Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,00:13)Here is one:Quote Theophilus to Autolycus Book IIhttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-42.htm#P1669_480398You will say, then, to me: “You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He walked in Paradise? “Hear what I say. The God and Father, indeed, of all cannot be…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,10:44)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2011,12:14)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 01 2011,16:37)Kathi said:Quote I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He…[Read more]

I would really like to know who said that 'only Keith has answered honestly' and why they said that.  C'mon fess up!  Back that vote up with some reason or admit that you weren't truthful or misunderstood or something, I know we all can make a mistake.Kathi

Hi Keith,I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I. I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible. Mike just missed that, I guess. It is not hard to miss a post when there are so many of them. I hope he can put this behind…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,22:40)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:47)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,10:40)Dennison,Quote I also believe that Jesus is refferred to as the outstretched arm thingy. Great!Quote 1. Species?  Define that. Well, a species is a type of kind.  Like a human species…eneryone is human in the human species.  …[Read more]

Mike,I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on.Kathi

I think that is a good idea t8. The person reporting the other should have to provide proof that another has been asked a question a few times and then pm'd to make sure they have seen the question before making the report with a personal heads up about reporting them if not addressed. Then the person who receives the pm needs to pm the first…[Read more]

Mike,You seem to agree that He has the true deity nature and that we see in John 1:1 and Heb 1. Deity nature is self-existing and not derived from another. To have deity nature is the same as to be self-exiting. Deity nature is self-existing or it isn't deity nature. I don't know of a verse that spells that out for us. I think that is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,23:12)Hey All,Back to the subject of the thread:Who is “THE GOD” that the Word was WITH in 1:1b?  mikeThe Father. The Begetter of the Word.Kathi

Another thought Dennison,You are a son and one day, you may become a father also, and then much later you may become a grandfather too. When you are a grandfather and you go to live with your grandchildren, one person (you as the grandfather) will be living with them, not three persons of you. You will not show up at their doorstep and say that…[Read more]

Ok Dennison-son, just for you…You said:Quote Oh I believe that but thats not what you stated earlier. You stated that they are of the same species, but different beings who are in agreement with one another. So what you just said kindof contradicts the rest. In other words, the verse provides a distinct truth that No other God, nor same species…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:47)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,10:40)Dennison,Quote I also believe that Jesus is refferred to as the outstretched arm thingy. Great!Quote 1. Species?  Define that. Well, a species is a type of kind.  Like a human species…eneryone is human in the human species.  A canine species, all animals in the ca…[Read more]

Mike,I have been trying to tell you, it only takes a few verses and the understanding of those verses.John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The Word WAS a person with the God who also has divine nature…to be God/deity/divine nature would mean He was eternal. That has to be. Anyone NOT eternal…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,20:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2011,09:35)KathiIt would be nice if you believed what the Forefathers understood “begotten” means. And it does not mean he had a beginning of any kind.The what exactly does “God FROM God” mean?mikeMike,Similar to what the word from God is…something that was within and…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 01 2011,16:37)Kathi said:Quote I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages.This is weird man! This is the kind of nonsense that is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2010,03:50)Quote “There was; then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; asalso the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equalityof substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreate.” These early church fathers often speak of the logos as an attribute ofGod and also as the Word himself, Christ.So it…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2011,13:49)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,12:47)Keith,I knew it wouldn't be lomg before I had to repost this to you…I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2011,17:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,21:21)I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages. For me there is one God, the Father…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:55)Kathi,I would also like to add this scripture so that you can consider it when you answer my questions:Isaiah 43:10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there…[Read more]

Keith,I knew it wouldn't be lomg before I had to repost this to you…I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit. However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages. Now, I think that I should just copy this and…[Read more]