https://heavennet.net/members/igorwulff/activity/ Activity feed for igorwulff. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 6272ba912c1e0d2818b5b1ab55f1cb26 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/original-sin-91/page/5/#post-213077 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:30:45 +1300 To me it seems that Satan first sinned in the Garden of Eden when lying to Eve and making her go against the will of YHWH. Ezekiel 28:11-19, is at first about the king of Tyre, but to me it seems to be about the one who was working behind this king, the Satan.Code Sample 11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament…[Read more]

]]> 366e8fb026279298cfa9baf2d3d28dcd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-has-returned/page/24/#post-184443 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:23:38 +1300 George, For the most part I agree with you. But aren't the Jews, these Israelites the first fruits, the people who are Jews in spirit? It is through faith that we can be children/descendants of Abraham.

]]> 182571879f83fdca73fffd72c1035b8b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-bible-crystal-clear-enough-by-itself/page/3/#post-178608 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:50:04 +1300 Marty?Quote Galatians 3:6-9just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be bless…[Read more]

]]> 970f33b23fdafcdacc80e83c9abe32ab http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinitarians/#post-178592 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:01:46 +1300 Mike wasn't the next chapter a continuation of two of the three Angels, if I remember correctly? The Bible states that YHWH is spirit, that he is no man nor a son of man, and that he is the invisible God.Genesis 18:22 – The men turned away and went toward SodomGenesis 19:1 – The two angels arrived at Sodom in the eveningWhat is your opinion about…[Read more]

]]> 7f1246ecdd1b3164dd1e8400f938bbbe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan-14/page/4/#post-178571 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:54:19 +1300 Gene, what about Jude 1:9 and that dispute between Michael and Satan?

]]> a8d690ccf4fbe3ba917586faa73dc9c4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-most-high-god/page/37/#post-178568 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:44:06 +1300 The word used in most and probably all cases where it says that someone is getting worshiped in the NT is proskuneo:1. to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence 2. among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence 3. in the NT by kneeling or…[Read more]

]]> 99181bcd48d6dd892e47a16a282b65bb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan-14/page/4/#post-178399 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:21:32 +1300 Gene,Peter was at that very moment opposing Yeshua, so he was called a Satan, perhaps because at that moment he was doing what Satan wanted. Peter is of course a great brother of us, and we all make mistakes, he really loved Yeshua and didn't want him to die and didn't really understood at that moment, what needed to be done.But Satan is a fallen…[Read more]

]]> 282c1ef495c7475f3169b3bb531b26e1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/31/#post-178352 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:16:17 +1300 Verses like these really tell a lot about who Yeshua was and is in relation to YHWH.Quote Hebrews 5:7-10who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience…[Read more]

]]> dacdece0c6410bf41b13359f0da26b60 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/30/#post-178348 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:58:34 +1300 Hey JustAskin! Well I was trying to say, and it might be possibly that I interpret passages differently then you sometimes, but definetly from JW and TT, that of-course the last one is true. The thing Paul is trying to say is, if I remember correctly is that we should have the same humble attitude. We shouldn't be like Satan who had a lot of…[Read more]

]]> af85d3a7c658ef28956825842454bb1f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/30/#post-178320 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:22:58 +1300 How do you think about Philippians 2:6?(NIV)Who, being in very nature God,      did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a. Or in the form of(NKJV)who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with GodI think that in this vers the NIV translated it rather wel… Yeshua is the Image of God, to be ca…[Read more]

]]> b261bd46e89a9610bc2c7894aefae491 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/30/#post-178319 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:10:08 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,09:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 15 2010,16:41)Hi TT, The Spirit of the living God indwelled Jesus and he is the fountain for that eternal life for men.Jn7 Come to him as talking about theoretical stuff just makes you a philosopher.You can know the God of jesus but you cannot know a committee god.You can know…[Read more]

]]> a219437f1aaf402f1bffef406b6b01f7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-bible-crystal-clear-enough-by-itself/#post-178143 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:13:19 +1300 Quote 1 Corinthians 1:10Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s h…[Read more]

]]> 2951bc1c4753a10266550c7d63440d38 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/29/#post-178138 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:07:39 +1300 No I didn't, WJ. Quote 1 John 5:11And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

]]> 0679eba450126c1ddb058c7208937588 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/29/#post-178134 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:14 +1300 Hmm.. wel lets see1 John 4:7Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.1 John 5:11And…[Read more]

]]> dbc96a751b5e943326affeee2f4f4f69 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/29/#post-178126 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:51:54 +1300 Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 16 2010,08:47)And your “God is your throne” mistranslation has no validity in grammar. It has no validity in context either. The whole passage is about the excellence of the Son.thinkerAbout the grammer.. I'm looking into it.  

