1. The word “earth” (erets) in the Bible ALWAYS refers ONLY to dry land. And the EARTH was created on Day 3, when God said, “Let dry land appear…”  There was no earth until that day.

2. Heaven didn’t exist until Day 2. There didn’t exist any such thing as heaven until that day.

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1.  Berean posts an inspirational daily devotion.

2.  I Saw It On TV will spit some poison at Berean about SDA.

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Gene: A GRYO SCOPE DOES NOT SET THE HIGHTS OF ANY THING…

Mike:  I never said it did.  So now tell us what a gyro DOES do on an airplane.
(Hint:  Does it let the pilot know when he is flying LEVEL?)
 

Gene:  Mike…..NO IT DOSENT., THE ALTIMETER DOES…

Gene, take a look at who wrote this answer.  Commercial airline pilot, right?…[Read more]

Mike: Based on the Jews’ response to Jesus’ claim, is it clear that the Jews thought Jesus was implying that he was old enough to have known Abraham personally? Yes or No, please?

Jodi:  Yes, that’s a no brainer Mike!

Is it grammatically and contextually possible that this IS what Jesus was telling them?  If no, why not, exactly?

Jodi:  Jes…

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I think I remember that there are one or two more, but I can’t think of them right now.

Anyway, since the o…[Read more]

Jodi:  I read it as, I am he

and thus “I am (he)” means…
I am Christ, specifically concerning him as the anointed man who fulfills Isaiah 46, who brings forth the day of the end that was declared from the beginning, where Before Abraham was, Jesus is he.

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Danny: Hi Mike,

Before I finally go, (this time it’s really final),
I want to thank you for all your efforts in this thread.
It’s a shame that Pretender wants to silence you.
This guy simply can’t stand the truth. Period.
He calls me a dishonest low IQ person but he is the one who believes
in this foolishness:

Anyway, God bless you and your l…

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Gene: A GRYO SCOPE DOES NOT SET THE HIGHTS OF ANY THING…

I never said it did.  So now tell us what a gyro DOES do on an airplane. (Hint:  Does it let the pilot know when he is flying LEVEL?)

I will continue on with your posts that came after the ones I addressed today as soon as I can… IF I’m not banned.

If I am, please contact me at mikeboll90@gmail.com so we can carry on with our discussion.

Cheers.

Jodi:  Verse 58, Jesus speaks in the context of his last words, even before Abraham was, YHVH had declared the man who would execute YHVH’s day, bringing forth righteousness and salvation in Zion for Israel YHVH’s glory, Jesus is declaring, I am (he). He is the man of Isaiah 46 to which we are directly told by YHVH that this man who is to exec…

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Jodi: I have given you this passage before,

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning…

Mal 4:1-2  For behold, the day is coming…

Zech 9:9 Behold, your king is coming to you…

Yes, you have given them all before… but they have no bearing on any disagreement we’ve had.  They are all written by people who lived LONG after Abr…[Read more]

Jodi: Hi Mike,

Thanks for sticking with me and I see you have given many replies, thanks for all your time given to those!

Hi Jodi.  Same to you.  The problem now is that we’re writing novels back and forth to each other.  Addressing one novel is a time-consuming task.  Addressing 6 or 7 of them at a time is daunting to say the least.

So I’m…[Read more]

Pretender:  I want to cut all ties with him for sure and need to think of the best way to deal with this timewaster.

What is it with you and Gene and your incessant accusations that I’m wasting somebody’s time? Do you guys REALLY believe that me posting anything on any thread REQUIRES you to read it, let alone spend time responding to it?

People…[Read more]

Gene:  Proclaimer…….I also believe in free speech,  but i also believe in acountability  of what a persons says  and also  holding him or her responsible for what they says .  You can’t aford to let this site be the source of such stupidy, that it eventually effects the whole site in a negitive way brother

Pretender: Mike, all your argumen…

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Pretender:  Berean, the point is however, that knowledge has increased regardless of that scripture.

Walk me through it…

1.   You say Moses used “raqia” because he knew it meant “expanse”, and therefore he knew all about the heliocentric model.

2.  But then you say the 70 Hebrew Bible scholars who produced the LXX thousands of years later MIS…[Read more]

Berean: Dan.12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And many of them that…

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Pretender:  Let me remind you that on the flat earth model, it is impossible for the earth to cast a shadow on the moon.

