https://heavennet.net/members/bic/activity/ Activity feed for bic. Wed, 22 Apr 2026 21:29:25 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 872bf7bc1cb98ffe96cadad5d70eb0c8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/gods-plan-of-salvation-as-revealed-in-scripture/page/19/#post-6964 Wed, 18 May 2005 09:05:49 +1200 Jesus used several examples of trees which did not produce fruit. If a tree is fruitless, it is worthless. It is to be cut down and thrown in the fire. It is the fruit that we bear that makes us worthy of harvest.The question is whether or not God will withdraw the Holy Spirit (or perhaps it is REPULSED) once it has been given. Scripture seems to…[Read more]

]]> f1b314424b1317a93adb990a48dce448 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/physical-fellowship/#post-6963 Wed, 18 May 2005 08:48:58 +1200 Good Lord, t8, I read your post above and I had to look to make sure that it wasn't something that I had written. It only concurred with my beliefs almost exactly. I knew there had to be others with the same understanding as mine.It was that same control 'in the church' that crucified Jesus. Things haven't changed that much.Scripture confirms that…[Read more]

]]> 8b0b508e412591b83f40c08a210b0721 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/15/#post-6937 Mon, 09 May 2005 08:44:48 +1200 God is Spirit. His Spirit is Holy. Spirit is energy or POWER. The Holy Spirit is God's POWER. This SPIRIT beget MATTER and corruption entered into the world. With Spirit, there is no death. With Matter, it is inevitable.Jesus was God's first begotten (born of flesh). But God had a Spiritual 'Son' BEFORE creation. It was through this 'Son', the…[Read more]

]]> 6199b7cfefff5631321ff810f9473979 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-day-was-the-resurrection-on/page/4/#post-6936 Mon, 09 May 2005 05:13:33 +1200 Thank you, Paul, for your kind consideration and your valuable input. The time of 3:00 P.M is just an approximation and not an exact time. In order for ALL of scripture to be in agreement (and for the faithful Jewish followers to comply with the Law), they must have laid Jesus in the tomb after His death (sometime shortly after the ninth hour) but…[Read more]

]]> a73b88bf2769d1ba9e994688a23e8ba3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-heavens/#post-6925 Sun, 08 May 2005 06:07:27 +1200 There are THREE heavens referred to in scripture and these can be differentiated by the context of their use.The first is indeed the atmosphere above the earth. In this heaven, birds fly:Jer:4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.10:13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the…[Read more]

]]> e10c734f55817a9efd713e37ad9d4ddb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-day-was-the-resurrection-on/page/4/#post-6924 Sun, 08 May 2005 05:33:17 +1200 Sorry for jumping in so late. Maybe this will help.Most people are unaware that two separate Sabbaths are referred to in the Gospel accounts. The first was an ANNUAL Sabbath, one of SEVEN occurring each year, called High Days. Most of these Sabbaths could fall on ANY day of the week. The second was a weekly Sabbath, occurring every SEVEN days on…[Read more]

]]> 8c8bab4f7f249e7b84dd54a58c1b2051 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/questions-about-the-holy-spirit/page/4/#post-10007 Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:33:16 +1200 Quote Bic,I asked Nick if the Gal 4 verse was referring to Jesus' personal spirit of the Spirit, he said it didn't and that it in fact referred to the Father's Spirit that indwelt Jesus. Perhaps you should read Nick's post more thoroughly before you jump to (wrong) conclusions. I didn't really jump to any conclusions. You asked if the Father's own…[Read more]

]]> 76ab6f15b226eb7995a72f386f066816 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/faiyh/#post-6063 Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:31:34 +1200 Hi, Nick. When I started reading “The Plain Truth”, I was amazed at how I could find hardly any fault in their magazine. This was very unusual because I snorted in disgust, more often than not, at what I normally read. I requested all of their free literature (which also impressed me) and, once again, found myself agreeing to MOST of what they…[Read more]

