https://heavennet.net/members/gollamudi/activity/ Activity feed for gollamudi. Sun, 26 Apr 2026 06:18:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 dd580a28e6869126bf5e10e129e0cb63 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/15/#post-236575 Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:15:47 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 17 2011,15:06)Adam,It is your knowledge about God that causes you not to believe Tim's claim that Jesus is God's litteral child.  Tim on the other hand seems to lack the same knowledge of God or his God is not the same God as yours.What knowledge if any do you lack of God?Why did God punish David's child with death for…[Read more]

]]> b984e7367ec7c757418c5a17be579859 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/14/#post-236571 Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:05:52 +1300 Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2011,11:34)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 17 2011,10:50)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2011,00:21)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 16 2011,14:42)Sorry brother in fact I am not spinning rather your posts are spinning on God's blood.Hi Adam,Scientists suggest that the “Blood” in the fetus comes from the father,which in Jesus' case (his Father) is the…[Read more]

]]> 2f4d3884190d29c48d8d36b58f2d400a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/14/#post-236565 Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:50:12 +1300 Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2011,00:21)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 16 2011,14:42)Sorry brother in fact I am not spinning rather your posts are spinning on God's blood.Hi Adam,Scientists suggest that the “Blood” in the fetus comes from the father,which in Jesus' case (his Father) is the “HolySpirit”! care to comment?God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]

]]> bd76c31b519722ce69ee17d594160064 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/14/#post-236564 Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:45:29 +1300 Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 17 2011,01:00)Hey Adam & all: Could someone please tell me how this “original sin” that Adam supposedly did, that was not called a sin in the story of the Garden of Eden, also made it through the flood that God used to supposedly destroy all evil from the planet earth? Sin is certainly considered evil, isn't it? So, how did…[Read more]

]]> 7d829d1bc2665f4077d49b1fc27861a1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/14/#post-236563 Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:41:09 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 16 2011,23:55)EDJ……..Adam is right GOD is not flesh and blood, He is the creator of It. It was no problem for him to create DNA in MARY to produce the Person he wanted. It say in scripture Jesus would look a certain way and this would take DNA manipulation to Perform and get that particular look he wanted Jesus to…[Read more]

]]> c1157fa6f8ce72d249796df8b8bba916 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/13/#post-236554 Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:42:00 +1300 Sorry brother in fact I am not spinning rather your posts are spinning on God's blood.

]]> 6c88d40e1c7c05047e58f24f2b39633e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/13/#post-236552 Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:17:04 +1300 That is some thing too much to agree that God has flesh and blood. I can't agree with you.

]]> 88ea1a0c67d089d43cd85a50c87bde6b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/13/#post-236550 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:30:01 +1300 I think God is pure Spirit and no flesh and blood IMO.

]]> 916ee903e20da7a75b4e72809035915c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/13/#post-236548 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:32:52 +1300 Hi brother Ed,You base your arguments on AKJV which is Trinitarian version. So as per your assumption God the Holy Spirit is having blood with which he could redeem us from original sin?

]]> 31a94e5b5a75572ce9680fa8c8d07011 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236544 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:39:27 +1300 Good question brother Kerwin. In fact I don't believe that First five books in the Bible were written by Moses as well.Peace to youAdam

]]> b28ea91b8a0e92c31716947babc98ab1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/41/#post-236001 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 04:46:31 +1300 Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2011,07:41)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 14 2011,03:39)So much is said there as regards to what you are saying and as well, about Physical Bodies because yet even while we have these Physical bodies we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit and therefor our bodies are spiritual bodies. IMOpeace and…[Read more]

]]> 3e028b6f9872d2018347e6e5e6dd6ffc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236542 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:23:54 +1300 Quote (princess @ Feb. 13 2011,05:53)why does the 'original sin' reflect adam?So that is the question coined here.

]]> 10a2e8c2d201da97b0ddb73224b505df http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-spirits-have-bodies/page/137/#post-235960 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:20:25 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 13 2011,01:13)Adam………You are right because sin is sin and we all have a propensity to sin, because we are exposed to it in this earth at a very young and impressionable age. John said, “ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD THE LUST OF THE EYES AND THE LUST OF THE FLESH AND THE PRIDE OF LIFE ARE (FROM) THE WORLD. And even if…[Read more]

]]> 4a4394401b92bfcf39ecbdb4afca90aa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236540 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:44:49 +1300 Thank brother Mike to have time to look into this thread.

]]> 1dd9d1e921f16fbf5806d6660ea31aeb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236538 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:42:26 +1300 Hi brother Ed,Please tell us what do you want to convey from this passage about Good Samaritan?