I don’t believe the patterns on the moon are a shadow at all.  But hey… what happened to the curve of your ball earth in the top middle and top right image?  😁😂🤣

Danny: Yes, I just wanted to remind you that you already lost this debate.
And I wanted to tell Mike that I’m praying for him.

Goodbye, Pretender.

Thanks Danny!  It’s good to see that the much more accurate name I gave this clown is sticking. 😂

Pretender:  Radar is limited by the curve of the earth
Did you know: Because radar signals travel in straight lines, the distance from which a ships radar can detect another ship or boat is limited due to the curvature of the earth. Simple deduction tells you that the Earth is round.

The part I bolded and underlined is 100% true.  Unfortunately f…[Read more]

Pretender: 8K view of our star
Spherical and no evidence of uppity and downity.

So why can’t the earth be a sphere too just as the other planets are.

Can you reason?

Lol. Join the dots.

Do you SERIOUSLY believe those artists’ illustrations are actual photographs?  SERIOUSLY?

Can you reason?  Lol.  Join the dots.

Pretender:  Mike, this cult could be what you are looking for?

I was already in the cult you are currently in.  I didn’t take even a second to think for myself about so many things that are just plain obvious to me now.  Really Mike?  Planes are flying sideways and upside-down around a ball?  Really Mike?  We can somehow look from the ground and t…[Read more]

Pretender: Blood Moon happening now
I can see it now and it proves two things.

The moon doesn’t produce its own light because the earth’s shadow is blocking most of the moon and eventually the whole moon.
The shadow of earth clearly shows curvature.
I love arguing for the truth because it so easy and you always win.

And how exactly does it PROV…[Read more]

Pretender: Mike,

Have you brought back the sun yet?
What is the speed (range) of the sun using the extreme shapes possible for the dome. You can use math,
You believe in flat earth, yet refuse to even tackle such questions.

You are simply lying.  I HAVE tackled those questions.  Now a person truly seeking truth would quote what I’ve already re…[Read more]

Pretender:  So why can’t the earth be a sphere too just as the other planets are.

Did you even know that the word “planet” comes from the Greek “planétés” – the word Jude used in 1:13 to describe the wandering stars?

Jude knew that these “wanderers” were STARS, Pretender.  So much for everyone “knowing” about a spinning ball earth orbiting the s…[Read more]

Pretender:  There were people in Greece that knew better than him. That was BC way before Mike’s BS.

It’s so funny that it’s “Mike’s BS” – when EVERYONE in the ENTIRE world KNEW we lived on a flat plane with luminaries that moved over us like a giant sky clock until the early 1900’s… about the same time Charles Lyell began telling us the wo…[Read more]

Gene: Mike, the answer to your drone,  BS,   is that a drone fly’s by using a “barometer” that is in it, better known as a barometric altimeter,  that has been set by manufactures at sea level.  JUST LIKE AN AIRPLANE DOES.  So it travels by  barametric  pressure you set it at, by your controller. So you can’t set it to fly in a “straight line” …

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Now apply the Inverse-Square Law of Light – which says that each time you halve the distance, the brightness is 4 times greater.

Said simply, the moon on its surface would be MILLIONS of times BRIGHTER than we see…[Read more]

Danny: @t8

I want to add something.
Look at the following picture.
Only the plane at the top does make sense:

Hi Danny.  I had an epiphany yesterday that is directly related to your image.

I bought a drone that I can fly 5 miles away from me and then bring back.  If I launch the drone and raise it to 1 foot above the ground, it will remain at…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike the reason i add the quotation marks , is because i wanted everyone who sees it to realize it just your stupid beliefs, not anyone elses here.

But other people here DO believe the Biblical description of our world, Gene.  It’s NOT only me.

Anyway, the question that you keep avoiding from me has absolutely nothing to do with the S…[Read more]

Pretender:  Globe heads worked out the distance of the sun a very long time ago.

That sounds like a good subject we can delve into.  Shall we do that?  Or are you only capable of copying and pasting completely baseless and unsubstantiated Scientism claims and then running away and hide like a little girl?

Here’s your chance to have an in de…[Read more]

32Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but it is My Fa…[Read more]

1.   Micah says the future ruler had origins in the distant past.  The obvious meaning is that the future ruler had already existed for a long time.  Your assertion is that Micah was saying that the future ruler would have ancestors – like EVERYONE does.

Jodi, is it gram…[Read more]

Jodi: Can you explain the below, it was the Son of man that came down from heaven?

