https://heavennet.net/members/shakai7/activity/ Activity feed for shakai7. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 cc6bc7d50788ea5c6223f19ffdbc460a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/#post-19005 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:03:28 +1300 Hi Nick,  I am saying that the meaning of the original text in some cases has been distorted or changed by the by the translation. Through the translation Greek mytholgy has been injected into the doctrine.  In the case of hades. Hades was understood by the early Greek believers in it's pagan dress when they were converted. They brought that u…[Read more]

]]> 29fbf1138ba4f866077563025ad6f8c1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/#post-19003 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:31:28 +1300 Hi Nick,  For sure the Jewish religious leaders were a problem for the Messianic assembly at first. That was because of their twisted interpretation of the Torah. Later as believers from the gentiles increased, their pagan teachings were adopted into the Messianic doctrine.  An example came to my mind when I was reading a disscussion on another t…[Read more]

]]> fa96dcf6d4df17120202e6725d72a552 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/#post-19001 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:55:22 +1300 Nick,    I see the deception beginning in Eden. Satan is the author of all deception. Ephraim Israel was deceived and sent into captivity. Jewish Israel was deceived and sent into captivity in physical Babylon. While there Jewish Israel had intercourse with the Babylonians, returning from there the Jews brought a bastard religion back to J…[Read more]

]]> 24ae3308450396edf2c3134f162034d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/#post-18999 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:47:51 +1300 Hello Nick,   He was never called Jesus Christ when He was here. That is a  substitute name from the whore's system. Ieasus Christos, appeared in the Greek translation of the original Hebrew writings replacing, “Yahshua Ha Mochiach”. Even if Christ is a Greek translation for Mochiach “anointed”, Ieasus is not the Greek translation for “Yahshua”. N…[Read more]

]]> 31c65e05702b5f7b23fd478423b651c9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/#post-18997 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:19:56 +1300 Hello Nick,  Strongs grk# 1577, Calling out, meeting, congregation, Jewish synagogue.Ex. 20:5Duet. 7:61Peter 2:9, They are all speaking of the same called out people. There are not two groups of called out. They are not Jews and certainly not Christians. How can I get “Christian” from being a follower of a Hebrew Messiah? Christian comes from the…[Read more]

]]> 7504f2a29fa5f812cae0b52c5cec16c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/7/#post-5106 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 04:55:24 +1300 Nick, I forgot to mention that I did not know that fact about the tribe of Benjamin being disproportionally left handed. I wonder if their may be significance to that?

]]> 424622aa59dbdc258f53143d77547988 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/7/#post-5105 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 04:31:37 +1300 Hello Nick,  All true.  Some Pharisees did believe in Yahshua but many did not. They fulfilled what had to be done in order for us to be redeemed. The Samaritans also did what prophecy said about them.  Yahshua was just passing through, staying as he found good soil, and leaving when it becameshallow and rocky.   John 11:54 “Therefore Yahshua no…[Read more]

]]> 814136fa0c450197b224e4da2a7fdea7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/7/#post-5097 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:03:34 +1300 Hi,Nick, Yes that is true about the Pharisees, I think they were the teachers of the law, they interpreted the law, of their own mind, not by the Spirit. Yahshua said to do what they say but not what they do. Their interpretation was in fear that Israel would be punished again for covenant breaking, so they added many hard regulations to Elohim's…[Read more]

]]> 913ae7fb31cb98a3b74e461bd0760cfc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/6/#post-5093 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:21:33 +1300 Hi Nick,  Sadducees and Pharisees I've never thought much about them.  I do not think they were tribal based, they were of post Babylon corruption. I have heard that they were pawns of the Roman government. I do not really know from where they got their authority. This is speculation but I think maybe they were self-appointed experts of the law. I…[Read more]

]]> ca99bef7cea77e37891e0106a485c63e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/6/#post-5089 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:06:53 +1300 Hello Nick,  I thought that was what you thought I would say. Yes some did return after time, I think maybe some of the Samaritans, in Yahshua's time were decended from Ephraim. Samaria was the capitol of the northern tribes.  The Jews had low opinion of the Samartians in the time of Yahshua. When Yahshua went to Samaria and talked to the woman a…[Read more]

]]> 5b2eb4239432328a382ca2b521acf786 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/6/#post-5083 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:25:41 +1300 Hello Nick,  You might be getting sick of this, but I see Judah as the son who has remained with his father and Ephraim who has taken his inheritance. Ephraim, who is the younger, went out to foreign countries, gave up everything that he had received from his Father. There was a famine in the country where he had hired himself out to feed pigs.…[Read more]

]]> 18b8fa0ed1f4a019fdb25e52d2277cb3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/6/#post-5081 Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:27:14 +1300 Hello Nick, I think that the seed of Abraham is physical. That the covenants were made with them. But true gentiles receive equal blessings through their acceptance of Yahshua as Messiah, and true physical Israelites, who do not accept Yahshua as Messiah are still under the curse of the law and without Yahshua they are without hope. Many who are…[Read more]