]]> fe96192ee85e267b40e62c0d02aa03fa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/29/#post-178114 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:30:32 +1300 Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 16 2010,08:09)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,07:05)TT, Quote houtos1) this, these, etc.Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 356AV — this 157, these 59, he 31, the same 28, this man 25, she 12, they 10, misc 34“This (Jesus Christ) is the true God and eternal life.” So what's your point?thinkerWell it sho…[Read more]

]]> a06e1d8ea7e3835df239aad7785dae46 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/29/#post-178112 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:28:17 +1300 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.that we mag know HIM… The Son of God has given/gives us understanding and let us know who the Father is:Quote John 17:3And this is…[Read more]

]]> 93efdba115c29e7db10d344f956c80ee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/29/#post-178110 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:26:35 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,08:19)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 15 2010,15:11)Either God is saying that Yeshua is the greatest of Creation (which excludes YHWH, because he isn't created)…IgorJesus is also excluded from creation…All things came into being through Him, and “**APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING** that has come into…[Read more]

]]> 6c4195b491f075e4af93b982074ff619 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/28/#post-178108 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:11:30 +1300 Well at this moment I'm thinking of two things, Thinker,Either God is saying that Yeshua is the greatest of Creation (which excludes YHWH, because he isn't created)… or the vers is mistranslated and should be, will require a bit of further studying. God is your throne forever and ever

]]> a111f92b0d84aca4e80db607c023e502 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/28/#post-178104 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:05:55 +1300 TT, Quote houtos1) this, these, etc.Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 356AV — this 157, these 59, he 31, the same 28, this man 25, she 12, they 10, misc 34

]]> 211f59e354eeda1e1297741449feed3e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/28/#post-178101 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:59:47 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,07:55)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 15 2010,14:43)And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true…[Read more]

]]> c98dd95fb82ba102c5543cd19e542697 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/28/#post-178097 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:49:52 +1300 hey WJ,That is of course your interpretation. Scripture also tells us that nobody has ever seen God, that God is no man or son of man and that he doesn't change (?).I'm thinking about Hebrews 1:8.. even though I have no problem with the passage as someone who doesn;t believe in the trinity doctrine. I wondering, does anybody know more about this…[Read more]

]]> d355af48097f374fd5aaadf29aada1b1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/27/#post-178092 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:43:01 +1300 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.and WE are in HIM that is true, even in HIS Son Jesus Christ.…[Read more]

]]> c1f8b4871f0aba9586421dd95b6328c0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/27/#post-178089 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:38:17 +1300 TT & WJ, doesn't a passage like Isaiah 53 clearly shows the difference between the Almighty God, YHWH and His Servant?Quote Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him,…[Read more]

]]> 0d2cd574518831d51bd9232814db6a0e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/27/#post-178082 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:21:29 +1300 oww.. TT I was just showing that HOTHEOS isn't in all cases about the Almighty God, YHWH.

]]> 60ccbef67b3ff7863b30f7a61a789cf5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-most-high-god/page/29/#post-178079 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:16:44 +1300 Hey JustAskin!Hm.. might be possible, yes. Will read this again, and think a bit about it and pray for it. Thanks!

]]> 36ce2fad6d6e9cefcf7e0eabe0b53fae http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/27/#post-178078 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:15:00 +1300 Hebrews 1:9 also clearly shows that Yeshua, has a God above him.Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

]]> b1e97e61bc79cd52f28c4514594ecb9b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/27/#post-178077 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:13:03 +1300 Well scripture says something different:Acts 3:13-14The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.Johannes 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but…[Read more]

]]> 8e90b98f58cd0f6eb462e58ef3c21c55 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/27/#post-178075 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:08:59 +1300 Your understanding of the word 'god' is different then mine, WJ. ;)I look towards the meaning of El, Elohim, etc and Theos to understand what they are actually saying, it seems to me that you and TT aren't doing that?Even so… Yeshua is only very rarely called god and even then, Yeshua clearly has a God, the same we do.TT, I shall look into it.…[Read more]

]]> 163722c7edcdf97c43d4a0d9ba92e8a7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/26/#post-178072 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:02:45 +1300 I'm curious WJ and TT.Hebrew 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. and other passages clearly distinguish God with Yeshua. How can you even say it is possible that Yeshua has a God above Him, according to your understanding of the word…[Read more]

]]> bb5bdf4f5705087ffaf0692ae7c4d39f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/26/#post-178065 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:47:15 +1300 Hi TT,I just had a quick look.. but didn't see HOTHEOS in Hebrews 1:8.. might be that I looked wrong. Wasn't Satan also called HOTHEOS of this world? But, in most and almost all cases HOTHEOS is about God Almighty.

]]> b1f1477e869d41b6057470a6f99b72a7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/26/#post-178055 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:22:16 +1300 When you think of it… there are really only few verses that actually connect Yeshua with the word 'god'… John 1:1 and the one with Thomas and maybe some more… almost all others can be explained easily in another way. However again that isn't a problem…

]]> 0728e64d771e4f3aa9ad53f4fafe15d8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/25/#post-178052 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:19:09 +1300 haha TT I guess i think differently towards the word 'god'? When humans and angels can be called gods in a non-negative way and it is shown by scripture that it's meaning is of someone with authority/power/etc.. then I don't see a problem when Yeshua is called god/powerful?

]]> b29ea5c80bad5758099c232c10fbcf8f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/25/#post-178043 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:10:27 +1300 hmm… yet Jesus was human on Earth…Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent.

