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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:47:25 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 18 2010,22:36--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2010,22:36)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Mr. B Fun,What do you make of Isaiah 61:1?  It starts, &#8220;Ruwach Adonai YHVH is upon me&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;  Do you read that as &#8220;Spirit Lord Jehovah is upon me&#8230;..&#8221;?  Would it help if you knew that in Like 4:18, Jesus read those words from a scroll in a synagogue as, &#8220;The Spirit <b>OF</b> the Lord is upon me&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;?I&#039;ve sh&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-76797"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/page/2/#post-216848" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:13:33 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,How about YHWH being the name of YHWH?</p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Christ was not created&#033;&#033;&#033;&#033; in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:04:51 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SF,Technically SF is right&#8230;..Jesus was not &#8220;created&#8221; he was &#8220;pro-created&#8221;.That is why the terms &#8220;firstborn&#8221;, only &#8220;begotten&#8221; are used.The word &#8220;son&#8221; should&#039;ve been a tip-off that Jesus is not God&#8230;who is the Father.We know that Adam was &#8220;created&#8221; because YHWH Elohim formed him out of dust.  We know that angels are called sons of God and that we&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-239981"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christ-was-not-created/page/3/#post-216637" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:17:57 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, How do you account for Ruwach Elohim? Is Ruwach a separate entity as displayed in Genesis 1:2? Or do you place Ruwach Elohim inside of YHWH Elohim, who is the other separate entity of Elohim?Why the identification of the 3 entities:  Elohim, YHWH and Ruwach?If YHWH is the &#8220;only&#8221; God, why start out God&#039;s book with a generic &#8220;title&#8221; as you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-76794"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/page/2/#post-216635" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:07:58 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 17 2010,22:07--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 17 2010,22:07)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 17 2010,08:57--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 17 2010,08:57)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I see YHWH Elohim as one of the two essences of Elohim with the other Ruwach Elohim.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi David,Well then you&#039;re &#8220;seeing&#8221; it wrong.  YHVH is the NAME OF GOD.  Elohim simply means &#8220;GOD&#8221;.  So when it says YHVH Elohim or Elohim YHVH, it just means Jehovah God or God Je&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-76793"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/page/2/#post-216633" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:57:33 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 15 2010,22:46--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2010,22:46)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 11 2010,05:51--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 11 2010,05:51)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Mike,Elohim is the &#8220;one&#8221; who is doing the creating in Gen 1:1&#8230;which you agreed to initially.  Now it seems you are changing your mind because you are changing to another topic &#8220;YHWH&#8221;.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi David,Yes, Elohim does the creating in Gen 1:1 and everywhere else in the Bible.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-76791"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/page/2/#post-216576" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:24:35 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,To tell you the truth, all I was hoping from this debate is that you could see that Elohim consists of two essences YHWH and Ruwach&#8230;and that they are part OF Elohim.I get that information from the connection of the word Elohim to their &#8220;essence&#039;s &#8220;Names&#8221;&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;Ruwach&#8221; Elohim and &#8220;YHWH&#8221; Elohim.These essences are separate individuals and&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77937"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215797" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:13:04 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,I asked this but you haven&#039;t addressed it:You asked me how the Spirit was &#8220;female&#8221; because it didn&#039;t say so in the sentence&#8230;.ME:  the word &#8220;Spirit&#8221; in Hebrew in this sentence is &#8220;ruwach&#8221;.  Following this to Strong&#039;s Lexicon the number is H7307 and spirit is a feminine noun.If you don&#039;t like using &#8220;female&#8221; I could use &#8220;feminine&#8221;, just as&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77936"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215795" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:08:52 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 10 2010,20:35--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,20:35)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 10 2010,02:09--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:09)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Man (humankind) is male and female, in the image of Elohim, no?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi David,What did God create in His image?  Human beings.  He chose for some of these human beings to be male, and others female.  This is the way God chose for us to be in order to procreate offspring.You ar&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77935"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215794" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:51:11 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 10 2010,21:07--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,21:07)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 10 2010,02:40--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:40)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Summary:Gen 1:1 shows Elohim as being &#8220;God&#8221;.Gen 1:2 shows Ruwach Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Gen 1:1 doesn&#039;t &#8220;show&#8221; Elohim as being &#8220;God&#8221; David.  &#8220;God&#8221; is the English word FOR the Hebrew word &#8220;Elohim&#8221;.  &#8220;Elohim&#8221; MEANS &#8220;God&#8221;.  We have ONE Go&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77934"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215790" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:22:50 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To address another concern in a post elsewhere:Elohim is the individual entity with the two essences, thus the plural majestic identifying Elohim (Supreme Being) as singular.  Pronoun used for Elohim is &#8220;He&#8221;.You are correct; YHWH or YHWH Elohim is the male essence of Elohim and would be addressed as &#8220;He&#8221;.Many verses talk about YHWH or YHWH Elohim&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77929"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215644" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:45:08 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,I agree, we will discuss the topic in our debate section&#8230;.see ya there.</p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:40:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summary:Gen 1:1 shows Elohim as being &#8220;God&#8221;.Gen 1:2 shows Ruwach Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim.Gen 2:4 shows YHWH Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim, or Ruwach Elohim.Gen 1:27 shows Elohim&#039;s image; male and female.</p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:36:24 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4-  YOU: Gen 2:4 NWT This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.First, this scripture doesn&#039;t even say God is a &#8220;HE&#8221;, but many other ones do.  Second, Jehovah is the personal name of God, not an &#8220;essence of Elohim&#8221;.ME:  The point I am trying to make here is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77927"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215641" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:16:56 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3- YOU:  Genesis 1:2 NIV Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.Where does this scripture say God&#039;s Spirit is a female?ME:  the word &#8220;Spirit&#8221; in Hebrew in this sentence is &#8220;ruwach&#8221;.  Following this to Strong&#039;s Lexicon the number is H7307 and spirit is a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77926"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215640" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Professor vs mike in the forum Debates</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:09:38 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike,  Thanks for responding.YOU: Genesis 1:27 NET God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.Where exactly does it say Elohim&#039;s image is &#8220;male and female&#8221; here?ME: The word &#8220;God&#8221; is Elohim in Hebrew in this sentence, so I will rewrite it replacing God with Elohim, ok?Genesis&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77925"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/professor-vs-mike/#post-215639" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic What is truth? in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:50:40 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennison,When you begin with the OT you have a solid foundation.However, when people don&#039;t want to believe the OT, and the Hebrew is changed to fit whatever doctrine a person desires, they will do the same when it comes to Greek.WITHIN Spirit Elohim is &#8220;the Spirit of YHWH&#8221; (IS 11:2). Since Spirit YHWH is part of Spirit Elohim you need to correctly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166761"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-is-truth-88/page/4/#post-215481" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:16:53 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,To those that think that Spirit Elohim is a part of YHWH how could anyone commit the &#8220;unpardonable&#8221; sin? Your way, they would be sinning against YHWH but this Scripture isn&#039;t saying that&#8230;it is saying that you can blasphemy/sin against Spirit (Elohim)&#8230;.who is a separate and distinct &#8220;person&#8221; than YHWH.Mat 12:31 &#8220;Therefore I say to you, any&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-245190"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/truth-check/page/2/#post-215479" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:09:26 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 08 2010,20:31--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,20:31)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Good afternoon Big Wave Dave,&#8221;Ruwach Elohim&#8221; means &#8220;spirit OF God&#8221;, as made clear by the 70 scholars who translated the LXX.  In Gen 1:2, the LXX uses the genetive form of &#8220;God&#8221;, making the verse in English read, &#8220;&#8230;And the Spirit <b>OF</b> God was hovering over the waters&#8230;&#8221; (Mike, please check with Ed, he&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-167770"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/page/3/#post-215477" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:26:52 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 08 2010,20:38--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,20:38)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 08 2010,12:07--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,12:07)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi David,So by your Post: you &#8220;NOW&#8221; agree that it &#039;doesn&#039;t say&#039; &#8230; &#039;and they said they created everything THRU Their son&#039; &#039;You&#039; are &#8220;clearly&#8221; reading into the text; called embellishing&#033;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi David,I agree with Ed here, and if you are honest, you will admit that &#8220;Elohim&#8221; is never&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-178269"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/page/2/#post-215471" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:18:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 