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k4c replied to the topic I John 5:7 in the forum Truth or Tradition

Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:52:52 +1300

Quote (epistemaniac @ July 05 2005,17:29)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2005,10:11)Hi E, The God that was with God is not that God he was with.Now please also can you be consistent. You say the Word was fully God so you say there are two deities. So are there two deities in one God now or two Gods? I thought you say they are two persons in one God…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:11:26 +1300

There is coming a time when Jesus returns with all His angelic host. Matthew 25:31-32 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:31:56 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,20:58)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 13 2005,20:43)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 13 2005,20:14)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,15:01)Hi k4c,So strange that Michael appears by name so infrequently in the bible but some see him everywhere.Good point.Mark 4:11-12 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:43:00 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 13 2005,20:14)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,15:01)Hi k4c,So strange that Michael appears by name so infrequently in the bible but some see him everywhere.Good point.Mark 4:11-12 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:58:04 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,19:21)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 13 2005,14:41)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,11:13)Hi k4c, So the Word or Logos, the thoughts and words and will of God, were WITH God. You say then that Jesus had his own thoughts and words and will as well as the Father still having His own thoughts and words and will. Does that not…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:10:24 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 13 2005,16:42)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 13 2005,04:53)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 13 2005,02:34)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 12 2005,19:31)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,19:16)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 12 2005,14:04)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,14:51)K4C,I'm still waiting for my scripture that says Jesus is Michael. I hope you're not waiting for a new bible…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:41:41 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,11:13)Hi k4c, So the Word or Logos, the thoughts and words and will of God, were WITH God. You say then that Jesus had his own thoughts and words and will as well as the Father still having His own thoughts and words and will. Does that not sound a little strange to you? Does God still have His own thoughts and…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:02:38 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,02:06)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 13 2005,00:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,00:40)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 13 2005,00:26)Quote (Bastian @ Dec. 12 2005,20:55)Hi Nick and All,In Daniel Michael is one of the chief princes. That means that there are others like him, he is not unique. He is the prince over Israel that is what…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:53:30 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 13 2005,02:34)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 12 2005,19:31)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,19:16)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 12 2005,14:04)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,14:51)K4C,I'm still waiting for my scripture that says Jesus is Michael. I hope you're not waiting for a new bible translation to come out with the verse in it (joke).Do you believe…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:07:59 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2005,00:40)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 13 2005,00:26)Quote (Bastian @ Dec. 12 2005,20:55)Hi Nick and All,In Daniel Michael is one of the chief princes. That means that there are others like him, he is not unique. He is the prince over Israel that is what sets him apart. He contended with the devil over the body of Moses. I find…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:57:00 +1300

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:45:28 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2005,19:30)Do you believe Jesus preexisted?If so, how?Hi k4c, What do you mean?Do you mean that existence only begins at physical birth?If so you say God does not exist.I don't think my question was too hard. Maybe if I ask it slower.Do you believe Jesus preexisted?

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:31:16 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,19:16)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 12 2005,14:04)Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,14:51)K4C,I'm still waiting for my scripture that says Jesus is Michael. I hope you're not waiting for a new bible translation to come out with the verse in it (joke).Do you believe Jesus preexisted?If so, how?I'm still waiting for my scripture. If what…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:26:07 +1300

Quote (Bastian @ Dec. 12 2005,20:55)Hi Nick and All,In Daniel Michael is one of the chief princes. That means that there are others like him, he is not unique. He is the prince over Israel that is what sets him apart. He contended with the devil over the body of Moses. I find it odd when Michael became a flesh being made a little lower then the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:04:58 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,14:51)K4C,I'm still waiting for my scripture that says Jesus is Michael. I hope you're not waiting for a new bible translation to come out with the verse in it (joke).Do you believe Jesus preexisted?If so, how?

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:02:06 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2005,17:37)Hi k4c, We often hear in these forums your plaintive cry that “if you were of God you would accept what I say”. Everyone thinks they are right.We have weighed your words and found them of man, not God. You are speaking with the voice of a strangerYou have gone beyond the teaching of ChristYour teachings do…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:57:53 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 12 2005,02:30)Quote (k4c @ Dec. 11 2005,13:31)Don't say His name is Jesus because the name Jesus was given to Him by His earthy family.Matthew 1:20-21 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife,…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:05:15 +1300

A big part of salvation is the the setting free by way of truth. John 8:32 “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'' Has God reveals truth He is watching for the acceptance of it by the person. If there is true repentance in a person God will reveal more truth to the person. This is how God draws His people out of the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:12:33 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 11 2005,19:12)Hi k4c, The angel of the Lord is only identified as “the angel of the Lord”To go beyond this is to enter the fascinating but useless world of speculation.This is where you fall short…I'll give you another clue.Judges 13:18 And the Angel of the Lord said to him, “Why do you ask My name, seeing it is…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:31:55 +1300