]]> f0da85d13ca72bdc82bd0e94f2879a33 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/judgements/page/2/#post-6024 Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:30:56 +1200 Hi, Nick. In response to the seeming contradiction between Hebrews 11:5 and 11:13, there could be another answer other than the one you propose. Scripture does not say that Enoch did not die only that he did not SEE death. It says that Enoch was “no more” and that God “took him”. It also gives the number of his days as 365 years: Gen:5:23 And all…[Read more]

]]> 68298e10f465422ae2b0895f439ed6e0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/judgements/#post-6018 Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:56:37 +1200 Yes, but their bodies being raised is no different than Lazarus' body being raised. There is no indication that they were given “glorified” eternal bodies and that they ascended to heaven. Jesus performed resurrections of bodies back to physical life. Who did He resurrect into ETERNAL LIFE? I say NO ONE YET, and I believe scripture confirms…[Read more]

]]> b2322b2accc897506304934ac0d2e453 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-gift-of-tongues/#post-6017 Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:20:50 +1200 I can only speak from my experience so that is what I will do. I have had only ONE tongues experience, the second kind as listed by Nick; the kind experienced by those on the Day of Pentecost. It was in a United Pentecostal Church (one of the most POWERFUL churches in the world, I might add, speaking in terms of the Holy Spirit). Of course, I knew…[Read more]

]]> 37bdfbc3f93eff3c99010a43fc01e887 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/judgements/#post-6015 Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:40:19 +1200 Actually, I think that Is 1:18 is correct in stating that there are two separate judgments. Here is my understanding of the events to take place:Before the return of Jesus, distressing times will come upon the earth and it and the people on it will be shaken to the core. As scripture states in Matthew 24, Jesus' return will spare (from extinction)…[Read more]

]]> c89091101ba236e0e42c68a7dd1de4bc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-scripture-97/#post-160140 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:09:12 +1200 Beautiful intro, Nick and a wonderful follow-up, t8. You both spoke very well indeed.I have been receiving a “read the Bible in a year” mailing in my email that is in either the Living Translation or the Message Bible (I believe it's the first) and I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are. It is wonderful to read some of the very difficult…[Read more]

]]> af3aeaa472feac4e4ef33dece9f27a9c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/questions-about-the-holy-spirit/page/2/#post-9980 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:33:02 +1200 stroshow: It is easy to build an endless amount of false doctrines by using one or two (or even more) verses to 'prove' a point whilst ignoring many other verses which contradict said verses. For example:Luke:14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, andwife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life…[Read more]

]]> 2690c691b4e5bcfcdb369fcd7aaacc37 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/faiyh/#post-5990 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:15:49 +1200 Papaw: Welcome to the board! I tend to believe everything you posted as the beliefs of Biblical Unitarians. Originally a member of the UPC (United Pentecostals), I agreed with much of what Herbert Armstrong (founder of the Worldwide Church of God) proffered as truth. Because most of these beliefs are in direct opposition to the doctrines supported…[Read more]

]]> 6ff816eb61b1a43a83d6a253e402ccb0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/tithes/#post-5677 Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:31:18 +1300 What the religious teachers won't tell you is that the curses pronounced in Malachi are not on the laity but rather on the clergy! It was the religious leaders themselves who had profaned the offerings. Start reading in Chapter 2 and notice that God is talking to the priests (2:1). Verse 3:3 refers to the “sons of Levi”, which is the priesthood.…[Read more]

]]> 47c5bae05567855ed5eec6d096fb2414 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/lucifer/#post-5676 Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:41:31 +1300 Quote …Enki & Enlil (Sumerian deities)…Enki knew Enlil and begat Elavil…that's what I heard.

]]> 945601f7ab5285c8bbc11cec5dbc552d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/6/#post-26836 Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:44:45 +1300 t8: Is your moniker pronounced tate?…that's what I guessed. Yes, good stuff, all. Personally, I know too many people who call themselves Christians who don't come close to having the heart or spirit of Christ. Most do not accept the teaching of turning the other cheek. Most still live in (and justify) the eye for an eye system of justice. Most…[Read more]

]]> 2b84b1fa4cadefb732e07b3a75cf922f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/page/2/#post-5599 Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:40:22 +1300 Don't get me wrong, Nick, there is NOTHING that man can create that will ever come close to the wonder of God's creation. What I am speaking of, of course, is not only the heavenly bodies (the stars and even space itself) but the incredible life forms and life cycles on the earth itself. It is just too awesome to comprehend. Rivers, deserts,…[Read more]

