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				<title>martian replied to the topic Show me the fruit in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:03:37 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Oct. 23 2010,10:41--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Oct. 23 2010,10:41)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,You wrote:<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->I am making fun of the stupidity of the Preexisters.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It does not sound like satire or mockery to me.  It sounds like anger that has grown from a bitter root. Mockery would be to make fun of the fact that Preexisters believe the absurdity that Jesus was born before his ancestors.  They m&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269602"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/22/#post-221058" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:03:58 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-+--><b>Quote</b> ( @ &#8211;)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,  <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So speaks the whacked.    LOL</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:01:14 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Oct. 22 2010,17:29--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2010,17:29)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,  Who cares what others use to justify their beliefs, a Christian tests to see if the spirit of those beliefs is from God or not.  A Christian watches themself to ensure their own believes and actions come from God.  The bitterness and anger I hear in your words does not come from God.  Please cloth you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-273699"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/21/#post-220908" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:16:42 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Oct. 22 2010,09:00--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2010,09:00)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,Just because even an expert claims something is true does not mean it is. You lay out your case and allow your hearers/readers to render their judgment.  You then try to make another case to explain your viewpoint whether believe it or not.  At this point I hear you but not the evidence to support your v&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-278856"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/20/#post-220813" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:24:48 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Firstborn does not necessarily mean first birthed. It can be an appointed position as we know Christ was appointed to many position titles.2. Col 1 15- 17 is about Christ. The Hebrews have no concept of &#8220;creating something from nothing&#8221;. That is a Western cultural concept. Creation means to fatten or fill up. It carries the concept of bringing&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-278854"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/20/#post-220802" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:01:38 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Oct. 10 2010,04:48--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2010,04:48)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Oct. 10 2010,04:03--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Oct. 10 2010,04:03)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Oct. 09 2010,09:16--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2010,09:16)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Oct. 09 2010,05:42--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42)<!--QuoteEBegin-->What&#039;s it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-282706"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/11/#post-219348" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:03:43 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Oct. 09 2010,09:16--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2010,09:16)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Oct. 09 2010,05:42--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42)<!--QuoteEBegin-->What&#039;s it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.Fix it so I will never be able to give into the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-282702"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/11/#post-219322" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:42:21 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#039;s it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.Come on you monkey ministry.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:43:00 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 29 2010,13:46--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2010,13:46)<!--QuoteEBegin-->On the contrary Irene, Martian&#039;s post deserves a pat on the back, not a tile. <!--emo&amp;:)--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" alt=':)' /><!--endemo-->By his failure to respond to solid points, he has by default admitted that he can&#039;t.He will not ever be able to explain how someone who already was a human being can be made into one, and so his ONLY defense is to run and hide from&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-279229"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/10/#post-219048" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Leaving the board in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:36:48 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for their kind words. Blessings to all and good night</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:35:58 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-WorshippingJesus+Sep. 30 2010,09:06--><b>Quote</b> (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 30 2010,09:06)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey MartianMay the Lord be with you. We will see you again when you feel like being entertained. <!--emo&amp;:)--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" alt=':)' /><!--endemo-->WJ<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It&#039;s true. It was becoming less and less entertaining and I could expect nothing else from it. But thank you for your kind words.</p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Implication or direct in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:37:58 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 28 2010,15:55--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 28 2010,15:55)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 28 2010,15:43--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2010,15:43)<!--QuoteEBegin-->&#039;Ed J,The word beginning is vague as it is a descriptive word.  The something that is being described is simply not mentioned in John 15:26-27 and therefore is implied.  John&#039;s First Century readers most likely knew what Jesus was speaking of but you seemed to have missed it.  &hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-143725"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/implication-or-direct/page/2/#post-217982" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:34:47 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 28 2010,13:55--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 28 2010,13:55)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 28 2010,00:25--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 28 2010,00:25)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 27 2010,07:04--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 27 2010,07:04)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 26 2010,09:42--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 26 2010,09:42)<!--QuoteEBegin-->There seem to be a lot of threads that ask if something is implied. The Dictionary defines “implied” as: to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct sta&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-143724"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/implication-or-direct/page/2/#post-217981" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:32:20 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,I did not read your posts and have no intention of doing so. Honest Bible discussion is a loss with you. I have nothing more to say to you. In fact since all of the moderators are cultists on this site, I may leave altogether. Have your kingdom. It will be short enough.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:24:44 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 27 2010,14:02--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,14:02)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 25 2010,01:33--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,01:33)<!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW A big part of the reason I get tiles is because one of the moderators is a pre-exister.