https://heavennet.net/members/liljon/activity/ Activity feed for liljon. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 afc9b48c4d8879caf63ae1fe3d181b10 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/28/#post-35485 Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:16:59 +1300 Jesus is God otherwise thomas wouldnt have said so in John 20:28.

]]> 8fc661c13784ce1ac6abcadb1988fc66 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-defense-of-king-james-vi-i/page/5/#post-42285 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:51:49 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2006,22:29)Hi kenrch, Were these verses truly CHANGED? Or do the other versions honestly reflect alternative manuscript writings?KJV enthusiasts love to suggest that they have been altered, but usually not.NIV is another story at times.True, you can't assume its always a change unless you prove it first.

]]> 63ff4564c566f125c3c84fb15a24fe0d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/19/#post-13493 Wed, 10 May 2006 20:38:20 +1200 Bible.ca shows the deception of the SYBTT booklet including the ECF quotes.

]]> 8ba9cfe59efbda5ec32818823af89e65 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/19/#post-13492 Wed, 10 May 2006 20:37:23 +1200 Are there any that say he was created. (Rev 3:14 have diff translations)? Plus in John 8:58 he says he is eternal. Also his name was the Eternal Father and even if it isn't ALL things were made thorugh himJohn 1:3, Col1

]]> 0f028f5904b9b44497eaa0f0c895654b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/was-it-a-cross-that-jesus-died-on/page/3/#post-13393 Mon, 08 May 2006 15:13:09 +1200 Jesus was crucified on a cross. An inscription was found in 42 Ad.

]]> fc1cf3d4406dafd2cc1ffb7acc4797b3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/19/#post-13392 Mon, 08 May 2006 15:02:51 +1200 The part about the ECF has no value at all because they misquoted and misrepresented every one of them. They also later on misquoted Ignatius

]]> af745f0a4fe1e6040ef23670836af968 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/looking-into-jehovah-witnesses/page/4/#post-21566 Mon, 08 May 2006 14:57:29 +1200 If Jesus was a spirit he would be deceiving thomas by manfested fake temporary bodies with nail holes in them. Plus Jesus promised to resurrect his own body in John 2:19

]]> 4d1799a3e6a36da53c50b2ec9098c864 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/three-days-and-three-nights/page/3/#post-12059 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:06:36 +1200 wednesday will not work and simple looking at the gospels will show this .Jesus repeatedley said he would rise THE THIRD DAY. http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htmEsther 4-5 will show that three days and three nights doesn't nescarily have to be 3 full twenty four hour days.

]]> 9958361dc548c3477b05eb46088d6d13 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/three-days-and-three-nights/page/2/#post-11925 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:21:27 +1300 Jesus wasn't in the grave three 24 hours periods!Luke 13 says he would reach his goal THE THIRD DAY. If he had stayed for 3 24 hr periods we would have been raised on The fourth. Wednesday crucifixion is too early just by looking at the gospel accounts.

]]> 66e46be4c5b3303105aafbf790b50f00 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/three-days-and-three-nights/#post-11920 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:09:19 +1300 Jesus did not die on wednesday. It should be obivious from reading the gosples. Luke 13:32 "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow ,and the third day I reach My goal."http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htmAlso150AD JUSTIN: But Sunday is the day on which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the…[Read more]

]]> 01c5e6df32bfee463980c11a6ccdbb05 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-holy-spirit-a-person/page/3/#post-38618 Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:07:10 +1300 Proverbs is clearly allegorical and we all know wisdom is not a person. The holy spirit is a person in many places in the bible and spoke audibly to real people in a historical setting. To say that wisdom or anything else personified disqualifies the holy spirit from being person is not logic.

]]> 076358e4c93e05fe2f8da04b15728c2a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-holy-spirit-a-person/page/2/#post-38604 Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:43:00 +1300 the spirit himself speaksActs 11:28 And rising up, one of them named Agabus, foretold by the Spirit…Acts 13:2 Now as they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work which I have called them.”

]]> 10f6f6c08f4c2f520f3fddb69133d5fe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-holy-spirit-a-person/#post-38591 Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:53:37 +1300 http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-holy-spirit.htmThe holy spirit is a person

]]> 65dc6f4c470923ac8a5f85b58837f53b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/96/#post-11727 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:33:03 +1300 The point im making is that Jesus is being called YHVH and so is the Holy spirit.

]]> f3b17b371b09e549c2756008ad2d86b5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/96/#post-11722 Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:00:40 +1300 Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.10 For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him shall not be put to…[Read more]

]]> 47d5bc34489ff7d66c986ac0042d4c9a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/94/#post-11663 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:07:06 +1300 my point was that in the past and still today some christians practice things that are pagan in origin but teachings like immortal soul, trinity were not borrowed from paganism.