]]> c274317e8f2a393d7a35cd62c20dacdc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/page/2/#post-5595 Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:10:26 +1300 Thanks, Nick, for your kind response. I agree with pretty much everthing that you said except the part about putting on the new OVER the old. Read the verses about new and old wine in new and old wineskins for a better understanding of why the flesh and blood bodies will not EXIST beneath our glorified bodies. In science, there are MIXTURES and…[Read more]

]]> 87d8bf3c385e5148574a5c233739de93 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-the-holy-spirit/page/3/#post-5594 Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:44:21 +1300 Quote I tend to believe that there is a trinity and that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are different persons. Jesus explained it many times by referring to the Holy Spirit as “he” and the “comforter” designating a separateness. Also, Jesus says that sins against the Father and of the Son will be forgiven, but total blasphemy against the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

]]> 067e56e480dd62745feecf0f8d4dd414 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/page/2/#post-5592 Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:44:40 +1300 Quote I cannot understand why you would believe the creator of the universe would need to design and build human forms of transportation?? For HUMANS? (Did He even NEED to create and form humans?)Quote Scripture says he went to heaven at this time and he did not need to wait around to finish his role. The word heaven, just like hell, is used to…[Read more]

]]> b6ba2015153ded5684b04e2ee7c8a0a8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation/page/3/#post-41234 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:27:14 +1300 I was saying to compare Hebrews 11:5 with those listed verses and not Matthew. Sorry for the confusion.

]]> 7112a7c41854610bf0587d693ea613c9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/page/2/#post-5541 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:19:53 +1300 MM: Quote Well this was post-ascention so I would have thought He was in heaven.Didn't Jesus appear to the disciples for 40 days after His resurrection and expound the scriptures as they related to Himself to them? It seems that He had some UNFINISHED business on earth even after His resurrection. There's no reason to think that He went back to…[Read more]

]]> 2f7b726f1d0d2c122cfb05846c54f9ce http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/5/#post-26832 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:30:11 +1300 Revelation is a tough book to understand EVEN THOUGH it is called a REVELATION. Yet, if we read CAREFULLY, we see that Jesus returns just in time to spare humanity from extinction. Even more amazing, He is coming to “DESTROY those who destroy the earth” (Rev:11:15-18; 14:19-20; 16:16-21; 19:11-21). The return of Jesus not only ushers in the…[Read more]

]]> 76b8ac0b2892133789444ae0de5798a3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/9/#post-5540 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:55:46 +1300 Quote … E.g., souls under the altar of God in Revelation…but it does appear that the dead, or some of the dead were raised up after Christ was raised. I think that most people forget that John's vision in Revelation takes place sometimes in the (possibly far) distance. Also, those bodies of the saints that rose up from the graves and were seen…[Read more]

]]> d6fd1ae108ec6aa8dff5510cf8a8d62f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/9/#post-5534 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:19:41 +1300 The inner man is that very same thing that Adam and Eve partook of in the Garden of Eden: The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It is our conscience.We are concerned with the terminology of the spirit, the body, and the soul. Let's examine 'us' from creation. First, I don't think that there is much disagreement with the body: our physical,…[Read more]

]]> 6330b82b8e5d0111f69f565bf0f3d984 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation/page/3/#post-41231 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:27:34 +1300 t8: You're taking that bit of verse out of context and you are extrapolating meaning that just isn't there. A vision is not an actual being, no more than a video image is the actual item it portrays. For example, if I see a documentary about Elvis and he is saying that he is still in the building, I know that, in reality, he is not: Elvis HAS left…[Read more]

]]> 0054a7fcabacaee60eda6f5602296470 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/page/2/#post-5526 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:21:22 +1300 Quote It is difficult to understand how the return of Jesus could be a surprise to the world if so many dramatic things happen.3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were…[Read more]

]]> 1d591f88095c8ab398fa080b80fb7930 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/5/#post-26829 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:01:53 +1300 Each and every one of these verses refers to the Judgment, whether of Israel or not. In each case, the wailing, weeping, and gnashing of teeth results from being REJECTED as the CHOSEN of God.

