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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/75/#post-864769</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:09:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi,</p>
<p>You stated that I “treat the bible, just picking out what you want so it fits your doctrine while not applying the rest”. Let’s examine who actually does that.</p>
<p>In John 1:2 the word “He” is used to refer to “the Word” in John 1:1 indicating a being. So let’s now read John 1:1-3 as it is written. “In the beginning was (He) the Word and (He)&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461199"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/75/#post-864769" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam??? in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/why-is-jesus-called-the-second-adam-if-you-say-he-came-from-adam/page/11/#post-864747</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:00:07 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus is never called the second Adam in scripture. He is called the last Adam and the Second Man. Very important and significant distinctions.</p>
<p>&#8220;And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.&#8221;  1Co 15:45</p>
<p>&#8220;The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from h&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461174"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/why-is-jesus-called-the-second-adam-if-you-say-he-came-from-adam/page/11/#post-864747" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2020 22:51:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>You said “The word of God is God, he and his words are one and the same thing”. So God &#8220;was made flesh, and dwelt among” (John 1:14). So Jesus was God and Man. I knew you would eventually acknowledge the truth.</p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/74/#post-864708</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 14:11:02 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi,</p>
<p>“Jesus Christ the faithful witness” is indeed “the first begotten from the dead”, “God having raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption”, and gave Him “the sure mercies of David”, an eternal throne, Jesus becoming “the firstfruits of them that slept”, “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461139"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/74/#post-864708" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/74/#post-864706</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:43:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Proclaimer,</p>
<p>Thanks for drawing my attention to the fact you don’t teach that the Word is the Holy Spirit. My post should have been directed to Edj.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/74/#post-864688</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:19:19 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proclaimer,</p>
<p>To say the FATHER is Spirit and the WORD is Spirit and the HOLY SPIRIT is Spirit is simply stating they share the same nature. It does not mean the WORD is the HOLY SPIRIT. Men and Women are humans. They share the same nature but Men are not therefore Women. Together they are MAN(kind) in the image and likeness of ELOHIM. The FATHER&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461120"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/74/#post-864688" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/73/#post-864669</link>
				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:19:54 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Edj,</p>
<p>I am a bit disappointed with your response. If you had read my post correctly you would have noticed I never said the word “He” was in John 1:1, But it was in chapter 1. LightenUp is correct.</p>
<p>In regard to God being Spirit, Jesus said &#8220;God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.&#8221;  (John 4:24&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461101"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/73/#post-864669" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/73/#post-864654</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2020 07:51:54 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edj,</p>
<p>I use the KJV. The quotes were simply to show there are various translations of the Greek. I don’t need to change the words of scripture. I take them at their plain meaning under the inspiration of the Spirit who reveals the truth concerning God and the WORD. Those who read for the “WORD” in the first verses of John as meaning “Mind or Plan&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461082"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/73/#post-864654" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/73/#post-864643</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:51:13 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proclaimer,</p>
<p>Question: How does one know Him that is true and that they are in Him that is True? By being in (soaked in) His Son Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>John 1:18</p>
<p>Greek interlinear New Testament &#8211; “Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν  πώποτε; μονογενὴς Θεὸς,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461071"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/73/#post-864643" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864607</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 10:15:11 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carmel,</p>
<p>Eternal Life is that life that is everlasting and is with God. It is predominantly associated with Jesus Christ, who is the one through whom Eternal life comes, God gifting it to those who hear the voice of Jesus and receive Him. Jesus is the only one of whom it is said He is “that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was m&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461039"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864607" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864606</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 02:14:08 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, &#8220;There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judges another?&#8221;  (James 4:12)</p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864597</link>
				<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2020 07:36:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Proclaimer,</p>
<p>You stated that the way you are interpreting 1 John 5:20 is the only way it can be read. This is apparently not so. The commentator Albert Barnes said this about that verse: “There has been much difference of opinion in regard to this important passage; whether it refers to the Lord Jesus Christ, the immediate antecedent, or to a m&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461029"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864597" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864587</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:39:50 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear oh dear Gene, how confused you are. You cannot even properly or correctly read other’s posts nor follow proper scriptural hermeneutics. What a shame.</p>
<p>Added to which your constant berating and castigating speaks loudly of what spirit you are of.</p>
<p>Further discussion with you is of no profit.</p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864584</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:01:47 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>A dangerous ground would be that which the Scribes and Pharisees stood on who sat Moses’ seat. To them Jesus said, when they asked him ‘Are we blind also?’, If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, We see; therefore your sin remains”. You present yourself in posts as having a high degree of discernment and knowledge&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461022"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/72/#post-864584" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864580</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2020 02:25:03 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.</p>
<p>And why behold the mote that is in your brother&#8217;s eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the mote out of your eye&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461018"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864580" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864576</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:17:27 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise, glory and honour be to Christ Jesus, “the brightness of God’s glory, and the express image of his person”, “the Word of Life”, that “eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested“ in flesh and blood and was “seen and heard” and “looked upon” and was “touched”, the “Son of God” that has come “and has given us an understa&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461010"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864576" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864573</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:37:28 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This text has been used to prove that God is not a man &#8220;God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?&#8221;  (Numbers 23:19).</p>
