https://heavennet.net/members/ptr775/activity/ Activity feed for ptr775. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 ee82178c1015a13b4008d08b8091b92f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/88/#post-264452 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:34:18 +1200 Kirrily, You say Ron was wrong about the “timing”, but you yourself told me you understood and believed the timing of the 50th truth before it even came from Ron, months before. You know WHY you understood it! It was because of God's spirit! The framework of the timing was correct, and deep down you know that. You say that because Laura was…[Read more]

]]> f487cad98c840cbe9826db7dfdde5908 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/88/#post-264451 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:07:47 +1200 She has rejected the message, not the messenger.

]]> da31ff14c14f0f727f917a719a2f5171 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/88/#post-264449 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:26:08 +1200 I am truly saddened beyond words. We love you Kirrily, and not as this world loves.

]]> fca4942058bb16e81260a56ed18e91ff http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/88/#post-264448 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:17:57 +1200 So Kirrily, you have become Antichrist.I continue to pray for you.

]]> 9e862ac4a0df14c32639acf604ff5abe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/88/#post-264442 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:18:54 +1200 Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 05 2009,01:58)Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,23:41)Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:31)Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,21:59) if you reject the Pope, you reject Paul.How can that be when the popes didn't even come on the scene until well after the days of paul, and them teachings different things. The very title of Pope itself…[Read more]

]]> 9e40986c4aea2d10a4cfa01b1288301d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/88/#post-264441 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:17:20 +1200 Quote (karmarie @ Aug. 05 2009,00:18)Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,23:46)Here's a simple question: If somebody goes around doing good deeds, but fails to obey God, will they receive eternal life?I do not know the answer to that question only God does.God gives you that answer in his word, and the answer is that you have to obey God.Quote Obeying…[Read more]

]]> 0fd536c78a4247a12645fe14d1b79b76 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264438 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:46:12 +1200 Quote (karmarie @ Aug. 04 2009,22:44)Quote I have to agree there are people who do give etc to look good, but there are also people who do good for others just out of compassion and feeling for others. God looks on the heart.The only ones who truly do good are already part of God's church, and have God's love flowing through them. It is God's…[Read more]

]]> 8e78d1607f12dbc22e703633f08c3c50 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264437 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:41:45 +1200 Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:31)Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,21:59) if you reject the Pope, you reject Paul.How can that be when the popes didn't even come on the scene until well after the days of paul, and them teachings different things. The very title of Pope itself contradicts Christ's teaching. Pope means Papa, or father…Matthew 23:9 And…[Read more]

]]> 345dc03e664b3cf6d9743a675a3269e0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264432 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:59:31 +1200 I understand you may believe there are good people in this world, but that is based on the standards of this world, not God's.Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?…[Read more]

]]> af4bc08d5ea89aba71887ab89cd7ddac http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264431 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:35:36 +1200 Quote (karmarie @ Aug. 04 2009,21:20)I feel for you.Is your last quoted parable supposed to make you feel better and more superior than everyone else? Why do you all think that? I quote Jesus and you think I'm being arrogant?!?Quote There are good people out here in the world. World Vision (when I was hungry you fed me, thirsty you gave me water…[Read more]

]]> 75f6aa920031e88c2d71a65d657d67ea http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264430 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:23:40 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2009,21:18)Hi, Men love following men.Can you fault what I said?

]]> bd66547a3274ed805ba4432b6d382a91 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264427 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:10:27 +1200 Quote (karmarie @ Aug. 04 2009,11:59)Hello Ptr,The 2 witnesses are mentioned in the book of Revelation.The book of Rev is a mysterious book. If I recall correctly, the Orthodox Church doesnt include it in cannon, they do believe it is inspired, but they also believe it is too complicated to be read by just anyone. Some Orthodox have looked at the…[Read more]

]]> ac43f691b38522d8a95c10553e8fa327 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/87/#post-264426 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:45:42 +1200 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 04 2009,08:08)I think they have a greater perspective about their own experience than you will ever have.You don't have any idea about that situation, which I'm not going to go into, so like I said, don't even bother.Quote No I think that they are telling the truth and your eletist attitude and arrogance is proof of…[Read more]