]]> 53c37180de2b2f994608108b09235a59 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hidden-codes-in-the-bible/#post-5524 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:50:01 +1300 Good points, all. Nick I agree with you that the Holy Spirit guides us and we need not be anxious where we tread. You answered well (as did everyone else). Sometimes I act or talk like a mother hen. However, and I am sure that you will agree, not everyone has the guidance of the HS. Many of our brothers and sisters in the Lord (and I am speaking…[Read more]

]]> bb67335a44238ddcd1c713045093c08c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/5/#post-26827 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:42:36 +1300 Quote One speaks of weeping and gnashing of teeth and that does not suggest instant obliteration.If you could spend a night on death row you would understand the anguish that is felt while one awaits their death sentence to be carried out. There is no reason to think that the wailing and gnashing of teeth happens AFTER they are cast into the fire.…[Read more]

]]> 4535985dd8e43bc160e1c252382b0270 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/5/#post-26823 Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:09:25 +1300 Would you agree that there will be mortal human beings STILL living on the earth during the millenial reign? If not, who will Jesus and the elect be REIGNING over? What nations will go up unto the house of the Lord and learn of His ways? Who will be the 'dogs' outside (liars and thieves, etc.)? Who will Satan gather up (after his release) to march…[Read more]

]]> ef7f18e46540f8bfacb2c536e10bed5d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/5/#post-26821 Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:53:14 +1300 Nick said: Quote Two of those scriptures suggest ongoing retribution rather than just instant destruction as the second death.I don't see that…can you explain what you mean? Also, what version of scripture are you quoting? The KJV says this:20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire andbrimstone, where the beast and…[Read more]

]]> a40d3c617e1da04aa67feb09a0231110 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/5/#post-26820 Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:11:58 +1300 Nick, you could be right and the devastated earth could be restored. However, Uranium-238 has a half-life of approxiamtely 4.5 BILLION years, which means it would lose only half its mass in that given time. If nuclear fallout is as widespread as one might imagine, the earth could be uninhabitable for quite some time. Of course, God's hand is not…[Read more]

]]> c69367347eaf90f1f2017d9eeb92beeb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation/page/2/#post-41227 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:58:26 +1300 First, Nick, Enoch and Elijah (and Moses, too), like all others, are still waiting for the resurrection. I know that scripture SEEMS to say that they were taken up without seeing death, but it doesn't and they weren't. There are a lot of great sites that explain this quite well (do a google search on Enoch and Elijah). If you read the faith…[Read more]

]]> 7a379827053cd7db86adb2605d5237f7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/4/#post-26815 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:01:57 +1300 Nick: In Matthew 24, Jesus says that if He didn't return when He does, no flesh would be spared. It's pretty obvious that the earth will almost be uninhabitable (i.e., destroyed) even before Jesus returns. When He returns, it will only get worse (before it gets better). It will definitely need to be rennovated, refurbished, renewed, restored, etc.…[Read more]

]]> 9606d28bef8e102b708052f6ba0c8bee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hidden-codes-in-the-bible/#post-5456 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:37:57 +1300 The general consensus of Christianity (as I know it) agrees that the books of the Apocrypha do not belong as part of scripture. From what I have read in them, this was the correct choice. If these books are not inspired of God (which I am firmly convinced that they are not), they introduce error and deception into the hearts and minds of all who…[Read more]

]]> 0043344f412da2ad8b9dbc24037d60ff http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/#post-5449 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 02:37:25 +1300 MM: I do think Zechariah can be taken literally and there is no doubt that His feet will stand upon Mount Olives and that He will return in like manner as He left. However, I think that there are many 'mysteries' (or unrevealed details) than can be extrapolated from what is given in text.For example, in your posted verses, a “cloud hid Him from…[Read more]

]]> 0694e13c0343685d94135b03b01b22f8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/4/#post-26812 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:01:37 +1300 I read Adam's post and pretty much agree with most all that he said. Did you not notice that you point out the destruction of the earth as recorded in Peter and yet Adam said that the earth would NEVER be destroyed? You then call his post excellent…I couldn't help but smile.BTW, I think Gehenna and/or the lake of fire have EVERYTHING to do with…[Read more]