08 2010,20:38--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,20:38)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 08 2010,12:07--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,12:07)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi David,So by your Post: you &#8220;NOW&#8221; agree that it &#039;doesn&#039;t say&#039; &#8230; &#039;and they said they created everything THRU Their son&#039; &#039;You&#039; are &#8220;clearly&#8221; reading into the text; called embellishing&#033;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi David,I agree with Ed here, and if you are honest, you will admit that &#8220;Elohim&#8221; is never&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-178267"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/page/2/#post-215467" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:14:35 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,I am not a Hebrew expert and could not explain everything to perfection.  Ask Ed.  He knows that there isn&#039;t an &#8220;of&#8221; in the Masoretic text.  Here is Hosea 12:5 in Hebrew and the words YHWH Elohim are together:&#1493;&#1497;&#1492;&#1493;&#1492; &#1488;&#1500;&#1492;&#1497; &#1492;&#1510;&#1489;&#1488;&#1493;&#1514; &#1497;&#1492;&#1493;&#1492; &#1494;&#1499;&#1512;&#1493;&#1475; Literal:  And YHWH Elohim the hosts YHWH remember.HaShem = the name; so by saying name in this sentence in&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-178266"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/page/2/#post-215465" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:41:52 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,What do you make of this verse that says YHWH is a man?Exd 15:3   The LORD  a &#8220;man&#8221; of war: the LORD  his name.  (KJV)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:10:33 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Ed J+Sep. 08 2010,12:45--><b>Quote</b> (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,12:45)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 08 2010,02:39--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,02:39)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mike,All of Genesis is showing how Elohim created everything,,,,which means BOTH essences of Elohim did the creating,,,<b>and they said they created everything THRU Their son</b>.  <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hi DBF,Could you show us all the &#8220;Bible verse&#8221; where &#039;they&#039; said this?Ed&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-178259"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/page/2/#post-215325" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Elohim; has two essences - male and female in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:18:42 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Baker+Sep. 07 2010,07:54--><b>Quote</b> (Baker @ Sep. 07 2010,07:54)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 06 2010,05:24--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,05:24)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hello JA,I see that you think knowing God is nonsense.The thread is short and simple and maybe someone will actually address it and disprove what the Scriptures say:Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.Elohim was&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-303294"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/elohim-has-two-essences-male-and-female/page/18/#post-215306" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:48:39 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Georg,I profess the truths of the Bible.You rant on and on yet you have not rebutted either Gen 1:2 or Gen 2:4 meaning Spirit Elohim and YHWH Elohim with any Scriptures.You don&#039;t even know &#8220;WHAT&#8221; the Spirit of God is&#8230;.male or female and call learning about God blaspemous.  Name calling doesn&#039;t further learning, does it?  I&#039;ve asserted some&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-303293"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/elohim-has-two-essences-male-and-female/page/18/#post-215305" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:12:18 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Georg,You&#039;re right, it appears that here on hn &#8220;trying&#8221; to enlighten people about the Bible is pointless.And quoting Scripture is blasphemous.Even trying to help people in &#8220;how to research/study&#8221; is forwned upon.Blasphemy is showing disrespect or irreverence to God and by denying an important essence of God/Elohim, &#8220;Spirit Elohim&#8221; you are&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250328"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/truth-check/page/2/#post-215303" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:58:42 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-Gene Balthrop+Sep. 07 2010,22:51--><b>Quote</b> (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,22:51)<!--QuoteEBegin-->David&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;The word Elohim simply means POWER in it simplest form. The First Pictorial word in Hebrew for God was the Head of an OX with a Staff along side it. The OX represented Strength or POWER, the Staff was what The leaned on for Support . Put it together it means the POWER they TRUSTED and Leaned&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250316"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/#post-215302" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:44:11 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,Even though the &#8220;true&#8221; God is Elohim that doesn&#039;t negate YHWH being that same &#8220;true&#8221; God, does it?  And it doesn&#039;t negate Spirit being the &#8220;true&#8221; God, either.  