find out if I believe in “The Rapture” No
Or
(2)Are you asking me to explain the verse the way I see things?<span style=”color: #ff0000;”> Yes</span>

1) There is no rapture – the doctrine of “the Rapture” is man-made – <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Agreed, although we may have just opened up a whole new discussio…

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Correction

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known.” – John 1:18

If no man has ever seen God, than how is Jesus God when lots of people saw him, even after his resurrection?

It seems that I am the one who misquoted you. My apologies.

Both of these questions are rhetorical – meaning to NONE of the Angels.

How do we know they are rehetorical?  It seems at looking at the other scriptures above it, its meaning None of the other Angels, because verses 3-4 show that the position given to him by his father, is what made him superior to the angels, just as superior of a name he was…[Read more]

@nickhassan

Following the bible when they say Jesus is an archangel??

“But For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.- 1st Thessalonians 4:16

you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.” -Gal.…[Read more]

Following the bible when they say Jesus is an archangel??

“But For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.- 1st Thessalonians 4:16

you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.” -Gal. 4:14

Scripture…

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Following the bible when they say Jesus is an archangel??

“But For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.- 1st Thessalonians 4:16

you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.” -Gal. 4:14

Scripture…

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The JW religion is irrelevant in the heavenly view so why do you take it so seriously?

I agree. Maybe you should ask Miia this question. What I take seriously is slander. I said in my previous post that It frustrates me when someone slanders any group or religion based on misconceptions and lies.

A group of people following a man has not rel…

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Would you please share your understanding of the following scripture:

This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.</span>

I have seen T8 give you this scripture over and over but I don’t believe I have seen you responded or address it. I am curious to what you find this scripture…[Read more]

Would you please share your understanding of the following scripture:

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.</span>

I have seen T8 give you this scripture over and over but I don’t believe I have seen you responded or address it. I am curious…[Read more]

So you went to a anti-JW website to accurately educate yourself on them. Need I say more?.. probably.. Again…SCRIPTURES.. Not anti-JW websites.  What are their teachings today…the day you slander them.. I gave you their current teaching of 1914, not one from 104 years ago..104 YEARS AGO???..Every religion has changed it’s beliefs in o…[Read more]

So you went to a anti-JW website to accurately educate yourself on them. Need I say more?.. probably.. Again…SCRIPTURES.. Not anti-JW websites.  What are their teachings today…the day you slander them.. I gave you their current teaching of 1914, not one from 104 years ago..104 YEARS AGO???..Every religion has changed it’s beliefs in o…[Read more]

So you went to a anti-JW website to accurately educate yourself on them. Need I say more?.. probably.. Again…SCRIPTURES.. Not anti-JW websites.  What are their teachings today…the day you slander them.. I gave you their current teaching of 1914, not one from 104 years ago..104 YEARS AGO???..Every religion has changed it’s beliefs in o…[Read more]

So you went to a anti-JW website to accurately educate yourself on them. Need I say more?.. probably.. Again…SCRIPTURES.. Not anti-JW websites.  What are their teachings today…the day you slander them.. I gave you their current teaching of 1914, not one from 104 years ago..104 YEARS AGO???..Every religion has changed it’s beliefs in o…[Read more]

So you went to a anti-JW website to accurately educate yourself on them. Need I say more?.. probably.. Again…SCRIPTURES.. Not anti-JW websites.  What are their teachings today…the day you slander them.. I gave you their current teaching of 1914, not one from 104 years ago..104 YEARS AGO???..Every religion has changed it’s beliefs in o…[Read more]

1914 was their founders unfulfilled prophecy on the return of Christ. They then said he did not return visibly or something like that if I remember correctly.

I’m not one to slander people because the bible makes it very clear that there is no place on the earth for a slanderer, so I went to their website (the same one you went to) to get it fr…[Read more]

1914 was their founders unfulfilled prophecy on the return of Christ. They then said he did not return visibly or something like that if I remember correctly.

I’m not one to slander people because the bible makes it very clear that there is no place on the earth for a slanderer, so I went to their website (the same one you went to) to get it fr…[Read more]

It sounds like you are discarding those variations that disagree with your conclusion. Some Trinitarians believe God is God’s proper name and that is one your discard.

I thought Trinitarians believed that Jesus was Gods name. God is not a proper name, it’s a title, right?  Reading the lesson, and all the comments I had to go back and relearn so…[Read more]

I believe you are referring to the thread that @tigger2 started. I believe that one can claim more than one of those titles above. But not based on my own opinions or reasoning…based on scripture alone we know that one can claim more than one of those above titles.  For example at 2nd Cor 4:4 Satan is called  “the god of this wo…[Read more]

🙂 I just wanted to know if different Muslims translate parts of the Quran to have a different meaning, and if this is why we see some of the violent groups of the Middle East that we see. But I can dig a lot of what you said there.

