Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,21:32)Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,16:29)You have said that Jesus is literally the firstborn (a ridiculous idea I think). Adam was the literal firstborn of all mankind.thinkerAdam was created not born, Gen.1:27.Jesus was literally born via the miraculous intervention of God, being the only one born of a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,19:29)Lightenup said:Quote If you think that a teaching exists in the Bible using the actual term “firstborn” as it applies to Ishmael and Isaac which ALSO says applies to Christ would you please present your scripture account?Let's first define the term “firstborn.” Ishmael was the firstborn literally but not…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ April 25 2009,11:36)Praise the Lord. I do not remember if I told you the good news, that our only Granddaughter Tiffany, is going to be Baptized tomorrow at 8:00 A.M. Service. She is 17 going on 21. We are so happy for Her. We have indeed been blessed. Thank you God.Peace and Love Irene:D Hi Irene,Rejoicing with you! I hope that…[Read more]

Kerwin,The new creature comes after the old creature. Each creature has a beginning; born once then born again.Firstborn of all creation…first to receive original life of all to receive original lifeFirstborn from the dead…first to receive the promised eternal life after death of all to receive the promised eternal life after death.LU

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2009,16:36)Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2009,02:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2009,16:40)Hi KW, I am pleased God is not as scrupulous as men.encarta.msn.com definition of  scrupulous using Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P)2009 Microsoft Corporation reads:Quote 1. having moral integrity: having or showing ca…[Read more]

To all,Here is where the term “firstborn” refers to the Son, twice. First He is the firstborn of all creation and secondly, He is the firstborn from the dead.Col 1:13-2013 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He is the image…[Read more]

Thinker,You wrote:Quote Kathi,I have no problem at all with your commentary on Jesus' birth and the miraculous conception. It is on the word “firstborn” that we sharply disagree. Jesus is indeed the firstborn “every creature.” The Greek is “pasa ktisis” and refers exclusively to mankind. Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to “every…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 26 2009,14:59)Thinker….I do believe GOD can not reproduce Himself, so he could not have begotten Jesus in the since of reproduction. As we know it to be. I believe GOD fills His creation With himself He indwells His creation , thats why we can know the hidden things of GOD by observing His creation. GOD himself is the life of…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,13:39)To All,I would like to offer another Scripture that says that Christ became the the begotten Son at His exaltation. It is stated in Hebrews 5:5-6,Quote So also Christ did not exalt Himself to be made a High priest, but was appointed by Him who said to Him,”You are My Son, TODAY I have begotten You”;as He…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,08:54)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,23:51)Quote (thethinker @ April 25 2009,19:53)Seeking said:Quote I regret that you find God's plan for reproduction to be “grotesque” and “repulsive.”  Do you believe the biblical account of the birth of Jesus? Would you concede that if, as the account spells out, Mary was…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 25 2009,19:53)Seeking said:Quote I regret that you find God's plan for reproduction to be “grotesque” and “repulsive.”  Do you believe the biblical account of the birth of Jesus? Would you concede that if, as the account spells out, Mary was impregnated by other than natural means, the birth was miraculous?Seeking,Where…[Read more]

Keith, To think that the beginning of John 1:1 has to be before the Light was called forth is a narrower opinion than I believe God had in mind. Consider this verse:Mark 10:6-7 6 “But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. NASUDo you continue to insist that the beginning couldn't have included day one and the formless and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2009,20:31)To All,Does anyone know what the various Greek words translated Son are?Hi Kerwin,There seems to be two different words:NT:5207 (377 times in the NT)ui(o/$ huios (hwee-os'); apparently a primary word; a “son” (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship:NT:5043 (used 99…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 25 2009,19:53)Seeking said:Quote I regret that you find God's plan for reproduction to be “grotesque” and “repulsive.”  Do you believe the biblical account of the birth of Jesus? Would you concede that if, as the account spells out, Mary was impregnated by other than natural means, the birth was miraculous?Seeking,Where…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2009,18:00)Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,09:22)Way to go Keith, a short post You said this:Quote When Jesus came in the flesh he became the “Image of the invisible God”. He said so himself in John 14 to Philip.Keith, where does it say that he “became” the image.  That seems to imply that He wasn't…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 25 2009,19:03)WJ said:Quote To have an image of Jesus as less than the Father is to create a false image of God and is giving less honor to the Father when Jesus said we should honor him “even as” we honor the Father, IMO. Truly our fellowship is with One God, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.WJ,I marvel that they do…[Read more]

I only have time for one question Thinker,Since when is reproduction repulsive? It is a miracle!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2009,16:24)Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,08:11)Lightenup said:Quote My belief is this:There is One GOD (the Father who always existed)There is One God (the Son of God is God by nature…GOD begat God)There are many gods…who by nature are no gods at all.Kathi,That part of your statement I have put in bold is…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 25 2009,13:33)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,10:25)Thinker,Not only are you mean spirited, but you misrepresent people, and you are arrogant.  You are very small in my mind right now.  Plus you are vulgar!!!  May the Lord spare you.The fruit of the Spirit is a greater sign of relationship to the one true God than is the ca…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2009,14:22)Quote (thethinker @ April 21 2009,13:31)Lightenup said:Quote I believe in a literal Son of God and you don't.  When I started seeing a literal Son of God who existed from before creation, I started to understand the message of the New Testament.  It changed my life 16 years ago.To All,Though I have a great l…[Read more]