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Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years ago
Just for reference, I have lifted this from Wikipedia.
Book of Enoch references in the New Testament
Enoch is referred to as a historical person and prophet, and quoted, in Jude 1:14–15:
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and t…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years ago
I like to frame my understanding of the NT through non pagan Jewish or Israelite eyes based on OT scripture. The Book of Enoch IMO is the purest and obvious form of paganism that has undoubtedly creeped in.
My view is that it has not crept in but is largely ignored by most mainstream Christianity. The fact that the book is old, was lost, and then…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Middle East Conflict in a Nutshell in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years ago
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years ago
Trump Cabinet Members Praying, Studying the Bible Together

It’s very encouraging to know that members of the president’s cabinet gather weekly for prayer. Vice President Mike Pence and eight others sponsor the sessions….
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years ago
Trump Cabinet Members Praying, Studying the Bible Together
It’s very encouraging to know that members of the president’s cabinet gather weekly for prayer. Vice President Mike Pence and eight others sponsor the sessions….
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years ago
These original sons of God were classed as ‘Holy Angels’ but their defection has déclassé them now as ‘Demonic Angels’.
Maybe, maybe not. It does seem a bit of a stretch to say that an angel who could travel to Earth and Heaven and have authority over this and that, would then become a lowly demon of lust. Seems more like their offspring…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years ago
t8, since the book of Enoch is not in the holy scriptures that we can all share the readings and interpretations together, I think it is nappropriate to bring any supposed testament or validity to the table on this book.
Your argument is not with me then because I never wrote the New Testament and consequently didn’t quote from this book in the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years ago
I have some questions about the book of Enoch, if the fallen angels are in chains reserved in darkness than how are they influencing the world?
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;I read this on Biblehub and not sure it is relevant, but…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years ago
I have some questions about the book of Enoch, if the fallen angels are in chains reserved in darkness than how are they influencing the world?
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;I read this on Biblehub and not sure it is relevant, but…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
Have you heard the saying: “flogging a dead horse”.
It kind of means that no matter how hard you try to make a dead horse alive, it will remain dead. Similarly, a doctrine that fails scripture will not suddenly become relevant by repeating the same errors?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
Have you heard the saying: “flogging a dead horse”.
It kind of means that no matter how hard you try to make a dead horse alive, it will remain dead. Similarly, a doctrine that fails scripture will not suddenly become relevant by repeating the same errors.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
I already told you that you will find that the Word was the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning
God has no beginning. He precedes that. Simple.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
t8, according to you , when did the Word and God the Father become one? Please use scripture if possible.
The Word was with God. When you are with God, that generally means you are for him, in unity with him, agree with him, but it never means you are him.
Scripture teaches us that Jesus is now back with God in the glory he had with him before…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
t8, according to you , when did the Word and God the Father become one? Please use scripture if possible.
The Word was with God. When you are with God, that generally means you are for him, in unity with him, agree with him, but it never means you are him.
Scripture teaches us that Jesus is now back with God in the glory he had with him before…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
I do not suggest two Gods side by side and in unity. I believe that there are two members within the unity of God as one God unity together with their Spirit.
But in your previous post you suggest that the Word was an unborn living being in his own right. An eternal fetus or other such description.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
The Word already was himself, within the Father before the begetting.
Commonly known as an attribute of God, not another person or being.
This eternal being inside the womb of God for all eternity past is not taught anywhere.
Are you not aware that the head of Christ is God, the head of the woman is the man, and the head of the man is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
The Word already was himself, within the Father before the begetting.
Commonly known as an attribute of God, not another person or being.
This eternal being inside the womb of God for all eternity past is not taught anywhere.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years ago
The Word already was himself, within the Father before the begetting.
Commonly known as an attribute of God, not another person or being.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Islamic Immigration in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years ago
“These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
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