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->All 3 of us moderators are &#8220;pre-existers&#8221; Martian.  And none of us are trinitarians, yet you don&#039;t see WJ getting blocks.  <!--emo&amp;???--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif" alt='???' /><!--endemo-->And just so you know, I have never personally reported any o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-273958"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/9/#post-217864" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:54:54 +1300</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:10:07 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 27 2010,13:57--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,13:57)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Martian,I&#039;ll give you the same challenge I gave Gene earlier today.  Tell me ONE single action you took today in behalf of furthering Jesus&#039; teachings that you would not have been able to do if Jesus pre-existed.Can you still follow Jesus&#039; teaching to give to the poor if Jesus pre-existed?Can you still&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-273956"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/9/#post-217855" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:45:10 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Baker+Sep. 27 2010,17:30--><b>Quote</b> (Baker @ Sep. 27 2010,17:30)<!--QuoteEBegin-->mean no disrespect but your posts show a lack of education in any form of proper interpretation principles. I am sorry that you have not had the opportunity to learn such things.Martian&#033;  This is what you said to Georg, you find that not an attack on Georg&#039;s character?  Maybe your thinking is bogus to say the l&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269832"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/8/#post-217853" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:35:28 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 27 2010,14:11--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,14:11)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 25 2010,02:03--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,02:03)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually I do not use implication. My conclusions come from very clear unquestioned scripture.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Well, you can&#039;t just use the scriptures you want to Martian.  I&#039;ve showed you a couple &#8220;very clear unquestioned scriptures&#8221; during this debate, but you don&#039;t want to include them&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269831"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/8/#post-217851" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:25:23 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 27 2010,07:04--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 27 2010,07:04)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 26 2010,09:42--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 26 2010,09:42)<!--QuoteEBegin-->There seem to be a lot of threads that ask if something is implied. The Dictionary defines “implied” as: to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement : to contain potentially: to express indirectlyWhy is it that eve&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-195767"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/implication-or-direct/#post-217850" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:35:32 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 27 2010,06:25--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,06:25)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 27 2010,05:37--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 27 2010,05:37)<!--QuoteEBegin-->God has no deities as children as he clearly states he is the first and the last.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Kerwin,Then what do you make of John 1:18 that says Jesus is the &#8220;only begotten god&#8221;?What do you make of the other scriptures where Jesus is referred to as a &#8220;god&#8221;?  Like Is 9:6 for&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-195762"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/implication-or-direct/#post-217795" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:28:16 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Baker+Sep. 26 2010,19:39--><b>Quote</b> (Baker @ Sep. 26 2010,19:39)<!--QuoteEBegin-->martianMat 16:13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?   Mat 16:14   And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.   Mat 16:15   He saith unto them, But&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-195759"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/implication-or-direct/#post-217788" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:31:58 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 25 2010,08:04--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,08:04)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 25 2010,07:51--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,07:51)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am always open to the leading of the Spirit and if I truly get a leading from the Spirit I know it will never contradict the Bible. <b>However to know what the Bible is really saying there must be a systems of principles to guide us into an accurate interpretation</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Martian,It&#039;s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166364"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/7/#post-217574" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:29:36 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all very nice platitudes and true as far as the go but still it is a decision of our will to cooperate with God that makes all of them possible. How does a person make decisions?  Is it based on information that we have?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:59:19 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-terraricca+Sep. 25 2010,04:23--><b>Quote</b> (terraricca @ Sep. 25 2010,04:23)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 25 2010,11:01--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,11:01)<!--QuoteEBegin-->A good clue to the honesty of a researcher is when they are open about their processes and how they come to their conclusions. Those who keep these things hidden usually have something to hide. Most likely they are hiding the fact that they have no clue how to prove their&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166362"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/7/#post-217386" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:56:30 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 25 2010,07:40--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:40)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 22 2010,17:26--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:26)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 21 2010,10:53--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,10:53)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas. <i>If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them</i>. <b>I am always open to suggestion</b>. Show me their fruit, application and <b>honesty</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Martian,This blanket statement (of yours) is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166361"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/7/#post-217384" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:51:18 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 25 2010,07:40--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:40)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 22 2010,17:26--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:26)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 21 2010,10:53--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,10:53)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas. <i>If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them</i>. <b>I am always open to suggestion</b>. Show me their fruit, application and <b>honesty</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Martian,This blanket statement (of yours) is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166360"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/7/#post-217381" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:42:42 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-terraricca+Sep. 25 2010,04:28--><b>Quote</b> (terraricca @ Sep. 25 2010,04:28)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 25 2010,10:38--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,10:38)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Gene Balthrop+Sep. 25 2010,02:44--><b>Quote</b> (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2010,02:44)<!