]]> 323e1100020dece1f1e8d8ff961dd976 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/9/#post-5444 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:30:02 +1300 Ben E: The sun/moon allegory was not scriptural…it was just an observation…one that obviously has been noticed many times. Perhaps your assessment is more fitting.Nick The “outer man decaying” represents our physical existence. If you read the whole chapter, the context should make it abundantly clear what Paul is saying. There is nothing…[Read more]

]]> d5db102f5564202687d3f337db1a409e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/8/#post-5427 Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:38:25 +1300 The sons of thunder were James and John. Peter was not so named. The triadic 'supporter' is mistaken and his reasoning is most flawed. Might as well start looking for hidden code. This type of superstitious babble usually comes from a RC.MM: What exactly is your posting of all those verses supposed to prove? Was that the 56 others? Other what?…[Read more]

]]> 5f050d6022da451d451a2020164da1ab http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/4/#post-26809 Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:07:15 +1300 For childofthelight: (I hope its not too late) COTL, we must read carefully when reading scripture because it is easy to jump to false conclusions. Let's look at the verses you posted but CAREFULLY so:Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with…[Read more]

]]> 498e9d17b8591748ed4f85e34273524e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/hell-27/page/4/#post-26808 Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:25:25 +1300 I'm going to jump right in with my understanding of the logistics that will effect all of the events as described in scripture.Lake of fire: The earth's molten interior surfaces through many cracks in the crust (plates) and vents (volcanoes). The Great Rift Valley includes the separation of two plates extending beneath the Dead Sea. Due to the…[Read more]

]]> 35ebca6bc0b8c4dd0f37563b59e1cb7f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/7/#post-5419 Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:23:47 +1300 This will be tough covering all that has been written but I will attempt to do my best. I tend to agree with most everything that Ben Elohim has said. Indeed, soul (Hebrew: nephesh; Strong's 05315) means living being or creature. The soul can be killed or destroyed and it can perish or die. The 'soul' of scripture (in most cases) is NOT the soul…[Read more]

]]> 2f32797310d20e744cdb9bf323d80274 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rapture/#post-5415 Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:59:34 +1300 I believe you are on the right track, t8. The tribulation, which God's children will have to endure is Satan's persecution of the saints. God's bowl judgments follow the last trump and it is wicked men that will suffer these judgments from God. There is possibly some overlap between Satan's persecution of Christians and God's judgments of sinners.…[Read more]

]]> 2fd914034c1fe321359ff5e742965483 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/omiscience-does-god-know-all-things/#post-5375 Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:12:50 +1300 Thank you both and God bless.t8 said: Quote We can only speculate for who knows the mind of God?Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!Nick Hassan said: Quote Knowledge is not wisdom.Thanks for pointing that out.

]]> b53ed8a467077394631e6fb2809bbe38 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/5/#post-5374 Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:40:41 +1300 t8 said: Quote Jesus is not good only God is. That means that Jesus is not the source of good, but the recipent of it. All that he has that is good is given to him by God his Father. He was simply acknowledging that it is God who has done all that they saw Jesus do. He also said that I only do what the Father does, so he is trying to give all the…[Read more]

]]> 4409f378e7b1063ae88a471e649924ec http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/5/#post-5373 Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:35:56 +1300 Nick Hassan wrote: Quote The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. In some versions of the bible the Spirit is personified as “He” or “Him” and “His” -in fact abouit 16 times in Jn 14-16. But in fact I understand that is not correct as the word used would be better as “it”Personifying the word gives the impression that the Spirit is a person separate…[Read more]

]]> b3ff69301820ffa7ae83700d2a6d6aed http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/5/#post-5371 Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:57:34 +1300 Nick Hassan said: Quote Godlessness is punished and all who do not obey the Son…eternally. Surely this doesn't mean that you believe in the eternal torment of sinners? This doctrine is ever bit as heinous and equally pernicious as the Trinity doctrine. We have Dante Alighieri to thank for such preposterous pagan beliefs as purgatory and this…[Read more]

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