]]> 68f952c691e7c8ac611ef5b2ecbf05e9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/86/#post-264425 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:11:08 +1200 No, I am no prophet, and am not placing judgment on you. You are placing judgment on yourself. Quote This is what you guys claimed would happen to us when we didnt believe his previous dates and prophesies! So when he is found out to be false about the next prediction will you confess that you were wrong or will you just wait for more of his…[Read more]

]]> 99c32a27e8b3b1f9fd465ea4c6c7f9f4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/86/#post-264424 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:07:40 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2009,07:50)Hi and welcome pt, The Law was given to the Jews and applies to them. Are you a jew?Hi Nick. The Law was given to all Israel (read exodus), all 12 tribes, the Jews are those of the kingdom of Judah (the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi) which split from Israel after the death of Solomon (1Kings 12). If…[Read more]

]]> 15096869246a9ac9cb530aedd5388ae3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/86/#post-264418 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:35:54 +1200 Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,05:20) Since you endorse Mr. Weinland so much, do you go to His  Church or rented Building?  And to you keep the Sabbath? Do you know about the Old Covenant and he New?  Have you studied it?  I have lots of information about those subject and so does Heaven Net.Peace and Love IreneA church is a people, not a bui…[Read more]

]]> bcc3a07f73f6821b587260783f4bebbc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/86/#post-264417 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:29:51 +1200 I know Kirrily personally, and therefore have a much greater perspective on that situation that you ever will, so so don't even bother going there. Wj, you can go on as much as you want, telling me to open my eyes, but it is you who needs to open your eyes. It is more than faith for me, because I know for a fact this is God's church….James 5:14…[Read more]

]]> c6da31203a49c8e3d8d5b8b7cca1bdd6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/86/#post-264413 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:18:05 +1200 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2009,16:47)Are you blind?It wasn't just the time line, it was also his other predictions like the USA would not have another President and that there would be a nuke dropped on the USA last june and that the 7th seal had been opened Etc, Etc . Etc.Are YOU blind? I just addressed that.Quote These are his…[Read more]

]]> 502c3d31e20d52a2d28e5d1dbaf40786 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/86/#post-264411 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:08:23 +1200 Quote (karmarie @ Aug. 03 2009,11:20)Matthew chapter 2442“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, b…[Read more]

]]> 18a956608caeba06e052e803b0fb87ee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/85/#post-264410 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:00:51 +1200 Quote  But I stand on what I said. Nobody has a right to take others hard earned money and spend it on himself.  It is God's money. So which is it People's hard earned money, or God's?Quote  If Mr. Weinland would spend the money on buying something for the Church, like a building etc. that would make a big difference.Firstly, the church is sc…[Read more]

]]> 014509c1e39a20d5441085d9f7baaf4e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/85/#post-264407 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:04:09 +1200 Funny how you all go on about Ron taking people's hard earned money and ruining lives everybody's lives. Firstly, everything belongs to God, he just lets us have 90%. I cannot tell you the difference the truth and joy has brought to my life, because of what I have learnt through Christ VIA Ron Weinland as his minister. If people's live have been…[Read more]

]]> 984f1c5ec53d3462c1498b0eaa493c52 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/61/#post-264042 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:12:23 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Aug. 04 2008,14:11)So there is an admission to date changing. The so-called last day prophet worked out the dates himself and got it wrong and then amended them to fit a prophecy in Daniel.No, that is not what happened.

]]> 097e7254770d090b7aa41b6b6ebf0c0c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/75/#post-264260 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:39:17 +1200 Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 03 2008,00:31)There are websites you can use, can't find the one I used last time, but here are a couple of others…http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.htmlhttp://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/

]]> 75fbd13cff01621065ec13e8be7c2cd9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/76/#post-264263 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:21:11 +1200 Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 03 2008,00:14)Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 02 2008,14:50)Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59)Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10)Posted by Ronald Weinland“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demis…[Read more]

]]> 5555dc51a8b998391c5b6f8fc6511e05 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/76/#post-264264 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:50:28 +1200 Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59)Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10)Posted by Ronald Weinland“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,00…[Read more]

]]> d5c2ed19d4c020f2c5fa215c0e6f7447 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/76/#post-264266 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:54:46 +1200 Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,02:19)This is what Mr. Weinland said before.Group: Regular MembersPosts: 378Joined: June 2008  Posted: Aug. 01 2008,06:03   ——————————————————————————–ptr775 Mr. Weinland prophesied that Nukes were going to go off starting in April, that did not happen. He says that H…[Read more]

