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trettep replied to the topic The Creator has a Name, few know it.... do you? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:55:17 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2005,07:32)Hi eliyah, You really seem to get stuck in a groove do you not? You define sin and lawlessness according to your views and then try to force these views down everybody's throats. You really need to lighten up and realise the Saviour brought a good news message and not your doom and gloom miseries.Eliyah…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic Is Jesus God? in the forum Truth or Tradition

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:48:24 +1200

Hi everyone. I have studyed this subject a lot lately and think I stumbled onto a way to understand this more. Think about John 1:1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Now consider this which isn't in the Bible but evidence of God's work:In the beginning was the Rib, and the Rib was with Adam, and the…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 23 May 2005 02:24:47 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2005,03:05)Quote (trettep @ May 23 2005,00:02)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,23:04)Hi trettep, We are only here to search out and share truth as we find it in the bible. There is always dross and we should expect it as we are all human. Perfection is not of our natural capacity and to strive for it in our own strength…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 23 May 2005 02:19:12 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2005,00:10)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:08)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,23:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the thoughts of God or followed those…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 23:02:25 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,23:04)Hi trettep, We are only here to search out and share truth as we find it in the bible. There is always dross and we should expect it as we are all human. Perfection is not of our natural capacity and to strive for it in our own strength only leads to frustration.Nick, Don't put obstacles in others way by…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 21:20:03 +1200

Nick,I'm not sure who is “us” in your statement. I look out for humility and should also. I don't set myself up for a model of humility but I'm trying to as you should be also. You should be a model of everything that Jesus is. That is the purpose of man. Nick, for all I know God has hardened your heart to test me. Therefore, I better pass…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 20:32:29 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,20:39)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,13:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:08)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,02:18)Nick, I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16 They profess that t…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 20:25:47 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,20:33)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,13:05)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:04)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,00:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 12:26:50 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,09:32)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,02:18)Nick, I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and d…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 12:20:05 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:08)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,02:18)Nick, I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and d…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 12:05:27 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:04)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,00:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact he is said to be a son of God. Should you not rely on scriptural evidence?…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 11:56:51 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,06:27)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,01:43)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:08)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,23:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 01:55:06 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:49)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,00:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact he is said to be a son of God. Should you not rely on scriptural evidence?…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 01:18:33 +1200

Nick, I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Nick – that verse reminds me of…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 22 May 2005 00:43:02 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:08)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,23:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the thoughts of God or followed those thoughts or instructions. Certainly it does…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 21 May 2005 23:53:06 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact he is said to be a son of God. Should you not rely on scriptural evidence? Why does God not say he blew the Holy Spirit into him instead of “the…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 21 May 2005 22:52:43 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,23:21)Hi trettep, Of course Adam was a son of God. That is a natural fact. He had no other father.That does not say he had the Holy Spirit. We are sons of God by adoption not natural sons . If you are correct then in saying Adam was a son of God as he had the Spirit is to say we do not need the Spirit as we already…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Sat, 21 May 2005 22:16:09 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:52)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,20:53)I liken the Holy Spirit unto Holy Instinct. Its a gift unlearned. That when one is Born Again they are a newborn babe and can begin to discern spiritual things. Now there doesn't appear to be a limit to what God gives you of that Instinct. Instinct is Ability. Like when…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Sat, 21 May 2005 22:13:31 +1200

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 21 May 2005 22:08:33 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:20)Hi trettep, Do you have scriptural evidence from Genesis for this claim?Of course see my last post.Paul

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 21 May 2005 22:06:22 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the thoughts of God or followed those thoughts or instructions. Certainly it does not say man had the Holy Spirit. Instead we are compared with animals-both…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 21 May 2005 21:18:15 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,21:36)Hi trettep, The spirit of man is of godly origin just as this spirit of an animal is. Both come from the breath of God according to Genesis. It gives life in the inner man.James.2.26″For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead”It is good.Sin comes from lust and lust is…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 21 May 2005 19:57:45 +1200

I believe the spirit of a man is purposed for the maitenance of the flesh. In other words it desires to care for the factors that influence the flesh whether it be pride, greed, lust, pleasures, etc… There is no comprehension of it for the works of righteousness.Paul

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Sat, 21 May 2005 19:53:00 +1200

I liken the Holy Spirit unto Holy Instinct. Its a gift unlearned. That when one is Born Again they are a newborn babe and can begin to discern spiritual things. Now there doesn't appear to be a limit to what God gives you of that Instinct. Instinct is Ability. Like when a newborn infant knows to suck on the nipple. I hasn't been taught but…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Fri, 20 May 2005 11:32:27 +1200

Is there even such thing as a normal state of man? For example does man either have a Holy Spirit within him or evil spirits within him? I will be studying this subject starting this evening at the beginning of the sabbath.Paul

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Fri, 20 May 2005 03:11:48 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2005,03:58)Hi trettep, Scripture seems to suggest that Jesus was baptised in the Spirit when the Spirit of God descended as a dove in Mt 3,Mk 1 and Lk 3. Prior to that it says “the grace of God was upon him and he increased in wisdom. It is only after that tiime that he is said to be full of the Spirit, impelled by the…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What is Man? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Fri, 20 May 2005 02:40:20 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2005,21:24)Hi cubes, 2Cor 4.7″ We have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves;”Yes. Jesus had his own spirit. He was not filled with the Spirit of God till his baptism and he lived a normal life till then. It was his spirit that pleaded with…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Thu, 19 May 2005 16:50:18 +1200

