https://heavennet.net/members/shem4name/activity/ Activity feed for shem4name. Sat, 25 Apr 2026 15:45:15 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 4bc95ee32555c291237e28486c961f04 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/12/#post-297270 Thu, 10 May 2012 21:41:31 +1200 Nick, there is more to fruit then those few verses is Gl.• 2 Timothy 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in r…[Read more]

]]> 70681b4b6bcbedf8cbcf14310cec42d4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/12/#post-296814 Mon, 07 May 2012 01:04:14 +1200 Well Nick at times it is proper to speak of your own achievements for the purpose of example. In the past year I have released a CD of original Christian music. I am about to publish a book of essays on the Christian walk. I am also publishing a Fiction Novel. I will be teaching in a Bible College this fall on Hebrew Culture. I have been involved…[Read more]

]]> 391f2e6391ada77dbf03ed15985fdf0d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/11/#post-294977 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:17:33 +1200 I wonder about these people that post on here day and night. I wonder how many people they have witnessed to in the past month. I wonder how many have gone to some sort of fellowship to be with other saints. I guess I should ask how many got out of their mother's basement.

]]> 1f73003c16a4fec014a61e24a02d4439 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/10/#post-294729 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:44:06 +1200 I want to apologize to all of you. I should not have disturbed your little kingdom and I should not have exposed myself to the idiocy contained therein. It is becoming clear why I left this looney tunes forum in the first place. Have at it. I am out of here. Make whatever comments you want. I am moving on you can sit in your own feces for another…[Read more]

]]> 531234b7e9230565a50ea81985491922 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/9/#post-294718 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:21:10 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2012,11:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,11:01)Martian,YOUR reasoning says that God can't possibly be an example to us, because He has unfair advantage over us.   Hi Mike,I agree, that is a bit odd?  God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgChrist's call to the church is to follow him. the name C…[Read more]

]]> cddf74ff0cab21ef12ccb55740d800bd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/9/#post-294716 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:15:36 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2012,11:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,11:01)Martian,YOUR reasoning says that God can't possibly be an example to us, because He has unfair advantage over us.   Hi Mike,I agree, that is a bit odd?  God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgIt is not just the concept of an example. It is the idea of h…[Read more]

]]> 757c1dbb9edef6b95846c7d12276dfa2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/9/#post-294713 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:12:56 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,11:58)Hi Ed,When I read your post, I had to double check that it was you, and not Carmel, who posted that stuff.  I'm sort of with you on the “mind sweep” thing.  I don't believe Jesus had his past memories until the Jordan.  I believe that when he was baptized, the Spirit that came upon him filled him with the me…[Read more]

]]> 43abb11df084b246c3dd8b8e0c8256b2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/9/#post-294688 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:36:26 +1200 Edj I think it is strange that you come up with some “Mind Sweep” teaching. You must be confusing the Bible with a Star trek vulcan book.

]]> 8abdd8a7f76ca3a6abd55a3a10ac75a1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/8/#post-294669 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:36:40 +1200 The premiss of this OP was not the preexistence. It was the fruit of doctrine. If you want to believe that Christ preexisted that's fine with me. As long as you agree that the man that was born and walked on this Earth did so without any advantage in power, knowledge or source of God then we have. If you do not believe this then to what ever…[Read more]

]]> 4bfdf710c5e5115a9ac51970f8f08a1c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/8/#post-294667 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:18:04 +1200 Romans 15:4 For whatever was thus written in former days was written for our instruction, that by endurance and the encouragement from the Scriptures we might hold fast to and cherish hope. How does the doctrine in question instruct or foster encouragement and hope? 2 Timothy 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which…[Read more]

]]> 274f0801496cef57406409446cf291f7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/8/#post-294647 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:27:48 +1200 t8, it is a matter of opinion as to what would be more of a sacrifice an eternal son becoming a man (A very sketchy possibility) Or The man Christ begotten in Mary's womb. The first produces a lot of mysteries and unanswered questions. What happened to the memories and experiences from this prior life? Did Christ have them in his Earthly life and…[Read more]

]]> 6f2122f7c7d43c7ee2d83bf90d032613 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/8/#post-294635 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:08:04 +1200 Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2012,05:31)Quote (shem4name @ April 25 2012,12:13)No I am not on vacation. However, since mike made this comment, “As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.” I see no point on further conversation with him. What he was really saying is ““As for…[Read more]

]]> b16f7b345444d4089b23156fefe82c09 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/8/#post-294617 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:13:30 +1200 No I am not on vacation. However, since mike made this comment, “As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.” I see no point on further conversation with him. What he was really saying is ““As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more pos…[Read more]

]]> fcda0bdf7c8aab9edf5e5eaab62caa0a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/6/#post-294285 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:47:34 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,05:57)Hi Martian, The SPIRIT IS the FULFILLMENT of the plan of God.Understanding alone is uselessness.The flesh profiteth nothingNick, No the perfect spotless bride of Christ is the fulfillment of God's plan.