--QuoteEBegin-->martian&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I believe we need to ask for that love of GOD to be in us, I have noticed when i pray and ask GOD to give me his Love and help me to see things like He does , it works, and i began to look at things differently&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250114"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/4/#post-217380" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:01:49 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good clue to the honesty of a researcher is when they are open about their processes and how they come to their conclusions. Those who keep these things hidden usually have something to hide. Most likely they are hiding the fact that they have no clue how to prove their points other then their opinion.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:38:13 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Gene Balthrop+Sep. 25 2010,02:44--><b>Quote</b> (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2010,02:44)<!--QuoteEBegin-->martian&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I believe we need to ask for that love of GOD to be in us, I have noticed when i pray and ask GOD to give me his Love and help me to see things like He does , it works, and i began to look at things differently with a  more sorrowful Heart  and (FEEL SORROW) for others and see their s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250112"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/4/#post-217349" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:28:04 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 24 2010,10:47--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2010,10:47)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 24 2010,09:07--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 24 2010,09:07)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 21 2010,11:57--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,11:57)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 21 2010,02:25--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,02:25)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as us not understanding every reason why God does a thing, that is true. However, God is just and fair as you have pointed out. <b>He would not send an example and command us to follow in like&hellip;</b><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269823"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/8/#post-217346" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:07:36 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Gene Balthrop+Sep. 25 2010,03:01--><b>Quote</b> (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2010,03:01)<!--QuoteEBegin-->martian&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Amen Brother. They preach a different Christ, one who is not like us and who is of different origins then us. They are beyond a doubt Antichrists and preach the doctrines of Antichrist. Their teachings separates our Identity with Christ Jesus the MAN who is OUR BROTHER. Not only that but&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269822"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/8/#post-217340" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:15:54 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-942767+Sep. 24 2010,12:02--><b>Quote</b> (942767 @ Sep. 24 2010,12:02)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Martian:<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->You say-We become like Jesus as we learn to apply God&#039;s Word in our daily lives.REply-So how do you determine what God&#039;s word is eally saying. Do you just trust that your English translation is correct in all aspects?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Is not &#8220;love&#8221; the same in any language?  Jesus said that he came not to do away&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250110"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/4/#post-217335" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:03:56 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 24 2010,10:51--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2010,10:51)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 24 2010,09:12--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 24 2010,09:12)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now that I have dealt with the sidetrack of silliness, let&#039;s get back to the subject of the thread.What does your teaching produce in the heart of a man. After all it is with the heart that we believe. So what does the heart learn from your doctrine that enables him to grow&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269820"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/8/#post-217333" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:33:03 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 24 2010,10:47--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2010,10:47)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 24 2010,09:07--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 24 2010,09:07)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 21 2010,11:57--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,11:57)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 21 2010,02:25--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,02:25)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as us not understanding every reason why God does a thing, that is true. However, God is just and fair as you have pointed out. <b>He would not send an example and command us to follow in like&hellip;</b><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-269818"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/8/#post-217331" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:29:27 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 24 2010,10:47--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2010,10:47)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 24 2010,09:07--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 24 2010,09:07)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 21 2010,11:57--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,11:57)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 21 2010,02:25--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,02:25)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as us not understanding every reason why God does a thing, that is true. However, God is just and fair as you have pointed out. <b>He would not send an example and command us to follow in like&hellip;</b><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265540"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/7/#post-217329" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:12:54 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I have dealt with the sidetrack of silliness, let&#039;s get back to the subject of the thread.What does your teaching produce in the heart of a man. After all it is with the heart that we believe. So what does the heart learn from your doctrine that enables him to grow in God or progross along the path Jesus followed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:07:34 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 21 2010,11:57--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,11:57)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 21 2010,02:25--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,02:25)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as us not understanding every reason why God does a thing, that is true. However, God is just and fair as you have pointed out. <b>He would not send an example and command us to follow in like manner then give that example knowledge or experiences (not available to us)&hellip;</b><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265535"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/7/#post-217275" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:40:14 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-942767+Sep. 23 2010,16:44--><b>Quote</b> (942767 @ Sep. 23 2010,16:44)<!--QuoteEBegin-->We become like Jesus as we learn to apply God&#039;s Word in our daily lives.  The goal is that we, like he, can say &#8220;he who has seen me, has seen the Father&#8221;.  God is love, and greater love has no man than than he should lay down his life for his friends.Love in Christ,Mart<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You say-We become like Jesus as we learn t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250105"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/4/#post-217260" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:07:50 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 23 2010,14:58--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2010,14:58)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 23 2010,06:36--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 23 2010,06:36)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Reply-What does that prove? You find one translation that does not use found and think you know something?Phil 2:8 uses the term “found” in the following –<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Martian,Why are you talking about 2:8?  