Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 15 2010,07:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2010,14:12)Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 12 2010,06:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,19:16)Kathi, TheodorJ,As regarding the dead.In those times it was believed that once a person was dead in the body, the flesh, they were dead forever.The concept of the dead rising to an everlasting life…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 15 2010,03:44)Kathi, I read that somewhere today, about the change from Saturday to Sunday.  I think it was herehttp://www.bibleprobe.com/sundayworship.htmI think theres some parts about the Early Church Fathers somewhere there.Thanks Shimmer,That site has a lot of good quotes. What stood out to me was that Sunday was…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 14 2010,18:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2010,16:33)I had found basically the same thing written by Justin.  I hadn't found anything written by him that mentioned if he did something special on Saturday.  I know he mentioned worship being done as a body of believers on Sunday.Hi kathi.OK. Still looking. But first, s…[Read more]

Hi Karmarie,No problem…take your break by all means. The purpose of this topic is to see how early the worship gathering changed from the seventh day of the week to the first day and the thoughts behind it. I would also like to see if they continued to call the seventh day the 'sabbath day' even when worshiping on the first day of the week.…[Read more]

Hi Ted,Do you know who called it “Sunday” and who officially abolished the Holy days, and who declared Sunday the sabbath instead of Saturday? Thanks!

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2010,19:05)Paul said that after his time here that men would introduce false doctrines even from our own number.So I guess that even some early stuff could be wrong.We need to (as with any writing) compare that which is written to scripture and Christ's words.My take.God the Father, his son, and spirit are mentioned. But…[Read more]

Ok, great Karmarie…no hurry!

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 12 2010,06:39)Regarding the title of this thread,From what I remember the Early Church followed the Saterday Sabbath, but also had Sunday. One example;St. Justin MartyrThe First Apology Chapter 67. Weekly worship of the Christianshttp://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htmAnd we afterwards continually remind each other of…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,03:16)Kathi, TheodorJ,As regarding the dead.In those times it was believed that once a person was dead in the body, the flesh, they were dead forever.The concept of the dead rising to an everlasting life was inconceivable.Persons could be revived from the dead, but still died later.Was it Elijah who raised up the…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 12 2010,06:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,19:16)Kathi, TheodorJ,As regarding the dead.In those times it was believed that once a person was dead in the body, the flesh, they were dead forever.The concept of the dead rising to an everlasting life was inconceivable.Persons could be revived from the dead, but still died…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 11 2010,01:34)Kathi….. The Eternal said..in answer to Moses….”Iam that Iam”and that he is the same God that Abraham,Isaac and Jacob worshipped….They are dead,Iam reasonably sure they will be among the 144000 with an office commanding much authority in Gods kingdom/government here on earth…Hi Ted,I don't believe that…[Read more]

Shimmer,No problem…I am kinda busy myself. We just bought a new puppy for my Mom and I have a week to train her before I give my Mom her new puppy. So far so good

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 08 2010,12:03)Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 09 2010,01:28)For any and all born again spirit filled sons of God, lets hear what the spirit says of the Sabbath Day of the Lord.At the last supper Jesus said…..that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 08 2010,08:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2010,13:37)Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 07 2010,09:28)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2010,16:20)kathiwitch one,we have similar believes today ,why is it you want to go were there is no Godly believes but believes of men??all those so called fathers of the early church were apostates,they…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 08 2010,18:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2010,13:47)Pierre,What do you think the early trinity was?  Yes, I know what holy means.KathiChristians were persecuted, tortured, and killed, by the Romans, because, they would not worship, and sacrifice to the Emperor.In 312 AD, Constantine stopped the persecution of Christians.In 321…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 08 2010,15:34)http://www.biblestudytools.com/history/early-church-fathers/ante-nicene/vol-1-apostolic-with-justin-martyr-irenaeus/mathetes/epistle-of-mathetes-to-diognetus.htmlThe Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus Aprox 130 ADChapter VII.-The Manifestation of Christ. “For, as I said, this was no mere earthly invention which…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 07 2010,16:05)Kathi, If you want to search the early writtings IMO it's best to only stay with the EARLIEST writings, before they started changing their views.So that's volume one.http://www.biblestudytools.com/history….renaeusI'll see what I can find in some of those. I'll go through Barnabas and Clement which were the…[Read more]

Pierre,What do you think the early trinity was? Yes, I know what holy means.

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 07 2010,09:28)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2010,16:20)kathiwitch one,we have similar believes today ,why is it you want to go were there is no Godly believes but believes of men??all those so called fathers of the early church were apostates,they sold there faith for 30 coins.many of the true Christians were put to dead for…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 07 2010,07:59)Kathi, why do you put value how the fist Fathers worshiped?  We have the Bible to show us who we should or should not worship……. I think that you put  more value on those Fathers then the Bible, which is God's Word……Why???Almighty God is above all, and it is Him we all should Worship.Psa 82:1 ¶ ] God st…[Read more]