https://heavennet.net/members/selah/activity/ Activity feed for selah. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 03:02:33 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 7738481aebbee658ca17b456ade685e8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/28/#post-188075 Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:23:19 +1200 The initial post for this thread (A Coincidence Or A Creation) was about God's Language to Number The beast.440 plus posts later (other than Georg's one example of Latin gematria and Ed J's comment that the Quran is 666) not one comment by others as to the language to number the beast has been posted.Nor has anyone responded as to whether they…[Read more]

]]> 6ae3cfefb29ed39f1214c8fe63b4471f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/28/#post-187794 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:34:06 +1200 Hi T,Re read my post.  This particular “bow” in the Greek text is in regard to “cloth”.It is definitely NOT a weapon, so what you suggest is not applicable here.Karmarie,Regarding Rev 6:2, were you saying that the white horse is the Holy Spirit? … or were you saying it is the rider that is the Holy Spirit?Either way, what would “cloth” have to…[Read more]

]]> 588d7dca60c05b638b66aeec7503c999 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/27/#post-187567 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:09:28 +1200 Scripture indicates that as the day of the Lord draweth neigh, there will emerge upon the world scene, a final and specific person who will be the one opposed to, or in place of Christ whose name or titile will sum at 666.One can not prove which language God designed to accomplish this “numbering of the beast”, for HE DID NOT TELL US..  However,…[Read more]

]]> 6cf75feea5aa6375f0959b294df2ceb2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/27/#post-187561 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:56:13 +1200 THE RIDER, HIS BOW AND HIS CROWN             Georg … regarding the rider on the first white horse with bow and crown that went forth conquering, and to conquer.  Rev 6:2.I agree with your assessment that the rider on the first white horse had (and has) a direct association with promoting a false gospel.  Romanism definitely does not teach u…[Read more]

]]> b7fbddcc9fee6e459cbbacd1d4570e84 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/27/#post-187559 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:07:50 +1200 Hi Karmarie,It seems that there are many divergent opinions as to the nature of the rider on the first white horse.  I have a list of a dozen or more scholars that differ, yet they both offer some convincing evidence.But you are right, most believe this rider to be opposed to Christ.Regarding the link you provided.  I would not totally agree t…[Read more]

]]> aaf52faecba37f9e010c18f0508d649b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/26/#post-187395 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:58:19 +1200 Hi Karmarie,No one doubts that the rider on the second white horse is Jesus, that is why my question only involved the first one.In that you believe the first one is the Holy Spirit, what leads you to that conclusion?  Is it something you have read in a commentary, or, do you think that white always indicates purity, or is it more of a gut…[Read more]

]]> 6fae118b9716883b3ec3a5fc44b0d259 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/26/#post-187189 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:30:49 +1200 Karmarie … I was not going to post because I thought if I couldn't convince you of the identification of the false church through the pope being God on earth and the considerable amount of other evidence I had presented, I figured I was wasting our time.I am very glad that you warned your parents several times.  Not much more you can do other…[Read more]

]]> ee1da95532969f1116d8c168db124259 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/25/#post-187024 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:06:29 +1200 ” ….. The most consistent and frequent promoter of peace and human rights for the last two decades has been Pope John Paul II …. “Karmarie,I was not going to do any further posting, but I found it most interesting that the very person you are defending because of his constant plea for peace, is the very person my research shows to be the beast…[Read more]

]]> f690aca89a603e00831dc93d5edf53e4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/24/#post-186002 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:22:37 +1200 Yes T … you are right, many, many Protestant churches have prostituted themselves and many have aligned themselves with the Church Of Rome through the (apostate) World Council Of Churches.But when I read Revelation's description, it seems clear that it is speaking about a specific one, at a specific location (7 hills) with a specific mark on its…[Read more]

]]> 2ba22f38675e64010c2130d8dcb561d4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/24/#post-185973 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 22:44:13 +1200 Hi Karmarie,I am glad you did not ask about “antichrist” or “the antichrist”, but you were specific … as there is a first beast, a second beast, and it is the second one that becomes the false prophet.  We are talking about the False Prophet being the Vatican and it's hierarchy, and this same organization being the harlot church.  As you may r…[Read more]

]]> 3106c90f7c8074d2ad81f39e61ffb191 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/24/#post-185859 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:36:50 +1300 Karmarie,We agreed that if a pope died and an image was made of that dead one, and it could speak, and men followed it that would convince you that The Church of Rome is the great harlot church described in Revelation.I also asked if one claimed to be “God on Earth”, that would also convince you.  I appreciated your no nonsense reply.  You said: “…[Read more]

]]> af3de0ae5be13105d79fc8d285b49264 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/24/#post-185644 Thu, 01 Apr 2010 06:49:57 +1300 Hi Karmarie,Thanks for clearing up that part about two thirds following a speaking image of a dead pope etc..  “Saint” Cyril had me going for awhile, as I couldn't find anything in the Bible like what he claimed.THE CHURCH OF ROME CLAIMS THAT IT NEVER CHANGESThe true Christianity of Jesus and His early chruches was fomulated and complete during…[Read more]

]]> 7a80510ac85046adf59e6eebd62def47 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/23/#post-185534 Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:07:02 +1300 The video that Ed J presented is by the Adventists, so that would jib with what you remember.