]]> 2516404a5760d2d0324038c740e83696 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/6/#post-5075 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:45:14 +1300 Hello Nick,  Yes, part of the old covenant was that any foreigner who who wants to serve Yahweh will become Israel. I have written about that in earlier post.  Is. 56:3 “Let no foreigner who has bound himself to Yahweh say, Yahweh will surely exclude me from His people,” 6.”and foreigners who bind themselves to Yahweh to serve Him, to love the n…[Read more]

]]> cb1afa6a226d4b181c3f35e3f7f8c7aa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/6/#post-5069 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:28:25 +1300 Hello Nick,   I understand that it seems a stretch, I once understood it as you do. When a friend first told me of his understanding, gentiles are Israel, I rejected it too. I thought it was rediculous, a contradiction.We both had studied the OT to gain a deeper understanding of the NT and had seen that Ephraim was scattered among the nations.…[Read more]

]]> 55ae28e1c84690e58cd5e9e0ca0a33bf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/5/#post-5066 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:11:49 +1300 Hi Nick,  I have never said or implied becomming a Jew under the OT. I am not a Jew, can not become one, don't want to become one.  Eph.2: To my understanding is speaking of Ephraim. From NT understanding only, as is the church, they interpret it as best they can with their limited resources. The church, with it's diluted greek influence has t…[Read more]

]]> e3e053a95b1876e74f6cc0279b97bfa4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/5/#post-5062 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:31:18 +1300 Hi,  For the others who believe that they are of Ephraim Israel I can not speak. For myself, I was drawn to the OT, in an attempt to better undersand the NT. I was in a full gospel non-denominational church.I always studied the NT and found that what my church was teaching, I had a different understading of scriptures.  I suspected that the c…[Read more]

]]> 8cd5a59c724d3b00f4c2b5ad837a47d9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/5/#post-5060 Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:23:21 +1300 Hello, Nick  Yes I do agree, the spiritual rebirth will happen first. That is what has begun now, what I have written about so much, the awakening of the lost sheep of Israel, a rebirth spoken of in Eze. 37. Initiated by the sacrifice of the Messiah, making it all possible.  I agree that the people of Israel will be gathered back to their own l…[Read more]

]]> d6046529b84b3ec2d5aee76a89040720 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/5/#post-5055 Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:14:07 +1300 Hello Nick,  The gate “process” I have never really researched it deeply. I looked into it this evening and this is my understanding.    John 10   The watchman: Represents the prophets and their writings. Eze. 3:17 and 33:7 call the prophet                         Ezekiel “watchman of Israel”. Hoshea 9:18 “the prophet along with my Elohim is th…[Read more]

]]> 781f57abc48c45263cd02301b5a66f02 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/5/#post-5053 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:28:31 +1300 Hello,  Everyone, no matter who you are, must go through the gate of the Good Shepherd. It is Him and only Him who can set you free from the sin.  Hebrews 9:12 “He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves; but He entered the Most Holy  Place once, for all, by His own blood having obtained eternal redemption.” 15. “For this reason, Messiah is…[Read more]

]]> d74bcc15788a96ac957bb4b48a23a655 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/5/#post-5051 Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:50:14 +1300 Hi Nick,  Some people who answer the call of Messiah are of Ephaim Israel, and some are not. Some people who hear this word of lost Israel, believe it to be true, and some people do not. Your understanding of this is different than mine. Each must believe what is in our heart. I feel from your replies that you do not completly understand my…[Read more]

]]> 3ae55b5a13c77f427ef4329ae72cd458 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/4/#post-5047 Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:04:30 +1300 Hello Nick, All people can be saved, anyone who accepts Messiah Yahshua, (Jesus) will be saved. All gentile people are not of Israel, but they are equal to Israel in Messiah. This is how Yaweh has brought salvation to all people, through the dispersion of His chosen people into the world, keeping His promise to Abraham, that his seed would become…[Read more]

]]> a8a0067a64a8a4770bb2ae37e35d22f1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/4/#post-5043 Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:30:21 +1300 Hello Nick,Acts 20:7, is an example of church interpretation from a pagan-rooted gentile backround. The problem with the interpretation is that the Jews did not reckon time as we do. Their day started at sunset, and ended at the next sunset. The “first day of the week”, started on our Saturday evening as the sun went down.  It is still common…[Read more]

]]> ffe775285cafd525346e84626101e52e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/old-and-new/page/4/#post-5011 Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:23:13 +1300 Hello Nick,  We agree more than you might think. I have not said that we are under the OT Law, we have been freed by the blood of Messiah. What you said is true, if we are led by his Spirit He will lead us into obedience.  That is exactly right, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness a…[Read more]

]]> 7448c7796b90fb842f388943430a9d2a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/enoch-17/page/5/#post-4988 Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:39:55 +1300 Hello again Nick,  We are in agreement about the prophetic importance of Israel's feast and festivals. A study of each feast brings deeper understanding of Yahweh's plan for the world, that Christianity has no idea of.  However on the Sabbath and Yahweh's Torah, we see things quite different. I was originally taught as a Christian and concidered m…[Read more]