I’m just reading everyone comments, and unfortunately I do not think they are willing to actually read the post.  There really not getting it.  They aren’t even making any real rebuttals on the actual post itself. I don’t care where the information came from…if it makes sense..it makes sense..if it’s backed up with scripture than what d…[Read more]

Very interesting…and informative! Thanks for sharing. I love to learn about other religions from the horses mouth…instead of listening to what other people try to accuse a religion of believing or doing. Whether I agree with the belief or not…I can’t tell someone what’s true about their own religion. I believe in educating myself so…[Read more]

I do believe we can speak to God through Jesus as he is our mediator. Do I believe that one can actually have a conversation with God. Literally hearing the voice of God (out loud, or in their head) no.. I believe God answers prayers, but not by literally speaking to a person.  I believe that’s one of the reason he gives us the bible.…[Read more]

So Allah is a title? Not a personal name like “Jehovah”.. I guess the same as the word “God”, but in a different language?  Just trying to understand.

-UMB5

I can understand how one can derive that Jesus and God are the same by using the scripture at John 10:30 “I and the Father are One”.. especially if that has been your understanding your entire life; however it does not say they are “one God”….compare John 17:22 “The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them; that they may b…[Read more]

what does it matter if he’s JW or not.. Where does anything you copied pasted say that he denies the power of God? As a matter of fact…did you read any of what you copied and pasted. I don’t see anything that is off. It’s just a bunch of scriptures with facts. It seems to me that you have some vendetta against him because he belongs to a…[Read more]

I’m sorry but I have no idea what your talking about, however I base my belief on this matter, on scripture. I do feel that the beginning of this thread does a good job explaining this position..so no need to repeat it. I’m not sure you read it all. I read everything you wrote, (things can get lost in translation when typing) and q…[Read more]

My point was simply that just because one does not believe that men today do not have the power to perform miracles, does not mean they deny the power of God.  I agree that you should pray when sick…when well.. when happy…when sad…to say thank you…to say sorry…but I just do not believe (like David) that God today gives man…[Read more]

I found the following paragraph very interesting:

“The next point is that when John (and Matthew, Mark, and Luke also) clearly meant “God” when writing theos (the form of the Greek word which ends in ς),  he always used the definite article (‘the’ in English – ‘ho’ in Greek): ho theos.  (You can tell that o in NT Greek is ‘ho’ if it h…[Read more]

I found the following paragraph very interesting:

“The next point is that when John (and Matthew, Mark, and Luke also) clearly meant “God” when writing theos (the form of the Greek word which ends in ς),  he always used the definite article (‘the’ in English – ‘ho’ in Greek): ho theos.  (You can tell that o in NT Greek is ‘ho’ if it h…[Read more]

I found the following paragraph very interesting:</span>

“The next point is that when John (and Matthew, Mark, and Luke also) clearly meant “God” when writing theos (the form of the Greek word which ends in ς),  he always used the definite article (‘the’ in English – ‘ho’ in Greek): ho theos.  (You can tell that o in NT Greek is ‘ho…[Read more]

<span style=”color: #333333; font-family: ‘Georgia’,’serif’;”>I found the following paragraph very interesting:</span>

“The next point is that when John (and Matthew, Mark, and Luke also) clearly meant “God” when writing theos (the form of the Greek word which ends in ς),  he <b>always</b> used the definite article (‘the’ in English –…[Read more]

Thank you for your explanation. So you think he denies the power of God because he may or may not be J.W.  Interesting.  I didn’t see anything about any specific religion in this thread, and what that religion believes, so I’m not sure if that explanation actually answers the question, however what I got from this thread is that today God…[Read more]

<span style=”color: #333333; font-family: ‘Georgia’,’serif’;”>Thank you for your explanation. So you think he denies the power of God because he may or may not be J.W.  Interesting.  I didn’t see anything about any specific religion in this thread, and what that rel…[Read more]

I read the start of this thread, and was wondering why you think David does not believe in the power of God?  I believe the topic was based on whether he gives people today the ability to perform miracles like he did in biblical days. I didn’t really equate that to him not believing in the power of God. Unless he deleted something before I…[Read more]

Thank you for explaining.  I understand your reasoning about Jesus saying is it not written “ye are gods”…yet they are not gods…so Jesus himself was saying all that is written is not true.  (I think that was your reasoning, I apologize if I misunderstood)..But remember here Jesus is addressing the charge of blasphemy. He is actually qu…[Read more]

Thank you for explaining.  I understand your reasoning about Jesus saying is it not written “ye are gods”…yet they are not gods…so Jesus himself was saying all that is written is not true.  (I think that was your reasoning, I apologize if I misunderstood)..But remember here Jesus is addressing the charge of blasphemy. He is actually qu…[Read more]