]]> 317065e868198aaacf13f4afb1567773 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/94/#post-11661 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:48:03 +1300 sultan, just because you say it is so doesn't make it true. David, Jesus was crucified on a cross http://www.truthnet.org/Christianity/Apologetics/newtestament10?Also Immortal Soul was not borrowed from paganism but was taken from the bible. The Trinity has its foundations within scripture.You have given no proof of christinizing beliefs but only…[Read more]

]]> 1f87d09fdbe2f331455d79b09bb3f040 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/93/#post-11656 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:33:31 +1300 sultan, how many gods? ONE not three. they are the same God. Also similarity doesn't mean copying. They are many other similarites in pagan religions.

]]> aa938780724e19d15afb6367b436899b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/93/#post-11651 Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:43:30 +1300 Whether cross or stake jesus died for us but evidence destroys the myth that jesus was on a stake. Also the trinity is not three gods so what does pagans worshipping 3 gods (and tons more) have to do with anything.

]]> fad1efc40a6fe27a8aa97c388bfd4934 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/i-john-57/page/7/#post-19802 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:25:15 +1300 what do you mean by all three. I know of 1 john 5 and mt 28. Mt 28:19-20 is quoted in didache,ignatious,justin and so many other early christian writings and the evidence against it is sosmall. 1 john 5:7 though lake of manuscript evidence belongs to. it is qouted by cyprian and tertullian and gregory says without it there is a grammatcial error…[Read more]

]]> b0c12a3e8c4338790f00f773a5630a4e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/90/#post-11516 Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:58:47 +1300 to date i have yet to seen proof plato actually invented the trinity. Humans were only called gods in sarcasm.

]]> 8cfb825b4a7a0f7d0f1ceb9f562ad864 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/88/#post-11412 Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:28:24 +1300 jesus never said we were gods

]]> 400757b3c0b3f283419f8bfcd789c8d6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-men-ever-go-to-heaven/page/3/#post-26936 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:36:14 +1300 do men go to heaven yes. Also there is life after death. http://www.bible.ca/su-extinction-refuted.htm

]]> d86b6181e5e3912ee230831edb139df8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/85/#post-11354 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:31:20 +1300 The apostles worshippped? When. If someone tried to worship them they wouldnt allow it and would say worship only God.

]]> 741f5d6ae99607913146af68376b9b3c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-doctrine-development/page/6/#post-18514 Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:13:53 +1300 there are many false things on the internet so be careful in researching info

]]> d4cfa33dab395335c8a91b0c4e2a10d5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-michael/#post-28697 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:28:05 +1300 John 1:3 says nothing that was made was made without him. Hebrews 1 and 2 cleary present jesus as not being an angel

]]> d38f74371b4de6929143e16019a0ef71 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-jesus-is-god/page/7/#post-18685 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:49:32 +1300 When they asked was he the son of god what do you think they were asking him?

]]> 09a2806b3f60ab80e9ed285802dbe5c7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-jesus-is-god/page/7/#post-18682 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:23:42 +1300 Ignorant fools? Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and…[Read more]

]]> 90cf8cfecc472ab51d5abed1be7ed0d6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-jesus-is-god/page/6/#post-18680 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:10:22 +1300 He is the Son of God and God. At his trial his being the Son of God meant he was God

]]> d0c4faadd6e41a5e213c3781b80ed68b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-jesus-is-god/page/6/#post-18673 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:04:45 +1300 Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being,…He is the exact image not a lesser image

]]> 670247c51404f37b1712f22922eddf91 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/68/#post-10531 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:00:58 +1300 Jesus is not the literal wisdom of Proverbs 8 (Jeremiah 10:12) Wisdom means Wisdom that is God's knowledge.Neither Wisdom nor Jesus is created. Jesus himself declared he was eternal in John 8:58 that was the reason they tried to stone him

]]> 8207d653065f81f33575dd8fa26a3251 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/there-are-2-not-3/page/4/#post-10311 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:10:12 +1300 at his trial when they asked was he the son of god

]]> a98c1705a40c363967d47a43660a8e96 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/there-are-2-not-3/page/4/#post-10289 Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:20:11 +1300 Jesus answered them with an affirmative so he meant it to. Already told you Zech 14 plus Hebews 1:10 and Romans 10

]]> 5ef07440d7da35f5fd1957b9b9129f30 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/there-are-2-not-3/page/4/#post-10287 Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:05:59 +1300 God is threefold So the son can be the son of YHWH. The bible claims Jesus is YHWH so that make him automatically God.