]]> 4d9764256e73afd52c3ee235a20ecff3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236536 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:57:22 +1300 Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2011,16:31)No original sin?So the first sin was really a few sins that happened concurrently? Is there an original/first anything?Is there any thing called 'Original sin' which affected mankind for which a Vicarious death of a god-man required?

]]> 055a14fb0fc72bfd23631fedd314c4e2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236535 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:54:12 +1300 Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2011,15:40)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 08 2011,21:10)Hi brother Ed,In other thread “Holy Spirit is the Word” you inferred that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Here is another proof for claiming Jesus is God from your earlier post in this thread; Jesus Christ  =  The TestatorWhat does it mean? The Testator or Covenant maker was none b…[Read more]

]]> 9212162427b4ed0167c643f022ce87d7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236534 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:52:12 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2011,15:30)Adam,I have thought about what you wrote in regards to humanity being created with the impulse to do evil as well as the impulse to do good.  I agree that may well be the case but though Adam's choice to sin all humanity became enslaved to sin unless they recieved the Spirit of Holyness from God.  The Spirit of G…[Read more]

]]> 32350db49a1992f3fcd306a4171dc7b5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-spirits-have-bodies/page/136/#post-235918 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:47:54 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2011,20:13)Adam.The idea of evil as total depravity is a Western conceptl  The Jews view sin more as being self centered.  That is why Jesus taught us to deny ourselfs and follow him.  If you are correct then is sounds as if Augustine was looking as slavery to sin from worldly eyes.Thanks for that agreement brother Kerwin.

]]> bd43fed7a7a37562f097b8f9f6560c99 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-spirits-have-bodies/page/136/#post-235910 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:04:53 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2011,15:25)Mike,I do acknowledge that Adam, as the one in authority, bears a greater guilt for sin entering the world than does Eve who was subject to him.  Never the less we are taught that both Adam and Eve and their decendents were punished by God and that men inherit the punishment from Adam as woman inherit theirs…[Read more]

]]> f47d26dcc28ca8cc4b03e7a1fdcfa114 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-spirits-have-bodies/page/136/#post-235767 Wed, 09 Feb 2011 08:56:42 +1300 Thanks brother Kerwin.

]]> 80c1835e28955005e18b99e3c2cde513 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-spirits-have-bodies/page/136/#post-235756 Wed, 09 Feb 2011 06:13:49 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2011,15:12)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 08 2011,11:48)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2011,14:55)MIke…………..Wrong, Jesus was a son of ADAM and as i recall he did not sin, But see how your confusion causes you not to even believe Jesus was the Son of Adam and Yet without sin. Mike it say sin entered into the WORLD through…[Read more]

]]> ac8e1d0fc7b62dbe741b34e99451d2c0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/39/#post-235749 Wed, 09 Feb 2011 04:44:31 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,09:31)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 08 2011,15:48)The series of verses you quoted to support Jesus' preexistence are purely the interpretations of NT writers out of their Christological terminology but they are not supported by any of the scriptures in Hebrew Bible.Hi Adam, You're entitled to your beliefs as much as…[Read more]

]]> b551d05d64258bd50cbb4aebe1da8ba9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/12/#post-236530 Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:10:50 +1300 Hi brother Ed,In other thread “Holy Spirit is the Word” you inferred that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Here is another proof for claiming Jesus is God from your earlier post in this thread; Jesus Christ = The TestatorWhat does it mean? The Testator or Covenant maker was none but God Himself.This is the reason why I asked you the earlier…[Read more]

]]> c5cad496b74a1e5aea6e178f75e93b83 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/38/#post-235665 Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:08:05 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2011,16:12)Adam,Where is it written that “”he was found in the likeness of our sinful flesh””?I am sorry it can be read as “he was sent in the likeness of our sinful flesh” you can find it in Rom 8:3.Thanks and peace to you

]]> d7e475772b9d330db5642215242ecb75 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/do-spirits-have-bodies/page/135/#post-235654 Tue, 08 Feb 2011 06:48:16 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2011,14:55)MIke…………..Wrong, Jesus was a son of ADAM and as i recall he did not sin, But see how your confusion causes you not to even believe Jesus was the Son of Adam and Yet without sin. Mike it say sin entered into the WORLD through ADAM, it does not say we inherited any sin from ADAM, that is you…[Read more]

]]> e70fd043d3d4da281148dc01b235ae44 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/11/#post-236528 Tue, 08 Feb 2011 06:05:28 +1300 Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2011,12:14)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 07 2011,15:39)Hi brother Ed,So you mean Jesus is God Himself?Hi Adam,Why do you say that?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPlease refer your earlier post in which you stated that Jesus=Holy Spirit where Holy Spirit=God Himself. Also the Covenant maker was God…[Read more]

