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jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 08 Oct 2013 04:06:02 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2013,10:38)Okay jb,I had the time to check out the other scriptures you listed. We can eliminate Luke 11:50 and Hebrews 4:3, since they talk about events SINCE the foundation of the world, and not BEFORE the foundation of the world.John 17:5, 2 Timothy 1:9, and Ephesians 1:4 all have the Greek word “pro”, which means…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:58:54 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,11:38)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,09:47)The glory that Jesus had existed WITH GOD. Now, I am not “just saying that.” I get my understanding from the fact that Jesus NEVER says “give me BACK the glory..”. Would it not make more sense for Him to say that, IF He in fact DID HAVE it in the beginning Himself? PLEASE…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:26:56 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:36)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,08:31)Here is your FIRST mistake!!Yes “running” is present tense, BUT “saw”, which is THE VERB is in past tense!!Far from being my “mistake”, it is EXACTLY what I'VE been trying to show YOU all this time! “Existing” is present tense, BUT “did not consider”, “grasped”, “emptied”,…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:25:06 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:15)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,07:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:39)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now? YES or NO?No!!Does Elijah exist in heaven right now? YES or NO?YES..I believe so.So then if Elijah right now exists in h…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:23:44 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:11)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,07:51)Taking on the form of a slave..AS OPPOSED TO..”being equal with God”!!So in your mind, it doesn't make more sense that “morphe of God” is in contrast to “morphe of slave” – seeing that the same exact word is used in contrast?Interesting.and yet..you still have not explained…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:47:31 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,10:26)Are you sure? What do the words “I had” usually mean? If the BEING Jesus Christ is talking about “the glory I HAD”, then it's logical that the BEING Jesus Christ is talking about a glory that the BEING Jesus Christ actually HAD at some point in the past.(BTW, the actual tense is “I was having”, not “I h…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:31:37 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,10:04)You will be persuaded by proof, huh? Okay. First of all, I'm not trying to get you to CHANGE the word “existing” to “existed”. The word doesn't need to be CHANGED to “existed” in order to realize that the statement as a whole conveys a PAST occurrence, and “was existing” is implied from the rest of the st…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:10:24 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:55)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:58)John 6:46 (NIV)46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. I could go on..this is one verse where it seems ALL the translations agree..they ALL say that no man has seen God EXCEPT Jesus!!Okay…… honest mistake. You are h…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:59:53 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:42)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:47)He was made a man..not “in the likeness of man.”So although existing (present tense word conveying a past tense occurrence) in the form of a man, he hadn't yet been made in the LIKENESS of a man?He was not “in the form of man.” While being a man..God had not yet made Him with…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:52:21 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:39)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now? YES or NO?No!!Does Elijah exist in heaven right now? YES or NO?YES..I believe so.

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:51:37 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:38)Taking on the form of a slave AS OPPOSED TO what, jb? The word “CONTRAST” conveys something AS OPPOSED TO something else. So since you agree that Paul was making a CONTRAST between “form of God” and “form of a slave”, you must then agree that Jesus took on the form of a slave AS OPPOSED TO the form of G…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:41:04 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:27)So even though Superman is just a made up comic book figure, the analogy still works. If, while existing in the form of Superman, he emptied himself and took on the form of a regular old human being, he stopped being “Superman”, because there was no longer anything “super” about him.So I can honestly say:…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:59:21 +1300

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,04:22)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:13)Okay. Now tell me if there is a difference in MEANING between the following two statements:1. Obama, although he was existing as the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.S. citizenship.2. Obama, although existing…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:06:19 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:56)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,14:04)Paul either said “existing” or “was existing”. He did not say both.If Marty and Kerwin “acknowledged that” Paul states Jesus WAS existing in the form of God..then they are wrong, too.John 14:9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a l…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:58:24 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:45)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,13:59)It says no man has seen God EXCEPT Jesus!!No it doesn't. Jesus, as a man, said he HAD seen God. Yet we know from many scriptures that no man has EVER seen God.That means Jesus didn't see God while he was a man.Yes it does!!John 6:46 (KJV)Not that any man hath seen the F…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:47:52 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:42)So Paul was telling us that in order for Jesus to begin his ministry, he emptied himself, took on the form of a slave, and was made in the likeness of a human being?In what likeness did he exist prior to beginning his ministry?Did you not read my post?He was made a man..not “in the likeness of man.”You see,…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:43:07 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now? YES or NO?No!!But..he still exists!! Therefor, when he comes back, it will not be a preexistent being..it will be the EXISTENT being..Elijah!!