]]> aff9f4ce759246b2348fe17ca8801d7e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/76/#post-264268 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:51:50 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Aug. 02 2008,00:30)If Ron turns out to be one of the last day prophets I will publicly apologize in this discussion to show up my error. If I make any such error then I think an apology is the right thing to do to make amends and set the record straight.If Ron turns out to be right, the over 90% of the people on this forum are wrong,…[Read more]

]]> 526b36604c69d1f65510edc8dc93b8a9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/78/#post-264296 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:54:20 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 01 2008,10:18)They won't tell.  You have to listen to the sermons for yourself, they say.  It's all very silly.  Sure doesn't sound like truth that they want to promote.  It sounds more like a guessing game to me.If you can't take a bit of time out of your day to search for truth, how is anybody supposed to help you? It is…[Read more]

]]> 3272d72dfe5bbf33d6768f80e014aab8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/78/#post-264295 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:45:10 +1200 Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 01 2008,03:02)Greetings ptr775…..Are you satisfied that RW is speaking with the authority of a true prophet of God…In the event you are ,would share your convictions with respect to the here and now….so as to enlighten us allHi Theodore, i you want the answer to that question listen to this sermon, http://www.rweinland…[Read more]

]]> 7042b4634891437ae4e4030da8ca018e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/78/#post-264294 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:42:12 +1200 Quote (Irene @ Aug. 01 2008,06:03)ptr775 Mr. Weinland prophesied that Nukes were going to go off starting in April, that did not happen. He says that He is one of the Witnesses and His Wife is the other. Neither one is dead are they? and lying in  the street are they? You and your friends came on here like gang busters and proclaimed Him to be…[Read more]

]]> b570719a68a82c873161a3b5faeba2fe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/77/#post-264288 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:57:26 +1200 Quote (t8 @ July 31 2008,19:01)Quote (ptr775 @ July 31 2008,00:01)Quote (t8 @ July 28 2008,20:56)I have noticed that the guys who were promoting this so-called last day prophet are not preaching with vigor like they did pre-April. In fact I think they have all left. Where is their honor? They should have humbled themselves and apologized. That…[Read more]

]]> 12bda46b37c4ee3699ea55c1817d5dd3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/77/#post-264285 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:13:37 +1200 Quote (Hanoch @ July 31 2008,16:09)Quote (discipleelohim @ Feb. 21 2008,02:41)Ronald Weinland Predicts Large Attack On US & Opening of the Seventh Seal of Revelation & Begining of World War IIIAPRIL 2008 IS THE BEGINING OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ACCORDING TOO RONALD WEINLAND Has anybody heard of this guy? I stumbled accross him the other day at his…[Read more]

]]> 6f432b4d28cb7bc14bbb502ae5498ed0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/77/#post-264281 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:06:11 +1200 I did answer your question, I told you to listen to the sermon and find out for yourself.

]]> b6e3126ef9ba2031deb9cc49d6858dc6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/77/#post-264279 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:07:36 +1200 Quote (t8 @ July 28 2008,20:39)Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,17:59)because what I believe is hypothetically wrongIs this you saying you were wrong?Try quoting the whole sentence if you want your answer.

]]> 7cde0d32f1dac9ace92fadd67a0d2a12 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/77/#post-264278 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:04:35 +1200 Quote (t8 @ July 29 2008,21:21)Yes many people seem to need a tangible person to follow. But our walk is by faith and not sight.From what I have observed, if a man gets adoration and too much attention from followers it doesn't do that person nor the followers any good. If we are crucified with Christ, then it is not about us. It is about Christ.…[Read more]

]]> 2f7c94be57a06a877563b519ab535974 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/77/#post-264277 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:01:01 +1200 Quote (t8 @ July 28 2008,20:56)I have noticed that the guys who were promoting this so-called last day prophet are not preaching with vigor like they did pre-April. In fact I think they have all left. Where is their honor? They should have humbled themselves and apologized. That would have been the right thing to do. Anyway this discussion should…[Read more]

]]> 9919bab05b2656ac508ea0c3cfd8e5be http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/75/#post-264256 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:33:03 +1200 http://www.cog-pkg.org/audio/

