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				<title>francis became a registered member</title>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:26:01 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Marty&#8230;I&#039;m not sure how your post&#8230; or the verses you listed&#8230; contradicts or negates my belief that Jesus was the perfect and only true sacrifice that was required to reconcile man with God.  Indeed&#8230; how does your post&#8230; or the verses you listed&#8230; even contradict what mikeboll64 said in his most recent response to what you wrote to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-1469"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/bloodless-atonement-22/#post-389095" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 15:53:06 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello bodhitharta&#8230; I haven&#039;t been on here in a long time, but are you writing to me? If you were, and you wish to continue, let me know and i will respond.I hope all is well and I&#039;m glad to see you are still on here fighting for your beliefs&#8230; even though I disagree with them.Take careFrancis</p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:12:52 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Asana for your timely reply.I wasn&#039;t able to finish my response&#8230; and now it is 1am in the morning and I have to get up at 7am and go to work.   After that&#8230; I have to spend the rest of Sunday to prep for my Bible study on Monday night.So I won&#039;t be able to finish my response until after Monday night.  My Bible study goes until 1am.  &hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-126483"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/8/#post-295453" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:30:55 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+April 29 2012,00:37--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,00:37)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 28 2012,06:50--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 28 2012,06:50)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Where were the disciples of Jesus in the plan and purpose of God if we are to believe the Quran in 4:157 ?  How on earth  could they&#8230; and why would they have&#8230; just sit down and let the Jewish leaders spread lies about the crucifixion if  Jesus didn&#039;t die as you te&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-132850"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/7/#post-295382" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:50:59 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Asana&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to question our friendship or love for one another, that to me goes without  saying.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks Asana&#8230; I will never question our friendship again. I enjoy our exchanges and I want you to feel completely free  to be yourself in our discussions.  Don&#039;t hold back.  Say what is in your heart&#8230; you won&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-132851"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/7/#post-295365" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:04:32 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Asana&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->FrancisWhat you are saying just doesn&#039;t Gel and here&#039;s why: Jesus explainsJohn 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?Jesus was sent into the world if he was God incarnated he would not  have made the distinction that God sent him into&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-126465"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/6/#post-294969" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:01:44 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Asana&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->divine (adj.) c.1300, from O.Fr. devin (12c.), from L. divinus &#8220;of a god,&#8221; from divus &#8220;a god,&#8221; related to deus &#8220;god, deity&#8221; (see Zeus). Weakened sense of &#8220;excellent&#8221; had evolved by late 15c.divine (v.) &#8220;to conjure, to guess,&#8221; originally &#8220;to make out by supernatural insight,&#8221; mid-14c., from O.Fr. deviner, from V.L. *devinare,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-110922"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/5/#post-294918" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:52:20 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Asana&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->And what is this talk about incarnation where in the world in the bible does it say anything about God being &#8220;Incarnated&#8221;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The Incarnation is a fundamental theological teaching of orthodox (Nicene) Christianity, based on its understanding of the New Testament. In the Bible, the clearest teaching about the Incarnation appears to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-110921"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/5/#post-294916" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:53:07 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-bodhitharta+April 25 2012,20:00--><b>Quote</b> (bodhitharta @ April 25 2012,20:00)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 25 2012,19:04--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 25 2012,19:04)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+April 25 2012,18:18--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ April 25 2012,18:18)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 25 2012,17:07--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 25 2012,17:07)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hello Asana&#8230;<b>3)&#8230;</b> While it is true that the root of the word Divine is literally &#8220;godlike&#8221;&#8230; when we look into the definition of the word as it is used today and in the past&#8230; the word &#8220;Divine&#8221;&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-110919"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/5/#post-294889" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:04:27 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+April 25 2012,18:18--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ April 25 2012,18:18)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 25 2012,17:07--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 25 2012,17:07)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hello Asana&#8230;<b>3)&#8230;</b> While it is true that the root of the word Divine is literally &#8220;godlike&#8221;&#8230; when we look into the definition of the word as it is used today and in the past&#8230; the word &#8220;Divine&#8221; appears to have many kinds of meanings.But as I was saying to Ed J&#8230; when I was&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-89488"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/4/#post-294840" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:01:33 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Francis had written:</b>Jesus.. when He left heaven to become lower than angles for our sake&#8230; he voluntarily limited to some degree His qualities as God&#8230; like His omniscience, omnipotence, etc.