]]> 476fe28879d05251e6e6794e7316c8ef http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/38/#post-235648 Tue, 08 Feb 2011 05:48:14 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2011,13:20)Quote (gollamudi @ Feb. 07 2011,20:10)The problem with Phil 2 is Paul was nowhere near this so called preexistence' divinity of Jesus. Hi Adam,What if we add in a couple other things Paul said about it?Romans 1:3 NIVregarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,Romans 8:3 NIVFor what…[Read more]

]]> 579b6b82a8c48ab36bd8a8f2294b28ae http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/37/#post-235549 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 10:10:08 +1300 Good thoughts brother Gene. The problem with Phil 2 is Paul was nowhere near this so called preexistence' divinity of Jesus. In fact he was talking about Jesus' human example than that of preexisting God-man. Brother Mike talks about so called gods which Paul quoted for proving that there is no other God but God the Father even Jesus who is called…[Read more]

]]> f1712aa06483c1527fb8937db7ae8048 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/11/#post-236526 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:54:49 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2011,16:27)Adam………..When God made a Covenant with Abraham as i recall he had him kill a animal and separate its parts in tow two lines and he walked up and down between those parts and said this blood was the sign that sealed  the covenant he made with Abraham. Now my point is this,  God can make a covenant w…[Read more]

]]> aae2b75810ba5f67f375f756fd08b523 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/11/#post-236524 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:39:50 +1300 Hi brother Ed,So you mean Jesus is God Himself?

]]> 0a74a96711f54717197bc9fad377a4e9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/36/#post-235490 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 07:22:13 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2011,08:03)Hi Gene,Nothing you posted answers my point that I just restated to Marty.  Nor does it answer Irene's point about first “emptying himself” and THEN “being made as a human being”.You post scriptural truths that none of us have ever disagreed with, but you post them in such a way that it seems as if you're…[Read more]

]]> 6155ae32dc0e72d280af284566a4aa38 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/11/#post-236521 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:51:11 +1300 Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2011,01:01)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2011,00:19)Hi brother Kerwin, Tim and Georg,I appreciate your wonderful responses on this thread. In fact as a Christian I can understand all your logics on Vicarious atonement of Jesus. But I am not fully convinced on these arguments with reference to Jewish views on Original sin and Sin…[Read more]

]]> b329715def28ee3315bd2efbd34bbb06 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/11/#post-236518 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:19:33 +1300 Hi brother Kerwin, Tim and Georg,I appreciate your wonderful responses on this thread. In fact as a Christian I can understand all your logics on Vicarious atonement of Jesus. But I am not fully convinced on these arguments with reference to Jewish views on Original sin and Sin atonement. I liked the views of brothers Kerwin and Tim on Jesus'…[Read more]

]]> e5f50960f8c0722e1c20f49f0ccbd86b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-jewish-messiah/page/41/#post-234605 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 04:02:50 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2011,07:41)Adam,About the date of the Messiah’s return to this world I only know that Jesus himself did and may still not know.  So I find it hard to believe that after stating that he would turn around and say something that proved he did know.  I admit though those ignorant and corrupt men misinterpret scriptures.  Th…[Read more]

]]> 379017cbd8a84d0ed6a31a87fae223de http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-jewish-messiah/page/41/#post-234604 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 03:59:38 +1300 Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 28 2011,05:24)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 26 2011,03:18)Hi brother Theodorej,Thanks for your response on my post above. So you believe that Jesus' death changed every thing on this earth. But this supreme sacrifice was not mentioned in Hebrew Bible for Messiah. He will be a warrior and political leader who will establish God's…[Read more]

]]> 6b8bfed1afae899541ca5c3a62b5ca30 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-jewish-messiah/page/41/#post-234555 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:30:39 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2011,21:24)Adam,You wrote:Quote He will be a warrior and political leader who will establish God's kingdom on earth.Jesus is a warrior and political leader as scripture testifies.  Have you not read that he was appointed to the political and warrior position of King?    David was also a warrior king though his enemies we…[Read more]

]]> 616d804049a5ab8693bccc00876be581 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/10/#post-236514 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:20:14 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2011,21:33)Adam,I was not intentionally explaining Jesus’ death as atonement as though he does pay the wages of our sins and that is why it is foretold that “But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities”, Isaiah 53:5.  In addition it is self evident that by choosing to suffer death he did cl…[Read more]

]]> 5fa3eb208bfaddf4516da2532aaffb42 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/30/#post-234554 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:09:38 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2011,01:42)To All………..The Big Question regarding Preexistence is this, What Profit would it be to GOD or Man, if God MORPHED a past existing BRING OF ANY KIND and passed him off as a human being, that would be deceptive on GOD'S Part and would prove nothing to man kind as regarding a Perfect Human Being if in…[Read more]