]]> 96cd3e7dff1150c8de3cd9b630fab96e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/75/#post-264254 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:59:03 +1200 Quote (t8 @ June 27 2008,12:55)Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,01:08)Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around ptr775There are quite…[Read more]

]]> 3a9f4ed102cea7788e2774021b309f3d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/75/#post-264249 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:44:24 +1200 Quote (theodorej @ June 27 2008,03:02)Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,01:08)Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around Greetings…[Read more]

]]> c9bac4bf9710b820acf5c2380a79d66b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/75/#post-264247 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:08:38 +1200 Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around

]]> bdf6a0af48e5abea8594a64dc8995762 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/74/#post-264245 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:50:15 +1200 Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,21:16)ptr775If Ron's prophecies are false, could you please make an apology on this website (in this discussion) to anyone you might have help lead astray?Also, when will we know that he is speaking falsely? What month/year according to you will Ron's words be tested to the point that if they do not come to pass, then his…[Read more]

]]> bd5e4154a4187eb1f7eda5d346aa810c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/74/#post-264242 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:52:34 +1200 Well I really do not care who you trust, it has nothing to do with me, that is between you and God. It was simply a figure of speech.

]]> 4ab3f5e42d215f7a48108d09ff1f0f26 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/74/#post-264240 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:40:11 +1200 T8, you're thinking along the wrong lines, it doesn't have to do with a certain calendar, but a certain day, and I get the feeling this will be more than simply an excuse, but will make more sense than ever, and the “coincidental” timing of it and other aspects are, frankly, to much to be a coincidence.

]]> df25494c78a582663d1b47cd8c0bce9d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/#post-263139 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:08:49 +1200 I would wait before you pass judgment. It may well be that Ron was given the correct pattern of counting by God, but because of a certain long held church belief, he began counting on/from the wrong day, but it may be that this new truth corrects that. Trust me, wait and see

]]> c88dbdbf735c634c2ac18496df3ba5b5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/73/#post-264223 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:48:51 +1200 Quote (Samuel @ June 02 2008,10:25)They were discussing how Satan is actually a beautiful…I don't have to quote the bible to you…most of you know just as well how to find in the bible the things that I'm telling you are in fact in the bible…he was actually a beautiful angel.  He can disguise himself as an angel of light.I think this may be…[Read more]

]]> 0fd1b9d0f21097582654a5cceae8e5d8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/72/#post-264206 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:30:58 +1200 Quote (Broncs453 @ June 01 2008,14:26)Also, anybody listen to RW's Sabbath sermon today?  I did.  It appears to me that he is now back-pedalling on dates.  If I heard correctly, he now claims that all this tribulation he has been predicting could happen “any time” between now and the end of the 2 1/2 year period that began April 17th.  So tho…[Read more]

]]> e6e49f27a071a27b002cd922f1944929 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/72/#post-264201 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:48:22 +1200 Sorry, I see TJ has pointed that out already….

]]> 305bb3713950a209a6f7d6e8b8aa8caa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/71/#post-264200 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:47:18 +1200 Quote (seek and you will find @ June 01 2008,05:06)One thing as far as prophecy is concerned is that when Israel became a Nation again in 1948, it says that from that point on this generation will not pass away til all will be fulfilled. A Generation according to the Bible is 70 years. That will take us to 2018.Peace and Love Mrs.Where exactly is…[Read more]

]]> b40777daec60a412eb6a11ab42f5f9af http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/71/#post-264193 Sat, 31 May 2008 11:38:53 +1200 When it comes to April 17th, I find this graph quite interesting. Check out the spike in tornados after late April…http://standeyo.com/NEWS….big.gifadd to that, the quake in China, the cyclone in burma, now with the vatican giving the okay to UFO's, changing their stance on evolution (http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm),…[Read more]

]]> 4ccbab877a107d3f1b72ec64435d6bb7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/ronald-weinland-2008-gods-final-witness/page/71/#post-264192 Sat, 31 May 2008 11:28:18 +1200 I've read up on 2012, and it all seems based on pagan and new age stuff, and astrology, I don't give it much credence, unless they knew more than what God gave us in the scriptures, which I personally doubt, but each to his own I guess.

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