Mike,God is perfect and begets another who is perfect, so whatever perfect is in relation to God, then the Son is also. Neither one is more perfect than the other. You can't compare the strength of a human father and human son because God is perfect and not growing or evolving stronger.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,15:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,00:00)I believe He existed within the Father before He was begotten from the Father.Was he alive as the Son, the Word with the Father from eternity?WJKeith,I believe that His essence was eternally alive but He was not eternally begotten but He was begotten during…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2011,14:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,12:22)Mike,you said:Quote He is instead, like the others, a vice regent and servant OF his God.  Scripture bears this out.This is what I am talking about when I speak of those who push doctrines placing the only begotten God in the same pot as the others.  The only begotten G…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,15:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2011,22:38)Keith and Mark,Read this and see:Quote The terms “unbegotten” and “begotten” are interchangeable with the terms Father and Son. This follows from the relation of a substantive to its adjective. In whatever sense a substantive is employed, in the same sense must th…[Read more]

Mike,I am not doing what Keith is doing. I am not saying that Jesus is the one true God, I am saying that Jesus is the one true God from the one true God. There is a difference.I do believe that we have hashed out John 1:1 and come to the conclusion that the 'the' should have been included in part b and that the 'a' is unnecessary in part c.…[Read more]

Hi William,I agree that He was baptized in order to be an example…also to fulfill prophecy.Good thread Wispring!

Irene,Were you aware that Justin the Martyr who lived lived between 110-165 AD, that wrote of the Christians not keeping the weekly sabbaths or the feasts? That was a long time before Constantine was born. There are Justin Martyr's writings on the internet. He has a long discourse with a Jew and talks to him about this. It is very interesting…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2011,03:09)To all,Who was Adam's father?Who did Adam descend from?Kerwin,Adam did not have a natural father, one who he received a common nature from, he was the first man. He only had a Father as his creator whom we all have.KathiPS I hope you are getting stronger

Mike,you said:Quote He is instead, like the others, a vice regent and servant OF his God. Scripture bears this out.This is what I am talking about when I speak of those who push doctrines placing the only begotten God in the same pot as the others. The only begotten God is called an angel, He is called an apostle and many other things. Does…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2011,12:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2011,18:13)If the verse said:In the beginning was the word and the word was with the man and the word was man.Would you admit that putting an 'a' before the last 'man' is unnecessary?Hi Kathi,Yes, it is unnecessary to add the “a” the way YOU worded it.  On the other hand, adding…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 25 2011,11:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2011,03:18)Hi Jack,I see the word as “let there be light,” the first word from God spoken as recorded in the Bible as you probably remember. So we understand the 'word' differently.  We also differ on the idea of sonship.  I believe that He was the Son in the beginning like o…[Read more]

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Hi Jack,David's natural father was Jesse, Solomon's natural father was David. God wasn't their father by whom they received their nature from. The only way to have a 'firstborn' type of relationship with David or Solomon by God was by appointment, not by nature. The only begotten Son is firstborn by nature before the ages, the firstborn Son of…[Read more]

Keith and Mark,Read this and see:Quote The terms “unbegotten” and “begotten” are interchangeable with the terms Father and Son. This follows from the relation of a substantive to its adjective. In whatever sense a substantive is employed, in the same sense must the adjective formed from it be employed. Consequently, if the first person of the Tri…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,16:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2011,10:37)I don't think that the Father is ever without the Son but I think that the Son was not always being 'shone.'Hi KathiGod is eternal and infinite and his Glory has always been radiant because the scriptures tell us he changes not.Your above statement seems to imply…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,17:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2011,16:26)Am I scripturally wrong in saying that Jesus is the only begotten god and the Father is the only unbegotten God?MikeYep, because that would be “two true gods” with each other and we know there is “Only One True God” and none other beside him. That is the scriptural…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2011,16:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2011,09:46)Mike,John 1:18 says that Jesus is 'the' God, the begotten God to be specific and yes that would mean that He is not the unbegotten God, that would be His Father.  It uses the article 'the' not 'a.'Hi Kathi,So far in this thread, we have agreed that TWO gods are mentioned…[Read more]

Hi Jack,I see the word as “let there be light,” the first word from God spoken as recorded in the Bible as you probably remember. So we understand the 'word' differently. We also differ on the idea of sonship. I believe that He was the Son in the beginning like orthodox Christianity…a true son, not something that became a Son.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,19:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,22:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,23:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,22:18)Saying that 'John was man' speaks more to his nature than 'John was a man' although both could mean the same thing.  That is what I perceive anyway.But either way, adding the “a” wouldn't add…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2011,21:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,17:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2011,17:11)Ok Keith, I thought that is what was meant.  So the 'everything' pertains to nature only, right?KathiHi KathiNature, qualities, attributes, being, essence, substance, Yes.The essence of God (or that which distinguishes God from…[Read more]