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:41:24 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:38)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,13:34)This is the problem. You do not even recognize that Jesus at all points was still in the “form of God.”The problem is that you don't recognize Paul was making a huge CONTRAST between the form of God and the form of a slave in this case.OF COURSE I do!! Paul made it clear.…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:36:08 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:19)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,13:01)It doesn't say directly what He emptied Himself of, BUT we know it was in order to take on the role of a servant.And do you agree with t8's logical point that the most likely thing he emptied himself of is the thing immediately aforementioned?For example: Clark Kent,…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:29:55 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:13)Okay. Now tell me if there is a difference in MEANING between the following two statements:1. Obama, although he was existing as the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.S. citizenship.2. Obama, although existing as the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:43:29 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,11:03)Also from another thread:Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,14:22)Ok., Mike, I am wrong and you are right…………Now if everybody would just post these words the second they realize they are disagreeing with ME – things would go a lot more smoothly around here! (Just kidding, of…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:31:33 +1200

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2013,09:02)Further he humbled himself. That is the opposite of exalted.If it said he exalted himself, then we would assume that he started at a lower position, but for some reason, when it says that he humbled himself, it now suddenly doesn't infer that he started in a higher position.But I will argue for JB2U for a sec and say…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:14:33 +1200

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2013,08:54)But a being has a form and may also be an image of something.If HE existed in the form of God, then HE alone signifies existence and form means form/nature/external appearance according to the concordance I checked out at least. Does it matter if it didn't say being at all, because he existed in a form or certain…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:04:11 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:55)From another thread:Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2013,19:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,15:17)So you realize that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense form of the rest of the statement, right?We agree that all the things Paul mentioned in verses 6-11 had already happened in the past, despite…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:59:49 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:36)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:26)This is my point Mike. You can not just take a verse and say..”see, it says this so that is it.” You have to look at the context of the verse.Okay. But now address the fact that no man has ever seen God at any time, yet Jesus said that he had seen God.He couldn't have seen…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:44:35 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:34)The teaching in Phil 2 is that we also be willing to sacrifice the good life we have to do God's will by helping others.Jesus was living high on the hog, but emptied himself and began a much lower existence as a servant to others. THIS is the mind we are also to have in us.This “point” of yours needs no…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:39:30 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:22)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:32)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,09:34)I do not believe that Elijah ever at any point stopped existing as Elijah. So, it will not be a preexistent being..It will be Elijah, just as he always was!!So when Elijah again comes to the earth, will he…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:34:18 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:16)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:18) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I'll put it a different way: In what form WAS Jesus existing when he didn't (past tense) consider equality with God something to be grasped?He was “in the form of God.” Do you see how the word “was”, that we BOTH used, applies? Do you see how that wo…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:23:54 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,05:56)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:10)Well, I'd say forever, everlasting, permanent..ALL mean eternity.I agree that all those things also mean “eternity”. What I'm trying to show you is that “owlam” never in scripture means any of them.English translators often render “owlam” as “everlasting” or whatever, but…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:01:28 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,05:49)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:00)What he “emptied himself of” was His OWN desires, His OWN will, His OWN thoughts, etc.Where in Phil 2 can we read that, jb?Where does it say that Jesus was filled with desires of his own, but emptied himself?It doesn't say directly what He emptied Himself of, BUT we know it…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:56:15 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,05:48)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,11:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,03:28)Obama, although he was the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.S. citizenship.Now please DIRECTLY answer this very simple question:Does the fact that Obama WAS President WHEN he came under scrutiny say ANYTHING AT…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:50:25 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,05:44)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,11:56)AND THEN WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MAN (this one threw me……..I appreciate your openness and honesty in this post. But your own words say it all, jb. You have admitted that the words “and was made in the likeness of a human being” simply don't fit into your u…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:26:04 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,05:08)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,09:53)It is not in John 1:18It is in John 6:46Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.Actually, it is a combination of them both, jb.If 1:18 says no man has seen God AT ANY TIME, and Jehovah Himself told Moses that no man can see Him…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:18:26 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:38)jb,Was Jesus existing in the form of God when he didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped? YES or NO?This is a flawed question..Jesus NEVER grasped at being equal with God; so, to ask if Jesus was existing in the form of God before not doing something that He never did just does not make…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:13:19 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:32)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,09:34)I do not believe that Elijah ever at any point stopped existing as Elijah. So, it will not be a preexistent being..It will be Elijah, just as he always was!!So when Elijah again comes to the earth, will he have pre-existed this second earthly appearance? YES or…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:12:30 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:28)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,09:34)Again, since he IS Elijah..he will come in his own spirit..NOT the spirit OF himself!!Doesn't “his own” mean the same thing as “of himself”?I would say there is a difference between..Elijah returning to earth..and John the baptist coming in the spirit of Elijah.