<b>Mike responded with this:</b>So was Jesus on earth &#8220;fully God&#8221;, or &#8220;limited God&#8221;?  I don&#039;t see how you can say that both things apply.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->When I&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-89487"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/4/#post-294839" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:10:31 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Asana wrote:</b><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->We never disagreed that it was widely believed, thought or written about that Jesus was Crucified or killed so your entire argument is based on a wrong premise.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello Asana&#8230;I&#039;m not using a wrong premise as you suggest&#8230; but instead, I&#039;m using that very knowledge we agree on, as one of my basic premises. And so that has been my&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-89485"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/4/#post-294832" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:07:57 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Asana wrote this:</b><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->(There) is no such thing as a Divine God because the word Divine means godlike and God can never have a Divine nature, I really wish you guys study more and accuse less.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello Asana&#8230;With all due respect&#8230; and with the utmost sincerity from one friend to another&#8230; I would gently encourage you to follow your own advice and&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-89484"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/4/#post-294826" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:43:47 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+April 25 2012,05:37--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ April 25 2012,05:37)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 25 2012,02:24--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 25 2012,02:24)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+April 24 2012,17:40--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ April 24 2012,17:40)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 24 2012,16:13--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 24 2012,16:13)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hello Mike&#8230; That part of Jesus&#8230; the fully Divine part&#8230; was in full and total agreement with each other.Yours in ChristFrancis<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Francis,What does this mean?God blessEd J (<a href="http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=josh&amp;c=22&amp;v=34&amp;d=22&amp;w=34" rel="nofollow ugc">Joshua 22:34</a>)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello Ed&#8230;So&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-89475"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/4/#post-294663" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:24:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+April 24 2012,17:40--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ April 24 2012,17:40)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 24 2012,16:13--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 24 2012,16:13)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hello Mike&#8230; That part of Jesus&#8230; the fully Divine part&#8230; was in full and total agreement with each other.Yours in ChristFrancis<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Francis,What does this mean?God blessEd J (<a href="http://bible.worthwhile.com/bible.php?b=josh&amp;c=22&amp;v=34&amp;d=22&amp;w=34" rel="nofollow ugc">Joshua 22:34</a>)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello Ed&#8230;If you add the sentence right before the one you quoted from my post to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72852"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/3/#post-294604" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic The strangest thing of all in the forum Faith</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:24:05 +1200</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:21:19 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-francis+April 23 2012,11:26--><b>Quote</b> (francis @ April 23 2012,11:26)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, since the Quran was written 600 years after Jesus&#039; time on earth&#8230; then that means that Mohammed must have seen written records or had evidence in front of him which testified to the fact that there were all these people who were boasting that they killed Jesus.  Otherwise, how would Mohammed known about&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72847"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/3/#post-294541" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:13:34 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Francis wrote:</b>By definition, God is perfect and therefore there is no disagreements or arguments between the 3 persons of the Godhead.  God the Father&#8230; God the son&#8230; and God the Holy Spirit are always in complete harmony in all things.  If there was no complete and total harmony between the 3 persons of God, then God c&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72846"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/3/#post-294540" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:15:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Asana&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Oy, so you are saying Jesus sacrificed himself and not that God sacrificed him or told him in any way to allow such a sacrifice right?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Unfortunately, it looks like we are still not able to communicate enough so that we understand each other.  