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Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
6) You say:
The woman is not eternal, the first woman was begotten from the man as the LORD took the rib from the man and formed the woman.
Yet when it comes to the son of God, you say that the son is eternal and this is part of the meaning of begotten, even though in your above words, you admit that the woman was begotten and was not eternal.…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
5) You say
5.But the head of Christ is God and the head of the woman is the man. Yes. So? The Father has always been the head of the Son, yet the two are equal in essence, one in Spirit and all things possible.
Was Adam always the head of Eve? Was Eve the same age as Adam? Then how can you derive your meaning when relating to God and Christ in…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
4)
God is a person or identity. He has a nature and is spirit.
Most of these wayward doctrines that define God as being a substance put his nature first and identity second.
This is wrong. He is primarily a life, not a thing or substance.
I do not define the members of my family as flesh that contains multiple persons.
They are people/lives…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
3)
Jesus is not God’s leg. He is the son.
The son is a sentient being. He is not God or a non sentient extension of God. He was born of God and is a unique person.
Likewise we can be born of God and not be God. We are sentient beings too and not God and never will be.
We are sons of God. Jesus in truth is a son too, but the prototype…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
3)
Jesus is not God’s leg. He is the son.
The son is a sentient being. He is not God or an extension of God. He was born of God.
Likewise we can be born of God and not be God. We are sentient beings too and not God and never will be.
We are sons of God. Jesus in truth is a son too, but the prototype son.
Your doctrine is indeed a strange one.…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
3)
Jesus is not God’s leg. He is the son.
The son is a sentient being. He is not God or an extension of God. He was born of God.
Likewise we can be born of God and not be God. We are sentient beings too and not God and never will be.
We are sons of God. Jesus in truth is a son too, but the prototype son.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
2)
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
If Jesus came from God, then how can he be God that he came came. Sure he will be like him and perhaps even have his nature. The revelation of Jesus Christ’s origins in scripture is that he is of God. He is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
1)
born
bɔːn/Submit
adjective
existing as a result of birth.
“she was born in Aberdeen”
having a specific nationality.
suffix: -born
“a German-born philosopher”
having a natural ability to do a particular job.
“he’s a born engineer”Yes we existed before being born. We were conceived.
conceive
kənˈsiːv/Submit
verb
past tense: conceived; past…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
born
bɔːn/Submit
adjective
existing as a result of birth.
“she was born in Aberdeen”
having a specific nationality.
suffix: -born
“a German-born philosopher”
having a natural ability to do a particular job.
“he’s a born engineer”Yes we existed before being born. We were conceived.
conceive
kənˈsiːv/Submit
verb
past tense: conceived; past part…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?
The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.
But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.
Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less member.
But the head of Christ is God and the head of the woman is the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?
The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.
But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 2 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 2 months ago
Trump for 8 years -Kim Clement 2007 Prophetic word
Proclaimer wrote a new post 9 years, 2 months ago
Before you listen to this prophecy, take note of the years these were delivered, 2007 & 2014.
These points stand out to me:
“And then I heard “gold.” I wasn’t sure if this was attached to his name, but He

Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 2 months ago
Thanks Ed. Gold.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 2 months ago
Thanks Ed.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 2 months ago
Gal 4:4,5 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
This verse makes me think of Jesus being held in reserve until the time appointed by God to call the whole world to himself which is much different…
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