This is how the Bible can say that God is Spirit and still be true. (john 4:24)And it shows from Gen 2:7 when YHWH Elohim was actually manipulating the &#8220;dust&#8221; to form Adam and then&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250315"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/#post-215301" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:39:27 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,Point #1 &#8211; Yes &#8220;Adam&#8221; in this verse would more than likely be &#8220;Man&#8221; (mankind) because as you pointed out in another post v 28 says that Elohim blessed THEM which indicates at least 2 persons&#8230;.not one.Point #2 Elohim = YHWH + SpiritYHWH Elohim is a &#8220;part&#8221; of Elohim&#8230;..His Name is YHWH.Spirit Elohim is the other &#8220;part of Elohim&#8230;.Her Name&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250314"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/#post-215300" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:14:23 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martian,You miss a bigger point:Elohim = God      ANDEl = God    ANDYHWH is called God.You use only &#8220;God&#8221; and don&#039;t know which of these three &#8220;aspects&#8221; of &#8220;God&#8221; you are referring to.If you would stop using &#8220;God&#8221; and place the specific YHWH, El or Elohim in &#8220;God&#039;s&#8221; place you would see who is being addressed&#8230;.and understand the difference. If you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250313"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/#post-215299" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:02:45 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 07 2010,21:27--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2010,21:27)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-davidbfun+Sep. 06 2010,13:26--><b>Quote</b> (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,13:26)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why isn&#039;t Elohim the &#8220;Name&#8221; of the entity that has two essences? <b> You choose to accept the one essence, &#8220;YHWH&#8221; Elohim, as a name, which I agree with.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No David,&#8221;YHVH Elohim&#8221; is a name/title linked together.  This person&#039;s title is &#8220;God&#8221;, and His name is YHVH.Do you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250312"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/#post-215297" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Salvation for everyone in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 03:12:53 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennison,Hopefully, you won&#039;t believe what Jerry was saying.Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, &#8220;Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.&#8221; Mat 11:20 Then He began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent. Luk 13:3 &#8220;I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-245133"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-for-everyone/page/2/#post-215174" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Colossians 1:15-16 in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:58:44 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.It seems fairly clear that YHWH Elohim was performing an actual operation&#8230;..anesthesia, cutting him open, removing a rib, closing him up.  Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-69583"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/colossians-115-16/page/4/#post-215173" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Purpose for truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:26:55 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-mikeboll64+Sep. 06 2010,16:17--><b>Quote</b> (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2010,16:17)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi David,1.  Elohim means God.  Actually it is the plural form of &#8220;God&#8221; which is used to indicate that God is very majestic&#8230;..but that is a different subject.  YHVH is the personal NAME of that very majestic Elohim.  <b>Saying Elohim YHVH is the same as saying &#8220;God Yahweh&#8221;.  It lists a title along with a name&hellip;</b><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250307"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/purpose-for-truth-check/#post-215170" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:56:02 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Irene,I posted another thread to explain WHY I asked everyone to do their own word search.Since you said you didn&#039;t know &#8220;HOW&#8221; to do a word search I thought I was &#8220;helping&#8221; by giving you step by step instructions.  Knowing how to do this will help here or anytime that you need to look something up and you don&#039;t need to be able to read Hebrew&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250326"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/truth-check/page/2/#post-215147" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Elohim; has two essences - male and female in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:24:36 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello JA,I see that you think knowing God is nonsense.The thread is short and simple and maybe someone will actually address it and disprove what the Scriptures say:Elohim is translated as God in Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.Elohim was talking and said, &#8220;Let US create Man in our image&#8230;.&#8221; and He did:Gen 1:27&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-303237"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/elohim-has-two-essences-male-and-female/page/17/#post-215132" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:50:27 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-martian+Sep. 06 2010,12:36--><b>Quote</b> (martian @ Sep. 06 2010,12:36)<!--QuoteEBegin-->God is neither male nor female but he is both.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello Martian,This topic is becoming funny.  You were able to go to AHRC and do all this research but couldn&#039;t come back with WHAT &#8220;Spirit&#8221; is in Genesis 1:2.  <!--emo&amp;:p--><img loading="lazy" src="http://www.heavennet.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" alt=':p' /><!--endemo--> Even after some simple instructions in &#8220;How To&#8221;.Another person is upset that I am trying to help him l&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250324"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/truth-check/page/2/#post-215128" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Colossians 1:15-16 in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:32:32 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-gollamudi+Sep. 02 2010,05:05--><b>Quote</b> (gollamudi @ Sep. 02 2010,05:05)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi all,This passage created mess among Christian believers. The so called pre-existence of Jesus was meant by this passage can never make any difference who believes God alone can be the creator if at all He created this universe. Christianity wants Jesus to be the co-creator so that they can make God. Is this&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-69579"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/colossians-115-16/page/4/#post-215123" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Does god procreate? in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:21:09 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Jesus not create us after God pro-created him as the firstborn of all creation?Is Jesus not our Savior?  