]]> 2a0e6f2497544511b4420206f42ff3d5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/6/#post-294212 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:45:22 +1200 I know when I post this that those stuck in what I am about to discuss will try to twist it to their system. I post it for the one or two on here that might still be capable of discernment.On this forum I received this reply when I ask how his doctrine helped me to become like Christ. “As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I t…[Read more]

]]> 8edb9c1100bfc5919ef0fd15c0160903 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/6/#post-294201 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:15:51 +1200 Gene, When I saw this post by Mike, I should have left then. “Suit yourself Martian. As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.” This is so typical of the lost wandering souls that have no concept of the plan of God. They may have stumbled into salvation but have fallen…[Read more]

]]> 202b688c414ff03d2992c22c874fc89c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/5/#post-294077 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:29:53 +1200 MB just not in the mood to cast my pearls before the swine. That be you sir. You people have not grown or accomplished anything in the many months I have been gone. Stuck in death and loving it. It was a major waste of time getting back on here. I am out of this trap!

]]> 37cfe6858f06ca7572630ca8153f1acb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/5/#post-294042 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:53:41 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,11:20)Were either of you two going to actually try to SCRIPTURALLY refute my last post?  Or is “OMG” the best you guys have to offer?OMG again.

]]> 3537d9d87b454a7c9b68e216ee39c30a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/4/#post-294002 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:07:24 +1200 http://www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/5257/philippians2.htm

]]> 6c0fcce7bc32e42211f807b069c417e2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/4/#post-293998 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:38:24 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,08:57)Martian,Your last post only reinforces my first comment on this thread:  You wish to place Jesus where you WANT him to be (despite what the scriptures actually teach), for your own selfish reasons.  Because it makes YOU feel more empowered if Jesus was nothing but “exactly like the rest of us”, you will t…[Read more]

]]> 965c8384e7e823c6ac1054ae0f094155 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/4/#post-293966 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:23:00 +1200 The plan of God for man is clear. We are to grow and develop the character of God in us. For this reason Christ was given as our example. In this we truth lays our hope. Hope is the greatest of fruits. Without hope we have no motivation to move forward into the plan of God.Show me a God that overcomes temptation and no big deal. Show me a man that…[Read more]

]]> 7638285c6bea7811118695e4bfa0c028 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/4/#post-293945 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:06:08 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,04:16)Martian, Your entire posts argues against someone who claims Jesus was never a human being.  I have never claimed such a thing.What did your Jesus sacrifice, Martian?So you believe Jesus is human made like his brethren in every way?

]]> d61a08c84e36da25b5f68d0cc09c456a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/4/#post-293944 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:04:50 +1200 Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2012,05:15)Quote (shem4name @ April 22 2012,11:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,02:01)Gene,It is only your own personal wishes that say Jesus must have been exactly like the rest of us.  The fact that he was begotten directly by God and had no human father should tell you right away that he was NOT exactly like…[Read more]

]]> 8af9bc26f73bc466b0c0da617189c3e3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/4/#post-293943 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:03:10 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,04:16)Martian, Your entire posts argues against someone who claims Jesus was never a human being.  I have never claimed such a thing.What did your Jesus sacrifice, Martian?His life? No greater love hath a man then he lay down his life for his fellow man.

]]> a497445868dea6db8d8a10e6fb3334b6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/3/#post-293925 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:15:46 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,03:51)As I recall, you were banned from the site at your own request.  I don't know how t8's system allowed you to log back on under another user name, but as long as you continue to behave in an appropriate manner, I have no problem at all with you being here.And as long as you behave in an appropriate manner I…[Read more]

]]> dbb0a6aec240ca25cb0b9b51dfd529f0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/3/#post-293924 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:14:11 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,02:01)Gene,It is only your own personal wishes that say Jesus must have been exactly like the rest of us.  The fact that he was begotten directly by God and had no human father should tell you right away that he was NOT exactly like the rest of us.  In your scenario, God picked a normal human being who was going t…[Read more]

]]> 222d33eee3a8cd366775230491df0141 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/3/#post-293914 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:10:04 +1200 Gene, Yu know who I am. I am Martian. just had to get a new name cause I forgot my old password.

]]> 71c79baceffd295132e1aba132b5af6d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/3/#post-293804 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 03:55:28 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,13:11)Quote (shem4name @ April 21 2012,12:46)Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,11:01)Hi Martian,Then you agree that is it not important whether one believes in preexistence or not, right?God blessEd J If you want all kinds of unanswered questions and mysteries (1)included in your beliefs then it makes no difference if Christ…[Read more]

]]> 1381be1d08ab5822a0446ed66d8a4c63 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/3/#post-293780 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:46:27 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,11:01)Quote (shem4name @ April 21 2012,10:47)Ed – no disrespect but I think that you are wanting to delve down a lot of rabbit holes. It serves me no purpose to speculate on a full preexistence for everyone. That does nothing to promote my becoming like Christ in the hear and now. My Goal is to follow the plan of God…[Read more]