<p>Tragically that interpretation is again taken out of context and miss the meaning of the text.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461007"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864573" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:32:21 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re: 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Mark 12:29:</strong></p>
<p>To interpret that 1 Corinthians 8:6 teaches that One God is the Father to the exclusion of Christ Jesus is to argue “One Lord Jesus Christ” means Jesus Christ is Lord to the exclusion of the Father. Further if Jesus is the One Lord isn’t “Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:“ (Mark 12:29) telling us&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-461004"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864570" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2020 04:26:11 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>All see there was One who was prophesied to come, would be a man, a root and offspring of David, a righteous Branch and a King, the seed of Abraham, born of a woman, born under the law, the righteous branch, the arm of the Lord, a Priest after the order of Melchizedek who was like unto the son of God. That “since by man came death, by m&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460981"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/71/#post-864546" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/70/#post-864348</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2020 23:17:19 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ is “far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church”.</p>
<p>It was fitting that He should be sent by the Father, the Creator of all thing&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460799"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/70/#post-864348" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2020 00:17:56 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>It is wonderful to be the abode of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, having been baptised into Christ Jesus, buried with him and raised by the glory of the Father into newness of life, knowing my old man is crucified and that I am free from sin and that I am now living unto God and able to yield myself unto God, as one that is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460789"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/70/#post-864333" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2020 23:51:53 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To T8:</p>
<p>Amen I enjoy blessed fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ, and know the only true God and Jesus Christ who the Father sent and have tasted that the Lord is gracious and to me He is very precious.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2020 09:46:04 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T8:</p>
<p>You know the gospel message:</p>
<p>That God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless us, in turning away every one from their iniquities. God has winked at our ignorance and now commands all men every where to repent, be converted, turn to and believe in God who raised Jesus from the dead, do works meet for repentance and experience&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460749"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/70/#post-864297" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2020 02:26:32 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi T8:</p>
<p>T8 Jesus said “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” and John said he wrote his Gospel “that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name”. Again both in John 17 and 1 John 1 the purpose of God is that we know him and have fe&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460739"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/69/#post-864266" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 23:41:08 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T8:</p>
<p>Question: Who is Jesus to you (in one paragraph)?</p>
<p>Your Answer: Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Christ.</p>
<p>My Answer: I agree with that statement as far as it goes but the follow on from that is your next question</p>
<p>You asked: “I and the Father are one”. Does this mean they are the same being or God?</p>
<p>What is your answer to your own ques&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460735"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/69/#post-864257" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 22:07:38 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To T8:</p>
<p>As I said before declare your beliefs first then we will continue further discussion.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 10:15:35 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T8:</p>
<p>In my posts I comprehensively covered the topic under discussion, comparing scripture with scripture, and being led I believe by the Holy Spirit. It is my practise to seek the face of the Lord in understanding the Scriptures.</p>
<p>While I agree with you regarding Jesus preexisting Abraham I am confirmed in my understanding. I quoted just three of&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460700"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/69/#post-864222" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2020 11:52:28 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>I have started reading the thesis you sent by a link. It being 384 pages long I won’t be replying anytime soon.  In any event I don’t see the value in continuing dialogue on this particular subject as you obviously have a set your mind the interpretation of the text.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2020 10:59:20 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi T8,</p>
<p>Re: I AM</p>
<p>Everyone using the term “I am” is declaring who they are or what they did or where they come from including Jesus. But men can be deceived when speaking this way. While the Jews claimed to be of Abraham’s seed, which was true, nevertheless their Father was the Devil because of the Spirit they were moving in (John 8:33-&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460652"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/68/#post-864174" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 13:22:48 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>The connection between LOST of 2 Cor 4:3 and Luke &amp; Matthew where Jesus said he came to seek and save the LOST (the perishing) is simply to demonstrate it would not be God Almighty as the “god of this world” Of 2 Cor 4:4 who blinds the LOST since it is the LOST that Jesus came to save. No claim was made that all the Lost (pe&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460631"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/68/#post-864145" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/68/#post-864140</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 09:26:54 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>I canvassed John 9 in a previous post.</p>
<p>Blessings.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 06:06:22 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>Re: god of this World &#8211; blindness &#8211; 2 Corinthians 4:4</p>
<p>We know that God is all powerful -Omnipotent. This is not in question. All will be judged by Him, and receive their destiny according to what that have done while alive (Romans 2:1-11). We know that “the devil that deceived them (the nations)” will be “cast into the lake of fi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460620"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/67/#post-864128" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 02:09:29 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T8:</p>
