https://heavennet.net/members/palal/activity/ Activity feed for palal. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 837d7883963a5555d71e3e79348f125f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/7/#post-347865 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:01:07 +1200 A interesting lecture on our debate: http://www.gracechurch.org/media….of_hell

]]> acd4a1920ee4574057573a5a84bb0d88 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/7/#post-347800 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:35:03 +1200 “Fear of the the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” Its an interesting angle about “Eternal torment is a lie against God” I find myself gradually rejecting and now accepting the hard parts I don't like in the bible, ie hell and damnation as if I do that, i'm inventing my own religion. John Stott's diatribe started with an emotional appeal which I…[Read more]

]]> c71e0f939ca06bb24ad9ee1caf007de6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/7/#post-347795 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:15:53 +1200 Yes, the whole of Gods word is counsel, but scriptures about a particular subject do not neutralise each other which your position on the “eternal destruction” is doing, the other scriptures talk about eternal fires and the wicked being destroyed in this fire, the Thessalonians adds that is “eternal destruction” destruction that goes on for…[Read more]

]]> 871a1562187158ba67fde628b4cf66de http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/7/#post-347753 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:45:47 +1200 Did you listen to it? Essentially your saying the scripture does not mean what is says. It's clear what it says, I think we are trying to use less clear scriptures so try and change is clear meaning. Also, is religion all a bad thing? i'm off to work, so cant reply till after 2pm

]]> 7a1452c80a8281d673bb5e256de84e0c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/7/#post-347685 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:14:22 +1200 Have a listen to this , this is what finally convinced me of the reality of eternity: http://media.shepherdsfellowship.org/2012….019.mp3http://www.gracechurch.org/media/6776/hell_under_fire/

]]> 85579bf6e725bdc07341e186c5cea6e0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/6/#post-347676 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:28:41 +1200 it's a simple question we return to, why did the HS put the words “eternal destruction” together if it is not “ongoing destruction for eternity” ? Why does it say what it says?

]]> 7f43e89ef748997dc850151a2a592102 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/6/#post-347633 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:50:04 +1200 there are rules to interpretation. 1.what does it say. 2.who was it said to 3. what was going on. 4. are there any scriptures about the same subject. also clear interprets unclear, is it meant to be clear?. so, going from there, with all the scriptures we have included, we can see from them that the sinners and saints are all raised for…[Read more]

]]> 6cfd8e3c9a66e734ef1218fc80b15074 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/6/#post-347498 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 04:06:27 +1200 Ill write some more later as off to work. I know enough about greek to know I don't know much. But the one thing I have learnt is that words have different meanings depending on their combinations. It's sort of like know and no. Jst because the word eon is used elsware does not mean it means the same things. Also, the OT scriptures were originally…[Read more]

]]> 3b9adf2bb96eb7f1ee98b10683b37f7c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/6/#post-347285 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:39:25 +1200 You can say it makes no sense, but again, the words show the fire burns for ever and the destruction continues forever. It's crystal clear if you think about it and look at strickly what the words mean individually and what they mean together. The Holy Spirit put them together, I agree that they doeas seem to make no sence from our point, but God…[Read more]

]]> a001be380051bc3b7226037eec638ba8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-%e2%80%9cakjv-bible%e2%80%9d/page/8/#post-347275 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:46:17 +1200 I thought the AKV had obvious translation errors?