Don't say His name is Jesus because the name Jesus was given to Him by His earthy family.Matthew 1:20-21 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. “And she…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:27:40 +1300

Before anyone can learn the truth about Michael they truly need to have a desire to know the truth. This desire has to be so powerful that you would be willing to lose all fellowship with those who reject this truth because they will disown you. You will have to be willing to let go of all that you have been taught to receive from God. If this is…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:19:06 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2005,21:05)Hi k4c,It staggers ma how JWs continue to state with conviction but no evidence that One being the Son of God is another, the angel Michael. Men will fantasise and propound nonsense forever.I'm not a JW…I believe Michael is Jesus not because someone told me but rather because of hours upon hours of study…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:41:05 +1300

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 10 2005,15:10)k4c,If your name is Jimmy or JANE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE you are who you are. If the son of God were Michael it wouldn't matter to me He's still the Son of God who gave Himself for me. I don't like any insinuating remarks that I don't care or love Jesus. The fact is you are in love with a name. I'm in lov…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:33:37 +1300

Quote (Ramblinrose @ Dec. 10 2005,07:54)The following article may be helpful for this topic.IS JESUS AN ARCHANGEL?BlessingsHi Ramblinrose,I'm friends with Juan and had once believe much of what he believes but God would not let me stay in my belief. He has poked and pried me into looking more closely at my faith in what I was believing. The…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:58:34 +1300

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 10 2005,04:41)Hi K4c,I'm wide opened to the Word. Please give scripture. What advantage do we have if Michael is Jesus. What does that change.For me other than more truth I don't see how that changes anything. If Michael were Jesus then the Word was named Michael. Michael became flesh and was crucified for our sins. Our…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:47:46 +1300

Quote (Sultan @ Dec. 09 2005,13:33)Jesus was Michael. That is ridiculous. You take one verse out of Daniel and build a whole doctrine around it, because someone told you it was true. Please mean read the Bible, and leave those little books alone. The scripture says without the Word nothing was made that was made. If this is true then to say the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:58:57 +1300

Quote (SearchingForTheTruth @ April 13 2003,01:34)Hello,T8 I enjoy the discussion group and for bringing some questions into light concerning the trinity. Ramblinrose, I also appreciate your posts for you have also done a very thorough study. I have to say that I am in agreement that there is one GOD, the father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. …[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Looking into Jehovah Witnesses? in the forum Truth or Tradition

Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:19:23 +1300

I believe there is a literal kingdom coming where there will be no more wars, death, pain or sorrow. It will be a time when all weapons will be made into farming tools becasue there will be no need for them in this coming kingdom of peace and blessing in God's presence. I don't believe that time has come yet. Jesus says that until that time comes…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Looking into Jehovah Witnesses? in the forum Truth or Tradition

Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:30:57 +1300

How would they respond if they learned that I was in politics, military, law enforcment or security?Could someone be a member of the JW's is they were part of one of the above?

k4c replied to the topic Use of force and self defense... in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:12:14 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2005,18:49)Hi, Surely once we are established in Christ then our life is in God's hands. Our path each day is planned by him and every challenge is for the good of the kingdom. Angels guide and protect us and all things work together for good. What is there to fear?”Anyone who wants to save his own life will lose it…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Use of force and self defense... in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:08:56 +1300

Quote (Woutlaw @ Nov. 26 2005,17:45)“Anyone who wants to save his own life will lose it and anyone who loses his life for my sake will save it” now look at the end of this passage. Notice Jesus says anyone who loses his life for MY sake will save it. Now 11 of the apostle's and many of our first century bretheren sealed their faith with their…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Use of force and self defense... in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:02:10 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2005,05:26)Hi Mr Bob, Perhaps so he could teach about those who live by the sword dying by the sword?The context in which the statement was made, “Live by the sword die by the sword' was not said because self-defense is wrong. It was said in the context of Jesus having to die on the cross. His mission was not to die in…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Use of force and self defense... in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:27:26 +1300

Quote (Casiphus @ Nov. 25 2005,03:49)Of course, you could also phrase it: because the verse doesn't mention rape and murder, does not mean it doesn't apply to those situations.In my experience if something truly applies to one area, it applies to many. Here is another example :Quote Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Is it wrong for a Christian to drink alcohol... in the forum Faith

