DT……Propitiation, is appeasing the wrath of God.  Jesus’ life was given “for”,  the “purpose of” , showing us all how to “appease” the warpath of God.

look up the meaning of the word ‘for’ in the Cambridge dictionary and you will find it means for the “purpose of”, but never, “in place of”.

Jesus died for the purpose of “showing or demonstratin…[Read more]

DT…….Your still setting things to your time frame, but not God’s.  Where doe any scripture say all that must happen at the same time period.  I haven’t found any set time period yet have you, if so then show it to us.

But the time of the Messiah’s is set in scriptures, a time when all the Jews knew, as described in the books of Daniel the prophet…[Read more]

DT……The words for and because are. synonymous  if applied in the right “sense”,  let’s see if you are able to understand this?.

“FOR” ….. sin exists in this world, so God sent Jesus,  at the right time, a prophesied person who he “‘predicted through his prophets, to “demonstrate”  to all his human creation what is required to live right with hi…[Read more]

Danny……yes it is speaking of the LORD,  our,  and Jesus’, GOD.

Peace and love to you and your Danny………gene

Danny, AMEN to that post brother.

peace and love to you and yours………gene

Berean…..What you quoted is correct , Jesus did die for all mankind,  because God chose him to  “demonstrate” to all mankind, What is required to live right with God the Father. He  did not  to take our place and pay off our sins. But to “demonstrate”  and show us all what is required of us all to be forgiven our sins by God the Father, and inter…[Read more]

First of all the word “for”. In English  can mean “because”  of. Now let’s get the picture of what that means>. God wanted to show mankind what it takes to live right with him. Jesus demonstrated the “WAY”, to do that. The only way he paid for our sins is in “DEMONSTRATING”.  to us all , what is required to have a true and right relationship wit…[Read more]

DT, you said…….>To say Jesus died “because” of our sins is to call God a liar; it was God who said in Deut 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, and children shall not be put to death because of their fathers; each one shall be put to death for his own sin.” If God says the innocent will not be put to death for t…[Read more]

Jodi, you said…….>God brought forth times and seasons to prove to man that we need God’s Spirit dwelling in us, man can do nothing of himself.

That’s absolutely right,  Jesus said,….> the son of man can do, “nothing” of himself, And that it was God who was “in” him doing the works.  This is the exact same thing that must happen to us.  Just as it…[Read more]

Danny you quoted……> 1John.4
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent 👉his only begotten Son👉 into the world, that we might live through him.

Let’s think about that ok,  Who sent his only begotten son, was it the Son who sent himself, or was it God who sent him?   And in what way are we to live through him? ,  by h…[Read more]

Danny , we’re talking about the “first “LOVE”,  not the first begotten from death to eternal life, by the Lord God raising him from the dead.   I think you’re shifting what we are talking about here.   Please go and read what Jesus told the Church at Ephesus in revelations, and think about it, because that fits exactly the way, nearly all churche…[Read more]

Danny,  yes we should love JESUS, but there is a priority, when it comes to love.  Let’s let Jesus explain it……..> “Mark 12: 29-31….> “And Jesus answered him,  the “FIRST” of “ALL” the commandments is Hear,  O Israel ; The LORD OUR GOD is “ONE” Lord: And you shall love the Lord thy GOD  with “ALL” your hear, and with “ALL”  your soul, and with…[Read more]

To all…….sorry for the misspelling in my above post it should have said…..>. “God so loved the world that he gave his only (uniquely) begotten Son , that who soever believed in him should not perish”.

Jesus also said …….> “many”, would come unto him , in that day saying , in your name we have done all these good  works, and he would say unto th…[Read more]

DT……RIDDLE  ME THIS  “O” WISE ONE…….Gen 2:2…..> “And the LORD God formed man “OF” the dust of the “GROUND”   and breathe into his nostrils the breath of life: and man became a “living soul “.   That is exactly what a “man” is,  nothing more and nothing less.  A-Man is not a “soul” without a “living body”.

Jesus the MESSIAH said,  …….> don’t f…[Read more]

DT…..I know David did not ‘write” all of the BOOK OF PSALMS,  I have known that for over 50 years now.  But that particular Psalm we’re talking about,  was direct at David’s descendent, why?,  because David’ s  (body ) did see corruption in the pit i.e grave. BUT Jesus , who said he was the “root and offspring of David”,  did not have his (body)…[Read more]

DT…… no matter what anyone say and what scriptures they give you, to support their claim, you simply ignore them or simply say they don’t mean what they say , now you say the book of Plams was a book written “to” David , instead of DAVID writing it,  them you say it was saying the David would not suffer the corruption of his body in the grave…[Read more]

Proclaimer……First of all , you don’t understand what a “Messiah”  is.  A Messiah is and has to be a pure human being. like Moses, and other human God used from the human race, by anointing them with his Holy Spirit.

Second,  no scripture says Jesus was “born” , before Abraham, that is your interpretation of what before means.  But I see it as be…[Read more]

Berean…… If Jesus had all those “ADVANTAGES” OVER US THAT YOU GIVE HIM, THEN HE COULD NOT QULIFY,  TO BE A “MESSIAH”.  Him overcoming the world, and him telling we must also overcome “as he did” , would have been a lie, because he would have had a great advantage over us, by being a “PREEXISTING BEING”  with all the foreknowledge we simply do…[Read more]

Berean you said………”The TRUE Israël IS those “they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.(Rev.14:12)” ,

So tell us what was the Faith of Jesus, was it in himself or in God the Father.  If we have the Faith of Jesus then that Faith will be in “God the Father , just as his Faith was.

That is not to say we don’t believe in…[Read more]