]]> 9c96b000e9f6244421f0bf5756dcd26e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/enoch-17/page/4/#post-4976 Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:40:13 +1300 Hello Nick, Thanks for your welcome. I know I seem harsh in my statements, I try to say things that will make people do research on an issue.  That is my point about Christianity, that they have done away with all Elohim's Holy days and His Sabbath.  Where in God's word are we instructed to do that? Where are we told that we are no longer to k…[Read more]

]]> d5121a47c416c3e1d6fa638c22c39ea7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/enoch-17/page/4/#post-4969 Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:04:10 +1300 Hello, Everything from it's name “Christianity” it's holy days “Christmas and Easter” it's sabbath day “SUNday” it's title “The Church” the names it uses “Jesus, LORD”, all pagan in origin. A mixture of pagan lies claiming to be the Bride of Messiah. It's followers debate and argue over issues and are blind that this whole system is Babylon…[Read more]

]]> e9c5a654e7754297a4e046f4b80f14e4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/3/#post-3587 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:00:38 +1300 Hello t8, I am sorry that I am hard to understand. There is so much all through th Bible about this that I cannot write it all. I try to put as much as I can to explain my point but sometimes I list books and chapters that speaks about this subject. I said in one of my earlier post that this is not a salvation issue. It just tries to find where…[Read more]

]]> 0c32db4f9ac823b34e0914996e495583 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/3/#post-3586 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:33:30 +1300 Hello Is. 1:18 the word, church, is derived from the middle english word chirche. It was a building of worship even before Christianity arrived in England. The greek word used in the in the original manuscripts is, Ekklesia, “calling out, meeting, congregation, synagogue. Community of members ; I believe the idea that the church, as it is…[Read more]

]]> e046732adb077c27b8d3ab14d667447e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/2/#post-3585 Sat, 16 Oct 2004 05:17:39 +1300 Hello Nate, It is not Jewish ancestory, that is only the tribe of Judah. It is the 10 tribes from Ephriaim-Israel. In Isaiah 49:8-23 speaking of the restoation of Israel.12. See, they will come from afar, some from the north, some from the west, some from the region of aswan. 14. But Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me,the Lord has forgotten…[Read more]

]]> 4eb9613bb693a52a22b2c1263d0b504a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/2/#post-3581 Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:52:16 +1300 Hello Nate. I guess Messianic Israel believes that most of the people that call themselves Christians are really the physical seed of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, that was scattered among the nations. They lost their identity, became as pagans not even knowing who they are. They multiplied and became as numerous as the stars of the sky and the sand…[Read more]

]]> ca48b2d3e75b7d0435658fbcec3632ee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/2/#post-3579 Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:23:20 +1300 Hello Nate, Esau is not a child of the promise because; Gen.20:12 “it is through Issac that your offspring will be reckoned.”Also says, “Ismael will become a nation”, (but it is through Issac the promise will pass.) Gen.22:17-18 “Your decendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies and through your offspring all nations on earth…[Read more]

]]> ab0df6e5a1361d7a8691cfb1c7981079 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/2/#post-3578 Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:12:09 +1300 Hello Nate, I don't have much time right now, just wanted to say the Jews are only one tribe, the one who was not lost.They are Judah, they as a whole through their leadership rejected their Messiah, then the Gospel was taken to the gentiles (nations), where Ephriaim was scattered among the gentiles.D.

]]> 433acdf52e8fff675b8f99b4c0152e1a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/page/2/#post-3576 Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:21:02 +1300 Hello Nate, It is true that only those who are spiritual children are truly Israel. Jews, Ephriaim, and true gentiles who believe in the Messiah as savior are His children. It says “all Israel is not Israel”. Those who are decendents of Israel, yet reject their savior are excluded. However the quote from Romans is speaking of the physical…[Read more]

]]> a1390fe7755a9f83036a194d0959fadb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/#post-3561 Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:38:13 +1300 Hello t8 and Nick, That information you copied from that web site is the basic beliefs of Messianic Israel but a deep study into the the history of God's promises to Abraham and his decendents who would become the 12 tribes of Israel, how they were divided into two seperate kingdoms with seperate histories, why God divided them, what happened to…[Read more]

]]> aa4bb50680bfa690a4d1913a1dba990a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/#post-3557 Sat, 09 Oct 2004 05:22:32 +1300 NoMessianic Israel.

]]> 34c0ff3ad54638bdb37f36d8e1cb61d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-10-kings-of-revelation-1712-revealed/#post-3430 Sat, 09 Oct 2004 04:27:00 +1300 Hello Nick, That is true about Zechariah, it seems to be speaking about the same thing. In Zec.4:14 it says ” these are the two (olive trees) who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth.” Rev. 11:4 says”These are the two olive trees and two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.” I have heard different ideas of who they…[Read more]

]]> 5617066034b213927dc810c11f52d84f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/two-house-israel/#post-3558 Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:48:55 +1300 Hello, Is anybody interested in a discussion about God's dividing of Israel into two seperate kingdoms, Judah and Ephriaim, and how it relates to the NT.

]]> cde9d6cf5439e9bbbb622b1856f71e6c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/commandments/#post-3417 Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:22:13 +1300 Hello, Are we still required to keep the ten commandments, or have we been set free from that responsibility?

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