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:05:34 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2005,00:48)Exactly k4c. Let's stick to what is revealed.Is it plainly revealed that Jesus made 120 gallons of an alcoholic beverage for His friends and family?Can you show me where it's clearly revealed that Jesus drank fermented wine?Do we believe those who accused Jesus of many false things and count that as revealed…

k4c replied to the topic Michael nor Jesus in the forum Truth or Tradition

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:39:53 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2005,23:43)Hi k4c, I believe Michael is a son of God but where is it written that you can state so definitely that he is?Where does it say Michael is the angel of Jesus?2Peter 1.19″So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Is it wrong for a Christian to drink alcohol... in the forum Faith

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:21:43 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2005,00:12)Hi , If scripture says what you claim we can agree. The rest is speculation surely?Is it sin to make wine or to drink to excess?Romans 14:13 Then let us no more pass judgment on one another, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

k4c replied to the topic Is it wrong for a Christian to drink alcohol... in the forum Faith

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:03:30 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2005,23:54)Hi k4c, Jesus was not a Nazirite. Speculations as to what he should or might have done do not add information to what scripture says about him. It is very difficult to stop grape juice fermenting in hot climates and those who wanted to do so would have to squeeze the grapes immediately prior to drinking it.…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Michael nor Jesus in the forum Truth or Tradition

Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:15:36 +1300

Angels are called morning stars and sons of God.Job 38:5-7 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Isaiah tells us that a child shall be born (Jesus) and a…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Is it wrong for a Christian to drink alcohol... in the forum Faith

Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:54:17 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2005,16:14)Hi, Jesus made wine out of water and drank wine right until the last supper and in fact was labelled “a winebibber”Paul told Timothy to “take a little wine”Legalistic men proscribe such things. God does not.The word (wine) in the Bible is used for fermented grape juice as well as unfermented.We know the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:50:18 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2005,21:21)Hi k4c, Are you saying that reading the bible is the way of salvation, that it causes us to become clean and to be born again? That is a new gospel.The Scriptures testify of Jesus so that we can come to Him.John 5:39-40 “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:29:55 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2005,13:24)Hi k4c, You are teaching beyond scriptural revelation here in my opinion. How did Jesus reveal the power and nature of the Father to the world? Did he always do this from birth? No. He was baptised in water and the Spirit of God. The fullness of deity dwelled in him as that Spirit.Acts 10.38″you know of…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:27:22 +1300

The Spirit of God can come into a repented person many different ways. Even though the Spirit can come into a person many different ways, God has given us an understanding of His works of salvation through all the examples and cerimonies throughout the Scriptures. These outward works have their place in spiritual growth but they are pictures of…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:41:12 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2005,03:05)Hi k4c, Good stuff. The proof that baptism in water is insufficient by itself is the example of the magician Simon in Acts 813″ Even Simon himself believed ;and after being baptised, he continued on with Philip, as he observed signs and great miracles taking place he was constantly amazed”Yet Peter said to…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Truth vs Love in the forum Scriptural Teachings

Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:26:13 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2005,02:55)Hi k4c, Thank you for the clear and simple exposition.We still must be born again. We must enter the fold of the sheep through the gate and not some other way. The problem is that we “cannot see the kingdom” unless we are born again so we could be sincerely casting about in the dark and, as with the Jews who…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:55:48 +1300

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2005,00:10)Hi guys, This has been an interesting discussion and I can see both sides to what is being said here, although I recognise that you also agree with each in many ways too. I will approach this subject with an open mind and a heart that is willing to learn.Indeed if we are cups, then in our own effort we can only clean…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:12:33 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2005,15:28)Hi k4c, Point taken.Thank you.But the entry through the gate is comparatively easy compared with what suffering the Lamb submitted to on our behalf-except for man's pride. And the yoke which is placed on us is easy and the burden light, compared with the yoke and burden he bore.Amen to that…

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:36:27 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2005,03:21)Hi k4c, Jesus said “follow me”If he had not made the way so easy then that would mean scourging and crucifixion for all of us.I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I think your saying the way is easy. Jesus never promissed an easy way. He said the way is narrow and few find it. He says we will suffer as…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:47:58 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2005,21:40)Hi, The seed must fall to the ground and die. We die in water baptism. Rom 6.3″ Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptised into Christ Jesus have been baptised into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death..”Then we are watered with the word. We cannot not…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation?

Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:59:21 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2005,18:05)Hi k4c, Repentance alone is not enough. Faith alone is not enough. But both are essential. But we have to come to the gate of the sheep and go through that gate. We must die and be buried in his him though baptism in his name. Efforts at self redemption are pointless.”Unless a grain of wheat falls to the…[Read more]

k4c replied to the topic Jesus, Michael? in the forum Truth or Tradition

Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:53:47 +1300

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2005,08:43)Hi david, By calling the Son of God an angel you denigrate him.Try Hebrews 1.3f”..he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High, having become as MUCH BETTER THAN THE ANGELS, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they””And let all the angels of God worship him””but to which of the angels has…[Read more]