]]> eb40cc16d5fec64e89a904bd397f8492 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/6/#post-347267 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:16:30 +1200 These are all quotes about destruction, in their context that all indicate a start and end to the destruction. Though Jude provides detail about this fire the it burns for eternity “eternal filre” A question we would never think to ask is what kind of destruction is it or how long? I would have thought destruction was destruction and it comes…[Read more]

]]> 9f0321e80fa9d49bb8dced15f792c65d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/6/#post-347238 Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:20:25 +1200 Well said, I am just a stunned bunny at the moment. 3 years ago I had this thing called “Latter Rain” preached at me. It was quite cool and exciting, I like to read, so I know most of the various endtime scenarios enough to know they all have good and bad points, so the Latter Rain stuff was new to me. Anyway, I thought I would study it, the…[Read more]

]]> dfa6c5e8abddd998676b324ff6d69a9b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/5/#post-347049 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:11:33 +1200 Ill write more tomorro, but quickly, time is reltive, swiftly to God may not be to us, (you know 1000yrs as 1day to the LORD) Delivering to satan, we're talking about the context in Thessilonians where the HS put “eternal and destruction together” As to torture, God is sovereign and just so people get their penalty, Why do bad things happen to…[Read more]

]]> 4b7ca4fd9f398217a586ae4694eea1ad http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/5/#post-347041 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 08:53:16 +1200 Jesus did say that, and it's clarified even further in that it's eternal. As for testing things, Do you think there comes a point where we stop testing as the test has produced a result? I read last week that some things are clear in the bible and usually the ones that aren't don't matter. In our case, it must end with what is written, the other…[Read more]

]]> 0319ecb150ea74853a01e682a7ec7a59 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/5/#post-347035 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 07:02:00 +1200 Destroy =ruin completely; spoil: The ancient manuscripts were destroyed by fire 2. To tear down or break up; demolish.3. To do away with; put an end to. My understanding is it has a start point and an end point. Thats quite clear. The scary part is it is linked with “eternal” giving us a dichotomy, how can destruction with beginning end be…[Read more]

]]> 8adf75aecd1bcdf6d2765ead37fd4184 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/5/#post-347027 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 04:40:10 +1200 ahhh nope, it's eternal destruction not eternal death, destruction is a process while death is a state. We are stuck with it, thats what God says and as said the only way out is contradict the bible it's self. There are rules to understanding the bible.:(

]]> 4a247fe57b7477c8c8a4d6f082b7e3d7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/5/#post-347021 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:54:37 +1200 WHat I find most interesting, ansd a clue to it's truth is the deliberate use of destruction, which is a word indicating start with an end with a word meaning time with no end. You cant be destroyed for ever. Looking to other scripture to change the clear meaning is not hermeneutical . Clear scripture trumps un clear, the ones in Peter say…[Read more]

]]> d235c14c4d3e37ab0d1ba3f0eea5b425 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/5/#post-347005 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 01:32:51 +1200 COntext context context, those scriptures say every thing and the wicked are destroyed, the Thessalonians is a specific word, more detail on the destruction of the wicked, this detail adds that the destruction is “Eternal Destruction” and means wicked continuly destroyed for eturnity. So you can not say it's incorrect unless you choose to say its…[Read more]

]]> efef32475fad6187cf3b7d3c93482447 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/4/#post-346922 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 02:48:02 +1200 Your trying to mix individual accountability with the destruction of heaves and earth. COme on, your seriously believe that that seperat scriptures about different things that have the word destruction means the “eternal destruction” is wrong in the Thessalonians one??  It's a conspiracy theory, that all translators are biased is not really a…[Read more]

]]> bc144fa4432cad8e940c94584e36ac93 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/4/#post-346915 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 01:15:31 +1200 Getting back to the same question, where are the scriptures to support your position? Again, the problem we have is it say's “Eternal Destruction” Another point is, if it's incorrect, why do all bible translations use the same words? (as far as I can find some use everlating) here's a link http://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/1-9.htm I still dont…[Read more]

]]> b625a6f6546e988c1486048f2f848f51 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/3/#post-346826 Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:04:00 +1200 Good to be included!

]]> 2c45e0a2fdbe77267b8aeb95c0e2bb04 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternal-hell-torment/page/3/#post-346814 Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:32:52 +1200 Interesting, though there are rules to understanding things, for example context context context, and there are more, an important one is that unclear scriptures are trumped by the clear ones. For example : Psalm 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment. So this scripture…[Read more]

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