I will take the blame since I realize that I&#039;m not all that bright.First of all, Jesus&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72843"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/3/#post-294447" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:26:38 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Asana wrote:</b><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->You cannot provide evidence that Jesus died on the Cross you can only speculate so your entire post was an attempt to appear to be using logic or  reason but tell me then where is your PROOF?Where is your EVIDENCE that Jesus was killed or Crucified?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello Asana&#8230;Way back in the latter part of 2010, i went into incredible detail&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72841"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/3/#post-294411" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:25:30 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Francis,I didn&#039;t mention you leaving our debate at all, nor did I even allude to that.  I was pointing out that just because your opponent doesn&#039;t address each of the mind-numbing amount of things you write in a single post is not to say he therefore agrees with the points he didn&#039;t have the time or patience to address.  That&#039;s all I was s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72946"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/2/#post-293929" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:56:02 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Francis</b>I am going to assume that your desire to not respond to anything else I&#039;ve written, is tantamount to you agreeing with the rest of my prior post.<b>mikeboll64</b>I&#039;m going to assume that is an incorrect assumption on your part, Francis.  I know it always was when you assumed the same thing in our debate.  <!--emo&amp;:)--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" alt=':)' /><!--endemo-->Other than that, you are doing a f&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72944"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/2/#post-293893" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:19:16 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Asana&#8230;You wrote:<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Then you are like the Jews that just the mere mention that God would be pleased with a Human sacrifice keeps them from accepting Jesus as Messiah<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I realize that Mike will have a different response to this statement of yours&#8230; but when I read what you wrote here, something occured to me which I thought was important&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72940"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/2/#post-293671" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:53:29 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Stu&#8230;I don&#039;t know exactly what &#8220;women&#039;s intuition&#8221; is, but here is an interesting definition for the word &#8220;intuition&#8221; by Wikipedia:<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference or the use of reason. &#8220;The word &#039;intuition&#039; comes from the Latin word &#039;intueri&#039;, which is often roughly translated as meaning &#039;to look&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-173957"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atheism/page/49/#post-293670" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:31:37 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asana wrote the following&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Francis   I only need to respond to the most provocative statementChristians say Jesus died on the cross the Quran does not disagree with the belief of the Christian it disagrees withthe information itself. There is no debate that Jesus was believed to be killed or Crucified the Quran is saying that I understand&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72939"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/2/#post-293669" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 04:46:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi StuFine.  But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?  What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it.What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then r&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-173954"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atheism/page/49/#post-293665" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:31:22 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had originally written to t8 saying that God is not the author of confusion.Asana wrote back with this:<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->That&#039;s funny you said that God was not the Author of confusion, right?Genesis 11:7&#8243;Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another&#039;s speech.&#8221;Genesis 11:9&#8243;Therefore is the name of it&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72936"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/2/#post-293530" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:17:08 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->I wasn&#039;t saying that any book shouldn&#039;t be in  the NTI said it&#039;s strange how they don&#039;t accept the Catholic churchthe original compilers of the Bible the protestants later removed 7 books deeming them unfit so much for the strictness<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi Asana&#8230;Actually the Protestants only removed those books from the Old Testament.  