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 

What about it would you like explained?  It’s another claim by Jesus that he came down from heaven.  The former part seems odd, since t…[Read more]

Jodi: Jesus most certainly did come down from heaven as in he came down directly from God, he did not speak worldly things he spoke heavenly things as he had come from God. 

See?  This is a perfect case in point.  Your first words align with what Jesus actually said – that he came down from heaven.  But then your “as in” signals the beginning of y…[Read more]

Mike:  The “origins” in 5:2 are metaphorical – even though there isn’t any actual indication that they are metaphorical, and even though nobody would ever consider the origin of Israel’s captivity in Egypt, for example, to be the moment God prophesied about it many years before it actually happened.

Jodi:  No, the “origins” of Jesus are not m…

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Jodi:  Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning…

Isaiah 42:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor…

Malachi 4:1-2 “For behold, the day is coming…

Jesus was prophesied before Abraham was according to YHVH’s word…

Are you suggesting that Isaiah and Malachi lived and prophesied these things before Abraham existed?  I don…[Read more]

Jodi:  I didn’t speak incorrectly the word through has multiple meanings…

What word?

Jodi:  Hi Mike,

You are trying to claim something ridiculous I never said or meant. 

Jesus says that he speaks according to what the Father has taught him.

You said it, you agree, that Jesus spoke about things that God taught him.

Yes, Jesus was a latter day prophet of God, and spoke God’s message to the people.

Jodi: YHVH, who called Abraham a…

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Pretender: Mike, does the sun travel at mach 2.7 or thereabouts?

Yes / No.

I don’t know because it would require knowing how high up the sun is, and if what we see as the sun is the actual sun, or the reflection of it on the inner surface of the dome.

Are these things that YOU personally know from observation?

Pretender:  But then, during a l…

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Gene:  Ppoclaimer…….Please change  Biblical Cosmology,   to “Mikeboll64’s, beliefs in a,  “flat earth”.  Lest anyone think we and this site, have anything to do with it.

Pretender: DONE!

See?  You ARE the left. 😂  This thread is about Biblical Cosmology.  We’ve been asking you questions about the shape (and age) of our world as related t…[Read more]

Pretender:  The earth is a globe and the bible doesn’t teach a flat world.

Will you state for the record that you believe that the people who wrote the Bible knew all along that we lived on a spinning ball orbiting the sun, but for some reason, people didn’t even think about that until Copernicus 500 years ago, and actually start to believe it 10…[Read more]

Pretender: Thank you for attempting to address this, rather than ignore it.

Are you suggesting that every silly meme you take 3 seconds to paste onto this thread is a “challenge” to me that I must directly address?  Hmm…  Does that work both ways?

Pretender:  Next Step:
All you need to understand now is that the you are inside the atm…

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Now take the walls and the roof off the train to make a fair comparison since the “ball earth” doesn’t have walls and a roof,.

Does it still work?  Of course not.  But this is the level of your ignorance.  You post silly memes as if they mean something when if you’d just take one minute to think the meme through for yo…[Read more]

Gene:  Ppoclaimer…….Please change  Biblical Cosmology,   to “Mikeboll64’s, beliefs in a,  “flat earth”.

Gene, please be a MAN and directly and honestly address my Biblical questions – instead of the scared little girl you’ve so far proven yourself to be.

Besides, do you think I hide from my Biblical Earth views?  I created a YouTube channel 5…[Read more]

Pretender:  Imagine if Jesus disciples went around saying what you just said. They would have created a short-lived cult rather than the church.

You mean the disciples who knew about Neb’s dream of a tree so tall it could be seen from the entire flat plane – and about Jesus’ own account of Satan taking him to the top of a very high mountain from…[Read more]

Mike: Genesis 1:7… Thus God made the raqia, and divided the waters which were under the raqia from the waters which were above the raqia.

Very simple question:  Does this scripture say there are waters above the raqia itself?  Yes or No?

Pretender:  If the biblical word can only mean ‘above’ then yes, the scripture would be stating tha…

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Proclaimer: He may be right or wrong … Webb Telescope has not imaged a water layer outside the cosmos itself. If that happens, then I could be definite in my answer. 

That’s what this Bible Vs Scientism debate was for, Proclaimer.  I wanted you to just come out and declare for the record that your ultimate authority is not God’s written word, b…[Read more]

Pretender: He would be right if we are talking about the first heaven…

And what does the context tell us?  He has intentionally broken the psalm up into “things of heaven” and “thing of earth”.  The sun, moon, stars and waters above the heavens are all listed in the “things of heaven” category, while he lists clouds, not only in the “things of…[Read more]