Mike,Quote Okay, first let's deal with the “almighty” business once and for all. Christ is NEVER called “almighty” anywhere in scripture, so for you to just claim this without any scriptural support makes your claim unworthy of a response from anyone discussing the actual SCRIPTURES. But because you are my friend, I will remind you of a couple…[Read more]

Mike,To be begotten as an offspring is one who was within the parent before the begetting.  His begetting was a beginning of sorts for the Son as a separate person.  When I begat/gave birth to my son, that is when he began his life as his own person, distinct from me, although he existed as my son already.Kathi

Jack and Keith read the scripture again:NLT Heb 5:5That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”…but Christ did not take this high and honourable office to himself, nor the glory of it; indeed, he did not receive it…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2011,04:41)Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2011,15:12)JA would like to say; “John 1:1 says,'In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God'.Since we know that Jesus 'was' the Word AND John mentions neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit, please can you show how it came about that the Father is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:09)And this is not all, but there is another remark to make: that if you say, “Because it is said ‘One God,’ therefore the word God doth not apply to the Son;” observe that the same holds of the Son also. For the Son also is called “One Lord,” yet we do not maintain th…[Read more]

Jack,If eternal generation means that He, as an eternally existing offspring from within the Father was begotten/born to the position of along side the Father during eternity before the ages then I can accept that. If it means that He was eternally begotten meaning there was never a time when He was not begotten, then I agree, that doesn't make…[Read more]

Keith,I edited my last post while you posted to help bring some understanding…just wanted to let you know.

Keith,I found what I was looking for regarding how each are referred as God yet there is one God. quote: Ver. 5. “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there are gods many and lords many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we unto Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through Whom a…[Read more]

Keith,My son didn't become my son at the time he was begotten…he already was my son before he was begotten.  The Son of God was the Son before He was begotten…He always existed as the Son but didn't always exist before the ages as the begotten Son.  He wasn't begotten till “Let there be light.” That is my understanding.KathiI am editing this t…[Read more]

Hi Jack,Are you aware that I do not say “before He was begotten He was not” also?Correct me if I am wrong but you believe that:The Second Person was the Word within the mind of the First Person and became a Second Person.or,The Word is actually a person within the mind of the First Person, though a different person than the First Person.orThe Word…[Read more]

Mike,Quote So, from one word “theos”, and a scripture that clearly lists Jesus as a lessor god that was begotten and that people CAN see, you find some kind of “equality” between Jesus and his God? “Lessor” is not at all clearly listed in John 1:18. Is your son lessor human than you because he was begotten. The Father is greater by the fact…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 29 2011,12:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,09:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:55)Keith,Also, Jack believes that the Son had a beginning because there was a time when He was not the Son.  I think he believes that the Word didn't have a beginning, but as the Son, the Son had a beginning.  From what I c…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,12:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,19:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,17:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:49)You take that true relationship away and you have not a literal son but a figurative son.  I believe the true relationship of Father/Son is monumental and a central teaching of the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,13:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:08)Keith,Do you think that God, the unbegotten is the same one as God, the begotten?  If not, then you have two.  The oneness is in their essence and how they act as one mind.Hi KathiThat is not at all what your source is saying is it?The Father, Son and Holy Spirit a…[Read more]

Hi Karamarie,It is clear that JA misunderstood what I said and is interested in debating the matter. Presently I have too much going on with the members here to take him on also. Please understand. I answered his questions but I am not interested in debating him at this time. Maybe someone else is interested.Thanks,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2011,21:37)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,11:23)God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little god” that we serve and bow down too that we call our god but he is not the “True god” because we only…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 29 2011,11:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2011,08:55)Keith,Also, Jack believes that the Son had a beginning because there was a time when He was not the Son.  I think he believes that the Word didn't have a beginning, but as the Son, the Son had a beginning.  From what I can tell anyway.  You do have different Je…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,10:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,18:20)Yes Keith, I disagree with that.  It was the power that is linked to the resurrection, not the Sonship.Also, I disagree…and so do other church fathers, btw, about those who believe that the Son did not become the Son till after creation, so do the main Christian…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Do you believe that the sonship is just an 'office' given to the 'Word?' Or do you believe it is a relationship that the Father/Son have before the ages. If the 'Word' being a Son is just an office then it would seem that the 'first person of the trinity' is only holding an office as Father and not a literal Father in regards to the…[Read more]

Hi Mike,(This post is in reference to Mike's last post here.)Quote Why?  Do you have the Greek mss of those writings?  Would we be able to see when they say “Jesus is god” that it wasn't a case where the indefinite article should be added?  If not, then why bother?  Because we would only be reading Trinitarian ENGLISH translators words.  What woul…[Read more]