]]> ca631d3ef1e8b498bd4c8641dea9ccd0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/25/#post-178040 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:04:53 +1300 TT, didn't I already reply to that?

]]> 7cf95752868bdf7be2c3b7329745ba10 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/25/#post-178008 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:14:34 +1300 What is your opinion regarding Babylon and how it seems connected through pagan things and false teachings in Christianity? Or are there other topics to discuss such matters?

]]> e4e7cbf9fe41aa1c7a2d7df763cbda60 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/25/#post-178002 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:20:04 +1300 Based on scripture you can't even say that Jesus was (Almighty) God as a human being. The bible states that God is spirit, and that He is no man nor a son of man. Also the bible states that nobody has ever seen Him, while people clearly saw Jesus. God also does not change, correct? But Jesus clearly changes, and receives power and authority in…[Read more]

]]> 11c8f635689418dd1f683716d0f12919 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/24/#post-177917 Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:53:19 +1300 Hi everyone!TT, I think we answered quit a bit of those passages. ;)I'm wondering what is your opinion of these?Acts 3:13-14The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.Johannes 20:17Jesus…[Read more]

]]> 5dbddc1e1d50692229424797a89612a9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/22/#post-177606 Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:19:53 +1300 Matthew 1:23 Image of God? Scripture tells us that God is no man nor a son of man and that nobody has ever seen Him. However Jesus is the way to God and is the Image of God.Acts 7:59 as far as I know the word THEOS isn't in that passage? Or is it in some manuscripts?hmmm wierd.. was still 'previewing'.. or so i though..:laugh:

]]> 845c2259f7fb5e3f64cd9dc5b717cfb8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/21/#post-177604 Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:09:28 +1300 Hmm let's try…:)In the Greek (that was used) New Testament there aren't any upper or lower case letters used as far as I know. So the word 'god' (=theos), could just as easily be translated as God or god. Therefore it is a matter of understanding what the meaning is of a text and of a word. When revering to the God, you should translate it as…[Read more]

]]> b8078ee66ed60b5203a40c01d4323280 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/21/#post-177454 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:28:32 +1300 Hey JustAskin,I believe that God Almighty, is the Father of Jesus/Yeshua the Messiah, and that His name is YHWH. I also believe, based on scripture that Jesus pre-existed and had a big role in Creation, 'through…'.The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of God and isn't a different 'person'.and what else…. uhm…?

]]> 08739ea4ba1bf3977c95204f11598f89 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/21/#post-177449 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:29:55 +1300 Excellent post, justAskin!I love you people!

]]> 6a53c01c8a2c98332aa568a3f8302d74 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/20/#post-177388 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:32:27 +1300 Thank you for your response, JustAskin! I was reading Numbers 23:Numbers 23:19God is not a man, that He should lie,Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?Wow.. it really is clear on this, isn't it?

]]> 841ffc78cf51cecb4b6995fb5395f73e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/20/#post-177373 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:03:12 +1300 Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:43)Irene, so your basically saying Jesus is a god too but not the Father God. you beleive in two than…And Im sorry BUT It blows me away how so many people think they truly knowI think Irene is saying that the word 'god' is a title, meaning someone who is powerful and possible representative is for YHWH. YHWH is the…[Read more]

]]> aa1c15f9abeb953d75567c29e5e27ef6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/for-non-trinitarians/page/20/#post-177197 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:04:52 +1300 Hey,I have a question regarding Isaiah 40:3.Why does the NIV at Biblegateway have this as footnotes?a. Isaiah 40:3 Or A voice of one calling in the desert: / “Prepare the way for the LORDb. Isaiah 40:3 Hebrew; Septuagint make straight the paths of our GodAre there different manuscripts of Isaiah 40:3 and is the Septuaginta different here?

]]> fbd614175669637d7a2523fd67993992 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/where-to-fellowship/page/6/#post-151114 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:24:03 +1300 Sorry Irene, I was talking about the real world, not about you and other people I found on the internet. Didn't want to insult you or anyone. I never got a clear positive result from talking to people, perhaps later, the results will show. I think very positive of you and others here.No I'm not married, still looking, though.“Sometimes we just…[Read more]

]]> 80666002e767f188c0e5f9077722db26 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sabbath-7/page/62/#post-151112 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:07:44 +1300 Irene, where did I say that we must hold the Sabbath?

]]> 8aa591ece7dcde2c4e031a7ce2c467fd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sabbath-7/page/62/#post-151111 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:02:19 +1300 Hmm.. you might be right, Irene. I shall look into it.

]]> 01035bcb179f376fa9338e3792fb57e8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/where-to-fellowship/page/6/#post-151096 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:50:24 +1300 Who will listen… I've tried, but does anyone truly listen?

]]> df559a6de88e8e18385745b9a431a1c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/where-to-fellowship/page/6/#post-151093 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:19:10 +1300 Can you blame me that I'm looking for fellowship also in a way to have Christians friends? I want to do this also for God, I could just as easily have had a bunch of friendships with unbelievers or have a relationship with someone who doesn't believe, but I didn't because I want to do what God wants me do. I'm trying to show others what I know and…[Read more]

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