]]> 7d9abd9e1a51f391d3b8fdd15a49532d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/23/#post-185500 Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:31:41 +1300 Yes Ed … very good presentation by Steve Wohlberg.  I have his book.I would consider it a “mini miracle” if all three, Ed J, George and Selah all agreed on this one interpretation!

]]> f6b05ee3b21d3db59c2436776f69bfd7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/23/#post-185459 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:58:52 +1300 Hi karmarie,”Wow Selah, two thirds of mankind = 66.6, could it mean anything?”No, I do not believe there is any significance in two thirds = 66.6 except when pope John Paul II was elected by the required vote of 66.6% of the 111 cardinals present that day.two thirds of 111 = 74Jesus was “numbered” with the transgressors.Jesus = 74Lucifer = 74

]]> 70374a03ff1f00928190a774dc5f9756 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/23/#post-185456 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:51:49 +1300 What is my understanding of the 70 weeks?It is finished.  There is no “gap” and Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ … not some antichrist.I believe what Christians have always believed about it, “prior” to John Darby's “spin”, and his futuristic scenario.As I noted to Karmarie, you can read Mauro's book free at http://www.historicism last days.  “The Seventy W…[Read more]

]]> 2b32cdbda465d92b7e3b63b308f45eb5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/23/#post-185368 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:45:58 +1300 Hi Karmarie… it is said that you are what you read.It appears that a lot of your reading is based upon your interest in what Roman Catholic writers from the past had to say.Do you think they would be critical of their own church if heresies had crept into it?I would suggest that you try to balance your reading and examine what Protestant writers…[Read more]

]]> dfc220130932c2edcdf554cdc0520e20 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/23/#post-185337 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:27:15 +1300 That is true T, that is true.

]]> a8a6f0a62651d210f5c09a54bb8d9fae http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/22/#post-185329 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:11:46 +1300 Hi Karmarie, If that is an example of early church writings, I would be hesitant about other of their claims.There are scripture passages that talk about “one third”  Rev 8,9 Satan and his one third angels and another passage in Rev 12:4, but none that connects one third or two thirds to an image.I think some of those “saints” may have had vivid…[Read more]

]]> 3e4599800652152bf7d6d8e6e6621213 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/22/#post-185307 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:17:44 +1300 Hi Karmarie … two thirds … like 66.6Could you give me your scripture passage that connects two thirds of mankind with worshiping the image?  Just spent half and hour going through all 22 chapters but must have missed it.

]]> 8a938e136b14b59e572df9d6128d6599 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/22/#post-185198 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:26:22 +1300 Hi Karmarie, you said:”When I see the pope and his followers, I don't sense anything bad.” Karmarie, are we to rely on our “common sense” for spiritual discernment or what the Bible says and history records?You are right, the pope doesn't appear that bad does he?  He looks harmless enough … clothed in his white robes, he even appears as an a…[Read more]

]]> 21e2ed73fcc3796802d909f716f0fb74 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/22/#post-185161 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:09:42 +1300 Hi Karmarie,You now say that you dont know much about the history of the RCC.  I think it is imperative that you look into it if you are seriously seeking the truth about the subject we are discussing.Did you read “What I Saw In Rome” … do you believe what he saw?Are you aware of the Inquisition?Are you aware of the book “The Rise and Fall of…[Read more]

]]> 37089610653005399d8cab8b2cf0bb3b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/21/#post-185126 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:30:54 +1300 The following excerpts are from the book “What I Saw In Rome” … by JA Kensit.Catering to the sinful bodies of men.The monk Tetzel was dispatched through Europe to hawk “indulgences” or pardon for sins. So shamelessly was this business carried forward that the monk declared his indulgences to be efficacious both for sins already committed and…[Read more]

]]> 832b3333fe793046bc55b926f25eb0f0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/21/#post-185125 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:27:27 +1300 Hi Karmarie,O Babylon, city of power!Your question … IS Rome a city of great power?Your futurist thinking may be clouding the text.  “WAS” Rome a city of great power?  Yes. Everything in the Bible, including prophecy, does not have to be in the future.Regarding its power then AND NOW.  Do not underestimate the hidden power of the Jesuits in wo…[Read more]