<p>Thanks for your post. I appreciate your input and agree with much of what you say about why they wanted to stone Jesus. However, I note that Gabriel is saying I am Gabriel, the blind man is saying I am the man that was born blind, Peter is saying I am the man you seek. The many times Jesus says I am relates to a truth about himself as you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460618"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/67/#post-864126" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 01:34:47 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great piece on idols and idolatry LightenUp.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 01:07:17 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>You said: “according to God&#8217;s word, FIRST you have a son of David, and THEN God makes him into His own Son, why we read in Luke 1 that Jesus before he is born is already said to be the son of David“.</p>
<p>You have it back to front. John chapter 1 says:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The sam&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460616"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/67/#post-864123" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2020 22:52:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>I have gone through OT and NT scriptures showing you the use of the term ROOT. I am not going over the same ground again and again.</p>
<p>Jesus called God His Father at the age of 12.</p>
<p>&#8220;Abraham rejoiced to see” Christ’s day: “and he saw it, and was glad.&#8221;  “Then said the Jews unto him, You art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abra&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460609"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/67/#post-864111" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2020 15:50:44 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>The “Lion of the tribe of Juda” IS “the root of David” he didn’t come from the root of David. “I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star”.</p>
<p>Always best to read scripture correctly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2020 11:18:31 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>Re: Root and Stem<br />
The first thing we should remember in our discussions on scripture is that the NT Apostles and prophets had a “dispensation of the grace of God” and received truth “by revelation” concerning things in “other ages that were not made known unto the sons of men”. Their understanding therefore, by that grace and revelation,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460600"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/67/#post-864102" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864087</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2020 01:07:18 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To LightenUp,</p>
<p>Praise God we have a common understanding regarding God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son.</p>
<p>Regarding the topic “god of this world”, we need to understand that the “world” Paul is talking of is “this present evil world” out of which born again children of God are delivered, not the created “world” that the Almighty God created whi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460585"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864087" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2020 22:47:10 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi GeneBathrop,</p>
<p>You: “words out of Jesus&#8217; own mouth,  like him saying this, &#8220;I am the root and &#8220;offspring &#8221; of King David”</p>
<p>My Response: this very scripture proves the point that was being made about the way you and Jodi interpret scripture to suit your theology. In that very scripture Christ is called “root” as well as “offspring”. You are happy&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460584"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864086" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2020 09:48:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi T8,</p>
<p>I agree with your comments re: Jodi. Well said.</p>
<p>Jodi unfortunately refuses to acknowledge the plain meaning of text in scripture but instead has to manipulate it to fit in to a predetermined theological position she holds.</p>
<p>As you said she keeps quoting scriptures about Jesus as a man which (is already acknowledged by born again&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460573"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864075" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2020 01:35:02 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>Loved the quote from 1 Corinthians 13. In the beautiful epistle Of 1 John we see God revealed as Life, Light and Love. Through Christ Jesus being Son of God and Son Of Man, Life, Light and Love (the fullness of God) has been made accessible to us so we can have fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ, together&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460564"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864068" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2020 00:34:02 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>re: blindness</p>
<p>It is Absolutely true that God is the giver of light and by turning to Christ all blindness is healed. We Give “thanks unto the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear S&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460563"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864067" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2020 00:03:39 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>re: righteousness &#8211; Just a point of clarification that our discussion has been about who was meant in the Jeremiah passages as Jehovah our Righteousness. This scripture clearly confirms that it is Christ as we see in this verse  &#8220;of him (God) are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460562"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864066" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 14:21:37 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LightenUp,</p>
<p>I agree with your post on Jehovah our righteousness. Both Jeremiah 23:6 and Jeremiah 33:16 are talking of the “Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David”, the one raised “unto David a righteous Branch”, a King that “shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth”, and “execute judgment and r&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460555"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/66/#post-864059" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 03:29:20 +1200</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 01:02:29 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To T8:</p>
<p>I agree with you. The World of which the Apostle Paul is speaking in 1 Cor 4:4 is the present evil world (spirit of disobedience) under the dominion of Satan, the father of lies, deceit and murder, not the physical world.</p>
<p>Of this evil dominion, Satan who was a sinner from the beginning is the head and Satan’s works are sin (by which he g&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460542"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/65/#post-864046" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 01:32:30 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LightenUp and Berean,</p>
<p>It certainly is clear from scripture that where “a people&#8217;s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed” that Isaiah 6 applies as we see from Jesus’s words in Matthew 13:14-17 and as the Apostle Peter says Christ is &#8220;And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence even to them wh&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460526"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/65/#post-864030" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2020 23:02:41 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>Three questions on John 3 again.</p>
<p>1. Are you aware that in the Greek the phrase “that came down” is katabainō meaning “descend” and is used 80 times in the New Testament in a consistent way e.g. the same word is used in all the gospels where it speaks of the Spirit descending like a dove (e.g. Matthew 3:16, John 1:33) and in the verse&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460495"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/64/#post-863999" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2020 12:02:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi,</p>
<p>In your post starting “Abraham spoke to Yah but not literally face to face. ”, you made the following comment later on under “Back to John 3“ in the paragraph “In John 3 Jesus says a man must be born again of water and of the Spiri to see God&#8217;s kingdom, &lt;span style=&#8221;color: #ff9900;&#8221;&gt;<strong>we then hear prophecy that he is the only MAN who ascende&hellip;</strong><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-460484"><a href="https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/born-and-begotten/page/64/#post-863986" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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