I am asking you about the last part of 2:7.  Miscommunication, I guess.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265533"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/7/#post-217253" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:30:32 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 23 2010,03:44--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2010,03:44)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,I do not agree with your definition of faith as it sounds like you are inadvertently “putting the cart before the horse.   The making of decisions that are Christ like is the fruit of one’s faith.   That is one reason you must be led by God in coming to Jesus in the first place as it is God who creat&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250250"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/3/#post-217215" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:25:40 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 23 2010,09:04--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2010,09:04)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,If you are led my God then your soul will be aware of what he wants from his people.   Scripture just makes us knowledgeable by placing a name on those desires.  That is what it means to hunger and thirst for righteousness and being led by God.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And if I believe that God is leading me to paint my face G&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166356"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/7/#post-217214" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:52:18 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 23 2010,03:44--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2010,03:44)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,I do not agree with your definition of faith as it sounds like you are inadvertently “putting the cart before the horse.   The making of decisions that are Christ like is the fruit of one’s faith.   That is one reason you must be led by God in coming to Jesus in the first place as it is God who creat&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250248"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/3/#post-217202" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Honesty with scripture in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:46:37 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 23 2010,04:16--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2010,04:16)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian,I do look in to the diverse Hebrew culture of the First Century to the extend I can.  I have found out that Jesus and his students were most likely of different sects of the same tradition.  In addition the teachings of the Pharisees appear to be different than those sects that evolved from them in m&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-212478"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/6/#post-217201" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Honesty with scripture in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:41:47 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 23 2010,00:14--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 23 2010,00:14)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 22 2010,23:48--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,23:48)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you understand and interpret scripture according to Hebrews naming things according to function and not appearance? In otherwords a person can be called God because he functions as God or savior because he functions as a savior. Look at psalms 82 or john 10.These people are&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-212477"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/6/#post-217200" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Show me the fruit in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:36:34 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 22 2010,14:01--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2010,14:01)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Martian:<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->And it does not say Christ was made in the likeness of man, it says he was found in the likeness of men. It is simply saying that he was like other men.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Finally&#033;  A bite&#033; <!--emo&amp;:)--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" alt=':)' /><!--endemo-->  Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is Martian?It says, &#8220;and was made in the likeness of a human being&#8221;.The w&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265531"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/show-me-the-fruit/page/7/#post-217199" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Honesty with scripture in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:53:21 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 22 2010,17:43--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:43)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 22 2010,02:14--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,02:14)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-shimmer+Sep. 21 2010,11:05--><b>Quote</b> (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,11:05)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Otherwise we would all just believe anything anyone said, and theres alot of opinions &#033;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And there is the key&#033;&#033;&#033;<i>Everyone</i> has their own twist on how to interpret scripture.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Martian,Do you twist scripture?Does what you say apply you or do you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-212474"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/6/#post-217149" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:48:54 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 22 2010,17:48--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:48)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 22 2010,05:45--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,05:45)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 22 2010,04:49--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2010,04:49)<!--QuoteEBegin-->To all,I believe my methods of the interpretation are straight forward in that they rely on the nature of God and thus take into account what God desires in his people and are consistent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So tell them to me.  Do you study Hebrew Culture?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-212473"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/6/#post-217148" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>martian replied to the topic Becoming like christ in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:51:20 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 22 2010,04:44--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2010,04:44)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gene,What Jesus was teaching to those that heard his word was they must believe that he is the Anointed One God had promised.  In this way the way to God for those that hear the good news is through faith in Jesus.  He was simply leaving the word &#8220;faith&#8221; implied.Is that what you are stating I will agree.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Depends o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250242"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/becoming-like-christ/page/3/#post-217061" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:45:59 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-kerwin+Sep. 22 2010,04:49--><b>Quote</b> (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2010,04:49)<!--QuoteEBegin-->To all,I believe my methods of the interpretation are straight forward in that they rely on the nature of God and thus take into account what God desires in his people and are consistent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So tell them to me.  Do you study Hebrew Culture? Do you use the original languages of scripture? Do you preserve the context&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-212467"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/honesty-with-scripture/page/6/#post-217060" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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