Not one was removed f&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-72935"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/page/2/#post-293348" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:56:27 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asana wrote&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->FrancisThe trinity was an invention that took the church by storm and so was making Jesus &#8220;GOD&#8221; There is even old literature that has been found that shows that at the time no one thought Jesus was God and that was my point the main body of Christians believe what the Catholic Church taught and then they reject the Catholic&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-73404"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/#post-293240" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:37:08 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-t8+April 18 2012,21:47--><b>Quote</b> (t8 @ April 18 2012,21:47)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe that there are other inspired books and writings outside the Bible. I do not consider the Quaran to be one of them. It opposes scriptural truth and that is the problem I have with it.I also have the same problem with the Mormon Bible, for it too introduces heresy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello t8&#8230;One could argue that all truth&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-73400"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/#post-293162" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:02:51 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-bodhitharta+April 05 2012,12:39--><b>Quote</b> (bodhitharta @ April 05 2012,12:39)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Everyone here that I know of says they cannot accept the Quran, that they follow the Bible but the strangest thing of all was given to them by People they vehemently oppose which is the Catholic Church  many if not most here have nothing nice to say about this Church and yet they trust implicitly how that&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-73398"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-strangest-thing-of-all/#post-293120" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Bodhitharta -- boycott him now in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 03:26:25 +1300</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:04:46 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys&#8230;I have been without a computer for the past couple of days because we&#039;ve been snowed in and the computer at home is not working.  I&#039;m writing this from where I work which is not something that is favorably looked upon here, but this is the first chance I&#039;ve had to let you know what is happening.I&#039;m trying to get a friend over to my&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-278406"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis-88/page/100/#post-235221" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:25:44 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed J&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->It looks like Francis decided to quit the debate with Mike.  He said proving The Truth was the goal of the debate, but it now appears that he meant only Francis&#039; truth&#033;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ed&#8230; Ed&#8230; Ed&#8230; Ed&#8230; C&#039;mon Ed, I&#039;m not quitting and I did not give you any cause to make such a statement.I&#039;m very busy&#8230; and with Mike&#039;s blessing&#8230; we both went&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-301599"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis-88/page/93/#post-234924" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:43:31 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Whoa&#033;  Are you angry, Francis?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Angry? Whaaaatttt?  Where do you get that from?  Even when you and Ed J made remarks that appeared to challenge my honesty, I was never  angry with either one of you.  Dissappointed?  Absolutely&#033;&#033;  Angry?  Never.<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Not that I&#039;m happy to hear it, but let&#039;s just say I expected it sooner or later.<&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77456"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/6/#post-234588" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:42:09 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put a response into the wrong thread, so I took it out and put it in the other thread.  Sorry.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:04:46 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->You want to know if I will acknowledge that &#8220;elohim&#8221; can MEAN &#8220;God&#8221;.  I have stated for the record that I do NOT  believe &#8220;God&#8221; to be a NAME of our Creator, but a TITLE.  And I do not believe the English word &#8220;God&#8221;, as we understand  it, to be a bonafide DEFINITION of the word &#8220;elohim&#8221;.But I have also clearly said that I can&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77454"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/6/#post-234492" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:13:28 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Francis,After wading through about a million words explaining to me how DIRECT you are, your answer to my ONE SINGLE (NOT TWO) QUESTION is, in essence:Yes Mike, there ARE those in scripture referred to as &#8220;elohim&#8221; who are neither God Almighty nor a &#8220;false god&#8221;.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It took a million words to demonstrate to you how direct I was&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77452"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/6/#post-234452" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:24:20 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;First of all, before I  go through your most recent post, I do want to say that I accept your apology&#8230; even though I have to confess that it comes across as a bit insincere to me the moment you characterized the &#8220;honesty&#8221; issue as silliness&#8230; and when you again raised the &#8220;honesty&#8221; issue by writing: <b><i>&#8220;So, PLEASE&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..just&hellip;</i></b><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77470"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/5/#post-234395" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:09:21 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for Mike and everyone else in here:Mike, I just got in and saw  the following statement from you to Keith&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->That&#039;s just a sneak preview Keith.  I&#039;ve been waiting for a trinity debate that someone doesn&#039;t run away from for a long time on HN.  I&#039;ve got ammo to spare.  <!--emo&amp;:)--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" alt=':)' /><!--endemo-->  But you&#039;ll have to wait for a response from Fran&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-363308"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis-88/page/80/#post-234269" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:34:37 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ed J&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you now understand my explanation how: what someone says can be &#039;a lie&#039;, but they themselves are NOT &#039;a liar&#039;?A classic example is: those who spread &#039;the rapture&#039; doctrine, which is &#039;a lie&#039;; but those who spread this lie are not LIARS&#033;; but merely mistaken in believing &#039;a lie&#039;.