]]> a73537957c9c20e693a9e29520120ab9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/21/#post-185107 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:10:35 +1300 Hi Karmarie,I dont know if Rev 18 is referring to all of Rome, but God definitely is describing Vatican City to a tee.Hint … Vatican City is built upon volcanic rock.Please, slowly read Rev 18 and see if you can honestly fit New York or Jerusalem or Mecca into that description?Yes T … you could very well be right.  Hislop could have gleaned…[Read more]

]]> 1a9187d9c185b7bf6d556eb1e365fd9e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/21/#post-185042 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:50:36 +1300 Karmarie … my error.  I missed the connection between heresies, marrying and meat.  My dumb!You said “we can still buy and sell”.  That is true, but that is futurist thinking … according to them, little has happened, most is yet to come.Are you aware that an edict or papal bull was issued during the “Dark Ages” (that in itself is a picture of…[Read more]

]]> deffb3b295fc8558a9c2f614d4dbc17f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/21/#post-184988 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 05:32:31 +1300 Hey T,I have Hislop's book, good reading.Another good one is by Charles Chinique (I think I spelt that wrong) 50 Years In The Church Of Rome.He was a Roman Catholic priest in Canada and had much to say about the errors of Rome.Regarding the beast, Hislop states that he is a man, an actual personality.  Rev 13:18 tells us that he will have “the…[Read more]

]]> efa56a2702fce6d5ff395d95c8d89d82 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/21/#post-184982 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:17:53 +1300 Hi Karmarie ,,, just to clear up a couple of points from an earlier post of yours.  (Mar 22)You said:  “Forbidding to marry, refraining from eating meat could be referring to Heresies which were to come into the church.”I am curious … what biblical principle or passage connects marrying and meat to heresies?You had noted that some Adventists d…[Read more]

]]> ec6887a0d4cc216cd01cadad810bb529 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/20/#post-184937 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:13:36 +1300 Hi Karmarie,You said: “It was the Eastern Orthodox church, they have all the writings of the earliest church.”I think you will agree that that is completely different than them being the earliest church, as you and Mike had originally said (Mike saying the RCC was the first or earliest).Regarding the comments of your link.As you know, I believe…[Read more]

]]> 8f447952032d6db65b051ce68a0691c5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/20/#post-184851 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:58:09 +1300 Thanks T, but that is a subject that I do not wish to enter, as my last comment about the oneness or unity of God had to do with the literal meaning of Deut 6:4 where God is “echad” one.Echad is a unity of one and no one can dispute this, it is fact.  I would appreciate it if this subject was not injected into this thread and that we could…[Read more]

]]> 1959f0be5d08e2b1e74d40fd46d7cc25 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/20/#post-184843 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:01:46 +1300 Thanks for the link Karmarie.They had so many opposing views that one would think they all used a different Bible!

]]> d24c99ba4208628e5d00b21c5f0dfac8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/20/#post-184769 Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:36:28 +1300 Hi Karmaie,I was hoping that someone would have responded about your and Mikes claim that the RCC was “the first and earliest” church.I would have thought that the first Christian church would have been in Jerusalem … wouldn't you?In the beginning of Revelation John of Patmos speaks about seven churches that existed in his time.  The Church of…[Read more]

]]> 57e001750be5f8dd19ffce164d9739c6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/20/#post-184655 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:48:35 +1300 Yes Ed … you are right.  “Drinking the blood” is a result of their doctrine of transubstantiation.The RCC belief that Mark 14:22, 24 is to be understood literally.”This is My body” … “This is My blood”.Most Protestants believe neither Scripture nor history provide evidence for this belief.  I hope all will note the following:Protestants see i…[Read more]

]]> de75cf4da1cb9d3065b48b7339e54d88 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/19/#post-184560 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:53:14 +1300 Hi Karinamarie,I am not going to let you “off the hook” on this one!Putting aside all the miracles they claim, let us home in on one.The RCC claims the pope and his priests change the wine into the literal blood of Jesus, then they “drink the blood”.This is true or it is a lie. Do you believe they can do this?If not, how can you continue to…[Read more]

]]> 862d209d849d86c10cb5ea306cc23ce6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/19/#post-184558 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:45:00 +1300 T,The papal mitre “appears” like the head of a fish, and that is why some people compare the pope to the fish god Dagon.But their doctrine is not what we believe, but what they say it is.Their official position is that the “hat” represents the tongues of fire that came down upon the heads of the Apostles.This is fact.