]]> 37ea388678437708655dd0de0e905c7b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/3/#post-293778 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:38:55 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,10:49)Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,16:38)I never said God was our example. I said Christ was and is our example.Didn't that scripture show that God was Jesus' example?  If he only does what he sees the Father doing, then the Father is Jesus' example, right?Sure an example to do things but not an example to be…[Read more]

]]> 0b8b03c631732f62943c01db7d22b301 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293775 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:34:18 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,10:51)Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,17:03)If Christ is deity prior to his coming to Earth, it begs the question, Can the Judeo Christian God stop being God and become a man? Does that fit in the character and attributes of the immortal immutable God of the bible?Why only the two options, Martian?  Why do you…[Read more]

]]> ed07d53ec88fba1bbc0b7660f930e599 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293747 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:47:14 +1200 Ed – no disrespect but I think that you are wanting to delve down a lot of rabbit holes. It serves me no purpose to speculate on a full preexistence for everyone. That does nothing to promote my becoming like Christ in the hear and now. My Goal is to follow the plan of God including foremost becoming like christ. My forty years of research has…[Read more]

]]> 298fd5582fe6610f7d6fbbca46e47aa5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293744 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:13:14 +1200 Think about it. I might be back later or tomorrow.

]]> 000ed6dffc2741a605442d0501786b9f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293743 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:03:03 +1200 Ed, one more point to consider – If Christ is deity prior to his coming to Earth, it begs the question, Can the Judeo Christian God stop being God and become a man? Does that fit in the character and attributes of the immortal immutable God of the bible?

]]> 55e6588f4e55e25f4802230e7c1cf29c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293742 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:59:08 +1200 Ed, There are two possibilities for a preexistence. Either Christ came to Earth with memories and capabilities not available to us which would deny our use as a perfect example and bring into question everything that he did – Did he do that as God or man- ORChrist came to Earth with no knowledge memory or power not availability to us, in which…[Read more]

]]> 4b0b508f73c497922e0dba3bb4ccea6e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293741 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:50:11 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,09:29)Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,16:27)If your doctrine does not help me to become like christ it is just an idle philosophy.Suit yourself Martian.  As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.That is very sad. That shows that you are…[Read more]

]]> e89c057e437a515a7091e6fb9ee1318f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293739 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:44:55 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,09:36)Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,09:07)Quote (shem4name @ April 21 2012,08:58)Nope not right.I ask how does preexistence help me to have hope that I can be like Christ? How does it help me do that? If it is just so many words with no fruit what is the point in believing it?Hi Martin,Could not the same be said about not…[Read more]

]]> 0627007ee5f9fefb97d6a8e58c3fcd85 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/page/2/#post-293738 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:41:21 +1200 Ed, I am not assuming that Christ preexisted at all. Plus the difference between all those you mentioned and Christ is that Christ is our perfect example. they are not. I am not directed to be like an angel or Jeremiah ect.

]]> 5d42354ef0994ead94cb3db04ab1dead http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/#post-293737 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:38:39 +1200 Mike thank you for posting that verse it proves my point. Christ could do nothing by himself. He must not be God then. We can do nothing of ourself but have to rely on God in us too. The fact that Christ could not arbitrarily do what he wanted proved he could not do whatever God did. I never said God was our example. I said Christ was and is our…[Read more]

]]> 4fb4c487e3292546899e964dcdabdc6b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/#post-293733 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:28:45 +1200 Mike please read the OP again.

]]> f995dcfb31d3d561b8190e0224359f36 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/#post-293731 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:27:37 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,09:19)Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,15:58)Nope not right.I ask how does preexistence help me to have hope that I can be like Christ? How does it help me do that? If it is just so many words with no fruit what is the point in believing it?So if YOU decide a doctrine helps you out, or makes you feel better about…[Read more]

]]> eaf33ea7e321c8c325f23283fbbf47a0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/#post-293727 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:19:08 +1200 In order for Christ to be a perfect example for us to follow we must have the same starting place and the same capabilities. A preexistence opens up doors of whether Christ has some added capability, knowledge not available to us. If that is so we cannot follow in the same path as he. We all act/make decisions on the basis of our experiences and…[Read more]

]]> 6ae9258b16c5ed17ba7d78e4ae8a6dc3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/#post-293723 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:06:22 +1200 Actually there is fruit from a belief in preexistence, but it is bad fruit. Because there is no clear scripture as to how this supposed preexistence effected the nature, capabilities or knowledge of Christ we do not know if what he did is something we can do or not?* Let me point out I am not talking about Christ as the blood sacrifice, I am…[Read more]

]]> cb04b07c4d1bc4f44650b314fd69d53f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-fruit-of-doctrine/#post-293721 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:58:39 +1200 Nope not right.I ask how does preexistence help me to have hope that I can be like Christ? How does it help me do that? If it is just so many words with no fruit what is the point in believing it?

]]> e2fb737cd942f74dc62eb45611a3609d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/biblical-unitarianism/page/12/#post-293219 Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:55:05 +1200 Oh blub

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