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I can see and appreciate what you are trying to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-364761"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis-88/page/77/#post-234081" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:46:06 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Don&#039;t play pretty little words games with me, Francis.  I have neither the time nor the patience for it.  And besides, I could do it right back to you.  You say I called you &#8220;dishonest&#8221;?  Show me where.  Show me where I CLEARLY said you were being dishonest.  I said &#8220;honestly AND directly&#8221;.  Maybe I was implying that you were still debati&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77468"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/5/#post-234060" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:09:52 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Jan. 21 2011,14:51--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2011,14:51)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Mike,Francis uses the English language different than most,as he has admitted to me that he uses it differently than I.&lt;!&#8211;QuoteBegin&#8211;<b><span>Francis</span></b><span>+Jan. 18 2011,05:45&#8211;&gt;<b>Quote</b> (<b><span>Francis</span></b></span><span>@ Jan. 18 2011,05:45)</span><!--QuoteEBegin-->we are not using the English language in the same way.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Let me site some examples for all the readers here&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-365435"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis-88/page/75/#post-234057" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Mikeboll64 vs francis in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:04:07 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;btw&#8230; I have a brother named Mike.  <!--emo&amp;:)--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" alt=':)' /><!--endemo-->    But he is not as smart as you are.<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->You are getting very good at avoiding points and twisting things around.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> I&#039;m sorry you feel that way, but I have to disagree.  I&#039;ve learned that it is very easy to lose focus and get sidetracked and confused during a long drawn out protracted deb&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77466"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/5/#post-233948" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Mikeboll64 vs francis in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:24:13 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;We were originally talking about Micah 5:4.  I didn&#039;t bring that verse up.  You did.  You brought up that verse because you felt that this scripture clearly lists Jesus as someone other than and lessor to his God.After showing that you were reading your bias about Jesus <b>INTO</b> Micah&#8230; we finally agreed that the Prima Facie question we&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77464"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/5/#post-233797" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Mikeboll64 vs francis in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:57:33 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230; you are at times very confusing and hard to follow.  For example:1)&#8230; you keep saying that &#8220;elohim&#8221; MEANS &#8220;judge/leader/ruler&#8221;, but that it sometimes REFERS to God and Jesus and others. But in the thread: Forum » BELIEVERS PLACE » Member Profiles » Mikeboll64 vs francis, on <b>Page 62</b>, in a post to Dennison, you wrote the fol&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77462"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/5/#post-233648" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic You cannot have 200% of anything! in the forum Inspirational writings &#038; sermons</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:47:10 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed J&#8230;<!--QuoteBegin--><b>Quote</b> <!--QuoteEBegin-->You believe: Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I&#039;m not interested in doing this any longer because we are not able to communicate.  Look what you wrote above.  This is <b>NOT</b> what I have said anywhere.    So what you wrote only proves what I&#039;ve been saying.  Our discussion is useless because you can&#039;t even understand what I&#039;ve been&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-175156"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/you-cannot-have-200-of-anything/page/9/#post-233514" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic You cannot have 200% of anything! in the forum Inspirational writings &#038; sermons</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:45:27 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed J&#8230; I already gave you my answer previously.The fact is, I&#039;m not interested in doing this anymore.   I know that you mean well, but I&#039;m having a very difficult time in understanding you, and so I don&#039;t wish to continue this disucssion any longer.Even you, on more than one occassion, have agreed that we are not using the English language in&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-175154"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/you-cannot-have-200-of-anything/page/9/#post-233503" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>francis replied to the topic Mikeboll64 vs francis in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:35:29 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike&#8230;It is clear to me that a real communication problem exists surrounding the word &#8220;elohim&#8221; and what that means and how it should be used, etc.  The problem is not only evident in here, but also in the other thread as well.In response to what you last wrote to me, I had origially written a long post asking for clarification about what&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77460"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/mikeboll64-vs-francis/page/5/#post-233498" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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