Quote (Cubes @ May 19 2005,17:41)Sorry, Trett: CF to me means Christian Forums, which is the first forum I belonged to before coming here. I am here most of the time but do visit them on occasion. I currently have a thread going there to discuss the Holy Spirit with them and I just posted some of the scriptures in this thread over there in th…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Thu, 19 May 2005 15:49:33 +1200

Quote (Cubes @ May 19 2005,15:41)Also, I hope you all don't mind that I cite many of the scriptures in this thread contributed by Nick, Trettep, myself, stroshow and others on CF to demonstrate that YHWH/GOD/FATHER is the primary giver of the Holy Spirit. (Jesus is well able to give us the holy spirit too but since I believe that he is begotten…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Thu, 19 May 2005 12:48:41 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2005,02:49)Hi, The Holy Spirit is indeed the Spirit of God. No man dare blaspheme the Spirit of God. It is poured into any suitable vessel and all human vessels can be used. God makes the vessels.The vessels do not become God but contain the Spirit of God. But it is only poured into clean vessels. It is our role to wash…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic in the forum The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

Wed, 18 May 2005 16:46:49 +1200

Posted here by request of Cubes:The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father in Heaven and its through His Spirit that one IS God. For the Father is God and everything that has His Spirit is also God!Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, Eph…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 09 May 2005 12:57:54 +1200

Yes, I'm involved in a lengthly discussion on another forum concerning some very deep subject including the differences between Adam and Jesus – or why one failed and the other prevailed in their temptations in a study of predestination.As for the 18 hours I mentioned – the Book of Enoch (Book 1) is the source of that information in the Luminaries…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 08 May 2005 14:03:30 +1200

Quote (bic @ May 08 2005,06:33)Sorry for jumping in so late. Maybe this will help.Most people are unaware that two separate Sabbaths are referred to in the Gospel accounts. The first was an ANNUAL Sabbath, one of SEVEN occurring each year, called High Days. Most of these Sabbaths could fall on ANY day of the week. The second was a weekly Sabbath,…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Wed, 04 May 2005 15:25:30 +1200

Also Sammo – I owe you an apology as I thought I knew my position like concrete but wasn't until I thought about the “between the evenings” part before and how a day started that I had to reinvestigate the issue. While my findings probably still don't match yours – I want you to discount the things I said earlier on this subject as I don't want…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Wed, 04 May 2005 15:11:02 +1200

Hey Sammo, you helped me with some of your comments to understand this. Here is how I think it went down:Thursday – Jesus is crucified Friday – Jesus still in tomb Saturday – Jesus still in tomb Sunday – Jesus has risen earlier in the night before daybreak That makes 3 days and 3 nights.The reason that Mary does'nt show up until she does is…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 12:31:55 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,05:32)I was hoping you wouldn't leave it. The Passover was a Sabbath.Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was a high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 04:04:54 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,04:52)Quote (trettep @ May 02 2005,04:50)I don't believe you answered my questions – when was the lamb slain and be specific.Afternoon of 14 Abib – Ex 12:6Here is the problem with that – No work could be done on that day. That is why there is a preparation day for the Passover:Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 04:01:36 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2005,05:00)Hi tt, Did you come to argue, teach or learn?Which do you percieve it as?Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:56:55 +1200

Another problem is that you say that the Feast was 8 days long. That poses a big problem for your timing.Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:56:01 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,04:54)Quote (trettep @ May 02 2005,04:49)He said 4 days – I don't see anywhere where it says 72 hours. But I do find Jesus saying 3 days and 3 nights.Never mind.Sammo, I'm just trying to show you by you that it can be done and what the problem is with what your saying. I'm playing a student here in order to help you…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:53:36 +1200

When he said it was the 3rd day since those things he was saying that its the 3rd day SINCE they were done.But your theory has other holes I haven't gotten into yet.Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:50:08 +1200

I don't believe you answered my questions – when was the lamb slain and be specific.Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:49:13 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,04:44)Quote 3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius…9 ¶ On the morrow (one day later), as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:..23 Then called he…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:44:25 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,04:38)Quote (trettep @ May 02 2005,04:26)Again why would someone believe less than 3 days and 3 nights when they can believe 3 days and 3 nights?If I said I could eat a horse, do I literally mean that? I'm suggesting that 3 days and 3 nights is also a figure of speech – otherwise there are several irreconcilable…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:33:00 +1200

Also, when do you believe the lamb is to be slain for the Feast?Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:31:11 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,04:29)Are you sure? I make v30 exactly 72 hours (3 days) since Cornelius' vision.I count 4 days.Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:26:00 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,04:01)On Sunday 16 Abib, the men on the road to Emmaus said it was the third day since Jesus was crucified (Luke 24:21). Given that Jews counted inclusively, this has to mean that Jesus was crucified on Friday (Friday = 1, Saturday = 2, Sunday = 3).Also, if three days and nights is supposed to be understood as a literal…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 03:20:15 +1200

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,03:50)Hi PaulAnother example of inclusive counting, this time from Acts 10:Quote 1 ¶ There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.3 He saw in…[Read more]

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 02:21:39 +1200

I accept nothing less then 3 days and 3 nights. Its a sign!Paul

trettep replied to the topic What day was the resurrection on? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 02 May 2005 02:11:05 +1200

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2005,02:30)Hi tt, If I said I was coming to stay with you for two days from tomorrow at 6pm would you say ” Ok then you leave at 6 pm after two days from tomorrow night”? A little give and take will be required anyway surely?If I said I was going to stay with you 3 days and 3 nights would you think I meant 3 days and 2…[Read more]