]]> f20e10e8df220015f80ab25448d41dbe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/30/#post-234537 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:37:11 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2011,13:13)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 25 2011,14:25)What Matt 22 says about Jews is the version of the Greek (Hellenistic) Christian writer. Gospels always distorted the version of Jews.Hi Adam,I thought Matthew (Levi) was a Jew.  And as I understand it, there is much evidence to support that his gospel was originally…[Read more]

]]> d643d6c671de53437b53ef58dd249428 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/10/#post-236512 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:27:26 +1300 Hi brother Kerwin,Thanks again for your pains to explain to me on Jesus' death as vicarious atonement. But I am sorry that I am not convinced by those strange ideas of those Jews whom you quoted for your support. In fact I may agree that Jesus' death was a martyr death than vicarious atonement as claimed by the writers of Hebrew and Matthew. But I…[Read more]

]]> f4afdfe8dacb408c0c90e3fff12b4c30 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-jewish-messiah/page/41/#post-234454 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:18:17 +1300 Hi brother Theodorej,Thanks for your response on my post above. So you believe that Jesus' death changed every thing on this earth. But this supreme sacrifice was not mentioned in Hebrew Bible for Messiah. He will be a warrior and political leader who will establish God's kingdom on earth. Jesus' kingdom is not of this world as per the claims of…[Read more]

]]> 68d80f6ffe17854d9f5934b54e81d1d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/29/#post-234450 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:58:01 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2011,00:34)Adam………… If anyone see Jesus as not a normal human being coming into existence by his berth from humanity as a pure human being, Just like Moses , John the Baptist , Jeremiah the prophet they do not see GOD'S work (IN) perfecting Humanity,  they have bought into those false teachings, out of one…[Read more]

]]> ddfe69aa93c8bf9698ae1b189f51a593 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/was-christ-born-on-december-25/page/12/#post-234426 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:11:51 +1300 Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,14:49)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 25 2011,14:16)Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ Jan. 25 2011,13:03)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,12:05)The Messiah was born on the 1st of Elul which was September 11th in 3 BC about 7-8 P.M.september 11th seems to be a very important date hmm.Hi brother…[Read more]

]]> 9b5323ff64a457051e6d6283c57ff9dd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-jewish-messiah/page/41/#post-234423 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:28:38 +1300 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,02:38)Quote (Baker @ Dec. 17 2010,04:24)Adam!  You deny Jesus being our Savior, because He is not the Jewish messiah?  Are you out of your mind…. The Jews killed Him, and they will do anything to change the Torah like it is today to ease their concision.  You are not a Christian at all.  I will pray for you…[Read more]

]]> 612bbecd0e0d42cddf820e51ea179ac1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/29/#post-234422 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:25:46 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2011,10:26)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 24 2011,14:26)Jews believe that Messiah will be greater king than David.Hi Adam,They do/did?  That's funny, because then what Jesus said to them about David calling his descendent “my Lord” would make no sense whatsoever.  If the Messiah IS supposed to be greater than David, then why d…[Read more]

]]> ec603005676dc99d2b297578a1a96571 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/was-christ-born-on-december-25/page/12/#post-234421 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:16:01 +1300 Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ Jan. 25 2011,13:03)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,12:05)The Messiah was born on the 1st of Elul which was September 11th in 3 BC about 7-8 P.M.september 11th seems to be a very important date hmm.Hi brother Betweenchristendom,Greetings to you. Please see my arguments above to place Jesus' birth during…[Read more]

]]> cb046c6cc0de07707b80fb6975af7bfd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-jewish-messiah/page/41/#post-234315 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:03:15 +1300 For Sis Irene…….Maimonides' views of Jesus:According to Maimonides Jesus of Nazareth is not the Messiah, as is claimed by Christians.”As for Jesus of Nazareth, who claimed to be the anointed one and was condemned by the Sanhedrin. Daniel had already prophesied about him, thus: 'And the children of your people's rebels shall raise themselves to…[Read more]

]]> 6ab5bbf07ccc167cc441ac1c27c66fac http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preexistence-part-2/page/28/#post-234314 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:26:19 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,02:42)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 13 2011,19:11)Good arguments brother Gene. Jewish Messiah was never meant other than human being born to human parents. Literal preexistence of Messiah is some thing unknown to Judaism and Hebrew Bible.Love and peace to youAdamHi Adam,You are right.  The Jews thought the Messiah would…[Read more]

]]> bdebe621f817f3ee4d7d35db50d1908a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/myth-of-original-sin-vicarious-atonement/page/10/#post-236510 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:25:07 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2011,19:21)Adam,You claim that “Sealing of New covenant by the blood of Jesus or the death of Will giver are not supported by Hebrew Bible”.  Scripture states:Psalms 40((NIV)6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire—   but my ears you have opened—   burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require. 7 Then I sai…[Read more]

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