]]> 19775b42ce68a1cfdd93b1f11d3d8a5b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/19/#post-184492 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:57:53 +1300 Hi Karmarie,Regarding the papal “hat” symbolizing the “tongues of fire', is that an interpretation that is biblically reasonable regarding how the false prophet (Vatican) can bring down fire “in the sight of men”?  Or, do you think that understanding is completely unbiblical?Regarding their “miracles” … do you believe them?If not, how can you…[Read more]

]]> ff32e2d4cea21e3a897d6e90cde2e582 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/19/#post-184361 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:49:08 +1300 Terraricca,Did you (Selah) ever look at the history of the Roman Catholic church?  And I mean from 323AD to 2010 Ad and compare it with the teachings of the bible .,..I thought that was what I have been doing, but please enlighten me.  I am always receptive to the truth about Romanism.You may have knowledge that I am not aware of.

]]> f74b7abfa11b727d5371cba32b8d8f13 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/19/#post-184333 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:18:15 +1300 Hi Karmarie,I had stated that thousands upon thousands of 'miracles” have been claimed by the Church of Rome.This is what distinguishes them as being the “true church”.You said … “But not making fire come down from the sky?”I am sure that you are not a 100% literalist, as you do not believe the mark of the beast to be literal.Do you think this…[Read more]

]]> 4f5030990c381a7d9e93d02826477ee8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/18/#post-184217 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:17:24 +1300 Hi Karmarie,I believe the following passages have direct reference to the Church of Rome.”And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”  Matt 23:9Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in the later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils:…[Read more]

]]> e48542dde0895768de6b2f93d05aab37 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/17/#post-183995 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:39:55 +1300 My mistake Georg.You are not “numbered” with the transgressors.Lucifer and Muhammad are 74 … you are short of the mark … only 52

]]> c6e76571027ff76e41f49f1770ba1210 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/17/#post-183955 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:00:07 +1300 Thanks Karmarie … but still no success.Perhaps the ones that were involved regarding the rider on the first white horse with crown and bow will step forth.Rev 6:2

]]> 8cbf20f9f7c1254923f153abc3e58193 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/17/#post-183954 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:52:47 +1300 Good to see you back Mike.May the Lord lead you to HIS truth, and not necessarily what you read here.You may be right about Wikipedia (I dont know) but the picture I have is about 100 persons all dressed in white all laying face down on the carpet facing … the Chair Of Peter.I am sure you know what the “Chair of Peter” represents.And no, it is…[Read more]

]]> ffd06f68482fcff435f8688278c760ff http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/16/#post-183872 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:28:45 +1300 Any one know where some threads might be located regarding Rev 6:2 the rider on the first white horse with crown and bow?I tried “search” but not much helpthank you

]]> 35fa13bba562aa1a71746a75f8688313 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/16/#post-183834 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:37:46 +1300 Thanks Ed … after 30 years on one subject, you are bound to get one right.Careful Georg … you dont want to be NUMBERED with the transgressors.GEORG = 52

]]> f4f1bb8648f4fc98d095bc89fb163485 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/16/#post-183727 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:48:49 +1300 Hi Karmarie,EVERY  pope is “Holy Father' and EVERY priest is “Father”.I have pictures of “about to be priests” laying prostate before this “Holy Father”.Another crystal clear biblical identification of the great harlot church is found in 1 Timothy 4. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry,…[Read more]

]]> 46cb70779e0b37523f11608d733d0e8f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/16/#post-183711 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:40:15 +1300 Karmarie … here is another biblical identification of the great harlot church.And call no man your father upon the earth:for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matt 23:0Does that sound like Islam to you … or the Church of Rome?The following is from my unpublished booklet.And now dear Roman Catholic reader, you know the true meaning and…[Read more]

]]> cbd86b878dfd36fe24c4201c6e592a02 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/16/#post-183706 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:24:47 +1300 No Karmarie … I was commenting on Georg's remark:”Sorry folks, after reading all your comments, all I can say is; the blind leading the blind.”It appears that he painted us all with a broad brush.

]]> 372491516af422748109ac9cea10b6aa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/15/#post-183603 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:49:17 +1300 Folks … I believe we may have struck a nerve!

]]> 257e4350be38f4fd5b685307720a0dcd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/15/#post-183577 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:53:32 +1300 Karmarie,Did you see what I was getting at from my post about the specific inspired word used to describe Jesus as being “numbered” with the transgressors?This is why I believe God designed the names Jesus Lucifer and Muhammad to each sum at 74.  HE knew it all in advance.Regarding the false harlot church in Revelation.We are told that it…[Read more]

]]> 84a9db25ddb7c4dd50278383dfb5b887 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-coincidence-or-a-creation/page/15/#post-183570 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:52:51 +1300 Hi Karmarie,I do not believe quite the same as Georg, that the mark of the beast was the sign placed on the shields of Constantine's army.I believe that to be unbiblical as that is not located on the right hand and/or forehead as stipulated in scripture.I would think that 90% or more of any army is right handed.  Therefore, they would hold the…[Read more]

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