]]> bd860b13fcd720b056ee249f69676983 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-god/page/12/#post-18946 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:04:47 +1300 God is neither duel or The Father Alone. John 20:28 2 cor 3:17

]]> 8445a3a859438c0fbbdc52d7350fb870 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/there-are-2-not-3/page/3/#post-9776 Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:01:10 +1300 Jesus is YHVH so he is referred to as God more than twice. see Zechariah 14

]]> f05dfb8275e4e6a7f53868335cb7eaa6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/65/#post-9584 Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:25:03 +1300 The word became flesh. But of course The Word was God. Everything was created through him. He is not a creation himself. Yeshuah was also Thomas' Paul's and Peter's God.

]]> 4c050bb0a49dda01897ebaff5620de09 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/65/#post-9557 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:13:32 +1300 Jesus is God in the flesh. He is eternal1 john 5:20, John 8:58

]]> f15dae2287b3c764677f8f0901cae11b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/65/#post-9520 Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:51:34 +1300 The bible says he prexisted so many times its not even sensible for people to deny it

]]> a35a8cc1a99e519707ee085cb8e5bf50 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/page/3/#post-9497 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:12:00 +1300 no one is disappering. “the Rapture” is something that happends at the second coming

]]> 486649d95831fe504ef3b11c48806805 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-observing-christmas-and-easter-ok/#post-21223 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:00:23 +1300 I go to church on easter. But I go about every week to. I still get christmass presents (not as much since I'm older). Santa is blashphemy– “He knows when you are sleeping” and he gives rewards for people who are good. Doesn't God do the same?

]]> 21317840f002d73ee01c41a159d5b758 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/greek-or-hebrew/page/3/#post-42019 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:54:16 +1300 To me it only makes since for Matthew to be originally written in hebrew. Possibly James or Jude but the rest of the books had to written in greek because of the audiences.

]]> cce03cb1f5a01d9cd0512333dd75eee8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/yahshua-jesus-or-both/#post-9240 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:00:05 +1300 Jesus is not The Zeus. When transliterating Yeshuah into greek it couldn't be done because There is no Shu or Ah in greek. So it became IESOUS. In latin I believe it is IESUS without the o. The letter J in english has its origins from the letter I.

]]> e6b3c17012ab88a9db200cb79c6f2b4e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jehovahs-witnesses/page/6/#post-19389 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:46:56 +1200 kingdom of heaven and of god is the same thing.

]]> ccf6635cd7fdbd81257c2ef3a208a937 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/exposing-the-king-james-bi-bel/page/9/#post-333021 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:45:43 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2005,22:50)Quote (liljon @ Sep. 12 2005,13:13)ditto for easter, everything else i don't believe is trueThank you liljon for showing you are openminded to search out truth for yourself. have you discovered any other falsities taught by the traditional churches?christ born on december 25once saved always sunday is sabbath

]]> 17dc5539538ba3226f5a4f65545e464a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/exposing-the-king-james-bi-bel/page/5/#post-332963 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:13:29 +1200 ditto for easter, everything else i don't believe is true

]]> 1bc98990b9066d9f084adfe3eca58003 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jehovahs-witnesses/page/4/#post-19348 Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:55:16 +1200 Quote (david @ Sep. 03 2005,20:53)OK, we'll go back into the heaven scriptures and we'll go over them with a little less speed.But before we do, Liljon, what do you think of these scriptures?  What place have they in your understanding?PROVERBS 2:21-22“For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones th…[Read more]

]]> cd220e021941625c597eb1c7a22ee96e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jehovahs-witnesses/page/3/#post-19341 Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:24:40 +1200 I believe their are very many flaws with their theology. 144,000 only are born againJesus is a created angelsoul sleepjesus ressurected a spirit

]]> 9d1e7964b1e4a3cb9ea9f1ae634c9799 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/25/#post-8381 Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:19:23 +1200 Jesus only became a son in a father-son relationship when he was born of a virgin. Jesus IS ETERNAL Col 1:16, John 1:3, John 8:58

]]> ab52697289b35607aed8f900d725c9d0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/25/#post-8373 Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:06:40 +1200 Isaiah 44:24 24 Thus says the Lord that redeems you, and who formed you from the womb: I am the Lord that performs all things; I stretched out the heaven alone, and established the earth.YHWH created the Universe alone. Jesus is not the Father but he is YHWH.Emtv beginning Niv first born overJesus himself is not a creation Col 1:16 says all things…[Read more]

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