Is he not our &#8220;Lord and Master&#8221;?Did he not buy us with his blood?Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, &#8220;This is the work of God, that you believe in Him (JC) whom He has sent.&#8221; 2Pe 1:17 For when He received honor and glory from God the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-205905"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/does-god-procreate-19/page/11/#post-215121" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Does god procreate? in the forum View Points</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:14:35 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,I agree with you that we should not worship Jesus as God.Phl 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, Phl 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,  Phl 2:11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-205903"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/does-god-procreate-19/page/11/#post-215119" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:48:50 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-JustAskin+Sep. 05 2010,07:59--><b>Quote</b> (JustAskin @ Sep. 05 2010,07:59)<!--QuoteEBegin-->ha ha dbf, even here you are trying to sneakin &#039;gender&#039;&#8230;you really are something&#8230;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->JA,You are a moderator and a leader you should be able to do a word search and put the part of speech and gender. Why don&#039;t you?  I don&#039;t think that I am asking too much.  But after looking at the results, maybe I am.Kerwin&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250320"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/truth-check/page/2/#post-215115" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:38:03 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--QuoteBegin-JustAskin+Sep. 05 2010,07:59--><b>Quote</b> (JustAskin @ Sep. 05 2010,07:59)<!--QuoteEBegin-->ha ha dbf, even here you are trying to sneakin &#039;gender&#039;&#8230;you really are something&#8230;<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hello JA,Obviously only Kerwin knows how to do word research.However, you and Ed apparently are &#039;possibly&#039; the only other ones that know how to look up a Hebrew word in a sentence and find the part of speech and gender.  He&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-250319"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/truth-check/page/2/#post-215114" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:13:58 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t forget:Spirit Airlinesalcoholic beverage or &#8220;spirits&#8221;,3rd Person of the Trinity, Nothing about &#8220;parts of speech&#8221;, or &#8220;gender&#8221;&#8230;..amazing&#033;</p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:07:20 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys,This is an interesting view on how people research Bible topics and subjects and why we get such non-Biblical perspectives, no?Let&#039;s debate the rock band&#8230;.I was looking at the definition Biblically and for the Hebrew word, Ruwach.  Sorry I didn&#039;t make that clear enough.And one, again, not on topic.</p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Truth check in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:45:07 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the &#8220;Spirit&#8221; of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Spirit = &#1512;&#1493;&#1495; ruwach; Part of Speech feminine noun</p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Virgin birth in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:27:33 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello AdamI prefer the Bible over the people&#039;s opinions.I didn&#039;t see anything in Scriptures that would dispel what is written.Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, BEFORE they came together she was found to be with child BY the Holy Spirit. Regardless of whether she was a &#8220;young&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-260518"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/virgin-birth/page/56/#post-214917" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Salvation for everyone in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:17:48 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jhn 3:16   For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  Jhn 3:17   For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18   He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-53883"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-for-everyone/#post-214915" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Salvation for everyone in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:13:11 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-53882"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-for-everyone/#post-214914" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>davidbfun replied to the topic Elohim; has two essences - male and female in the forum Scriptural Teachings</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:02:53 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,You know the truth but keep posting otherwise.Look up Gen 1:2 as I&#039;ve asked for two months and you will see that Spirit is feminine and cannot be a Father.I am surprised that the people here don&#039;t say anything about the blatant disregard of the Scripture.Ruwach Elohim Gen 1:2 shows up before YHWH Elohim Gen 2:4 and is a separate person&#8230;.and a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-303234"><a href="http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/elohim-has-two-essences-male-and-female/page/17/#post-214913" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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