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:10:35 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:16)Re-read MY post. The Hebrew word “owlam” NEVER means “from eternity”. In some cases, like Ps 90:2, we can imagine it means “from eternity”, because we all accept that Jehovah is indeed “from eternity”.But like I said, read the NWT when in doubt:Psalm 90:2 NWTBefore the mountains themselves were born, Or y…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:06:04 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:01)Which carries more weight? One who continually SAYS he would admit it when he is wrong? Or one whose track record SHOWS that he has admitted when he was wrong?You haven't been here that long, jb……… but both me and t8 have many times adjusted our understanding of scriptures because of something we've b…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:00:05 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,03:43)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2013,05:42)Chronologically speaking to say that he emptied himself right after he existed in the form of God, is one way to get that concept across. I mean it strongly suggests that he emptied himself of what was just mentioned, otherwise if emptying yourself stands alone, (no particular…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:58:15 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,03:28)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,09:06)Your belief is..John WAS rich (but gave up his riches and became poor)but made himself of no reputation, working beside the poor.This is where you're slipping, jb.If I say, “John, although he was rich, worked with the poor”, the word “was” does NOT speak one way or the other…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:56:08 +1200

Here is something that came to me as I was contemplating Phil 2 and trying to figure out exactly what Paul meant by “likeness of man.”We know that Paul believe that Jesus was very man. So, why would he say Jesus was “made in the LIKENESS of man”? This really was bothering me. Why not, Jesus was made a man?Well, it came to me. You can reject this…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:20:05 +1200

Phil 2 is indeed a “difficult” text. I can not easily say why Paul wrote the way that he did. I can say that he NEVER says Jesus was “changed” into a man. You can, too, if you are honest.I can say there are a lot of difficult text in the Bible.So, when addressing the Philippians about how THEY should think, we are to believe that Paul has now…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:53:01 +1200

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2013,23:15)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,23:44)1) It says “no man” has seen God “except” Jesus..right? So, it is saying Jesus is that MAN who saw God!John 1:18 (English-KJV)No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.Maybe I am getting a bit too picky with…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:41:29 +1200

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2013,22:42)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,15:22)BUT, PAUL does not include in that order, Jesus ceasing to be “in the form of God” which is what you claim!!That is true. But then again, if I existed as a New Zealander, emptied myself or gave up the right of New Zealand citizenship, to became an American, then that would well mean…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:39:24 +1200

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2013,22:34)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,15:42)But, again, in no way does “image/form of God” imply a being itself/himself.But an image of God can only be applied to a being.I know that there was an image of Baal, but surely an image of God who is the God of the living is a living being too. Or can there be an image of God that is…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:35:56 +1200

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2013,22:27)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,15:22)BUT, PAUL does not include in that order, Jesus ceasing to be “in the form of God” which is what you claim!!I cannot see where this means 'image'. Can you help me?Although I have no real reason for this not to mean 'image', I just can't see where it means that.Form/nature/external…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:34:09 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,17:15)jb,In an earlier post, you said, “Elijah will come again, but it will not be until the end.”1. When Elijah does come, will he come with the spirit and power of Elijah? No..He will BE Elijah!!And..Jesus is the one that said Elijah will come IN THE END to restore all things!!Quote 2. Or more to the point, is…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:27:31 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,16:56)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 21 2013,21:29)Jesus, whose GOING FORTH (not origins) are from long ago.Well, I'm glad that you at least have come to know that “owlam” doesn't mean “from eternity”. We did a thread about this a couple of years ago. A lot of us did some research into it, and it seems that the Hebrew c…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:20:19 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,16:49)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 21 2013,21:22)Again, Jesus never stopped..BEING in the form of God, He ONLY did not try to be equal with God. As evidence by, He emptied Himself of His desires and took on the ROLE of a servant.You forgot a line.Actually, he emptied himself, took on the role of a servant, and was made in…[Read more]

jb2u replied to the topic Proclaimer Mikeboll64 vs JB2U in the forum Debates

Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:18:28 +1200

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,16:40)I believe that Paul was talking about Jesus' whole life to death here on earth!!Phew! That took a long time.So you think the whole thing reflects Jesus' existence on earth, right? And that means that even from Paul's perspective as he wrote those words, all these things had already happened, r…[Read more]