https://heavennet.net/members/Woutlaw/activity/ Activity feed for Woutlaw. Sat, 25 Apr 2026 02:03:54 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 c909c02d2ae14b137635ad57fcc30336 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-the-father/page/7/#post-45397 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:15:59 +1200 wow, I see that there are some new people here. That is great. How is everyone else? It's been a long time.Listen folks, The Father is the One and Only true God. Christ said so in John 17:3. God exalted Christ to a high position. He MADE him Lord over us. But will he be in this position forever???? read the following, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28,…[Read more]

]]> b1c2c3621b6002df16e51027bbf57d34 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/emperor-constantine/#post-160442 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:50:19 +1300 Quote (seekingtruth @ May 30 2006,03:59)I believe it was one of the worst things that has ever happened to Christianity. Not just the false doctrines, but by making becoming a Christian the “politically correct” thing to do, everyone was doing it with no real commitment or even an understanding of what true Chritianity is and this continues to…[Read more]

]]> d48ff1ea4d0c88f93fc81e7ff4153dfd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/which-religion/page/4/#post-23696 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:44:22 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 21 2006,21:04)Nick and H,What is this almost fanatical attachment to the KJV Bible?  There is NO perfecttranslation of the Bible and there are even older, more reliable original Hebrew & Greektexts available today than when the KJV was written.  H, did you check out theSacred Name Version of the KJ?  I think I gave you th…[Read more]

]]> 2dbbd7d7315d7ecdea42fca6e648e006 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-is-the-church/page/10/#post-23695 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:33:32 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 05 2006,16:09)Dear Woutlaw,You say God is not a man. Is Jesus God? Was Jesus a man? As for your 1John 5:7, I believe it should be there and it fits perfectly in God's Word. It does not contradict, but is a piece that fits perfect with the rest of scripture. Many claim it was put there to reinforce the trinity…[Read more]

]]> d99f0bc65d14f78133aa3d0c9d7bef2b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-is-the-church/page/10/#post-23652 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:00:27 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ June 11 2006,18:43)The bible tells us that God is the same yesterday, today andforever.The same should be of his church. The apostles set the churches upand though there were several, they all subscribed to the samedoctrine. Jesus gave a discription of what a believer would looklike by signs that follow them. If you…[Read more]

]]> d940ace345b4e69f922a82b2ac6a3f08 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/church-in-acts/page/2/#post-23650 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:58:19 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2006,20:05)Hi, I believe that the book of Acts shows the work of the Holy Spirit among men, and I believe that Spirit and the gifts and fruit are still available to men and are meant to be being used to show that the religion of God is one of real power unto health and salvation.I do too brother,It is so sad that many…[Read more]

]]> 13d72aeac07b140a12ec1fed2816848f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-is-the-church/page/9/#post-23648 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:33:37 +1200 Quote (typrsn @ Aug. 04 2006,19:44)Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 04 2006,16:39)Consider what you may, but consider this as well. No place does it say that if you do not speak in tongues that you have not recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Your zealousness in wonderful, but to teach things that are contrary to the word of God is not…[Read more]

]]> f6a5ff6f07d37bb10531444b315ae312 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-baptism/page/7/#post-22666 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:38:18 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 22 2006,22:53)Ken,I think we're talking about two different things here.  I'm not sure what your point is but I think I was pretty clear in saying that only GOD knows the heart and He is the ultimate judge through Christ.As a Biblical example, I mentioned  salvation came to the thief on the cross alongside Christ and t…[Read more]

]]> ff48b28693f21bbd1b433076bf57f36c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/an-invitation-to-chat/page/3/#post-22047 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:44:10 +1200 wow, Nickyour island is beautiful, when can I move in???

]]> 3faf1d18d78e5d0acb0ae49066a3cc7d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/an-invitation-to-chat/page/3/#post-22046 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:42:57 +1200 yes indeed brothers,St. Louis can get really hot. It's also a Catholic dominated town.

]]> 1d24ed67f35c8379b6c8bd09c4352659 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/31/#post-22028 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:50:31 +1200 Quote (kenrch @ July 09 2006,18:34)Qyestion: What is the “sinners” prayer for? What do scriptures like this mean?Rom 10:9  because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:  for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; “and with the mouth c…[Read more]

]]> e7a56247ec24cca5a649fb0742316eca http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/30/#post-22019 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:06:03 +1200 Quote (Dunno @ July 08 2006,02:46)Quote (Woutlaw @ July 07 2006,21:02)I am after God's truth and his truth only. If “praying Jesus into your heart” is scriptural, then amen, I will gladly accept this and admit my error.Hi! WLI do not believe that the phrase “accept Jesus into your heart” originated with my particular Post.I do believe the…[Read more]

]]> 69af36027e2c802d48e1d6f15c65947e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/30/#post-22018 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:46:11 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 08 2006,05:41)Here, here Nick & T8!We do what we can but I know God puts us in places to let the light shine.  If we are going to be cowards and not speak the truth, what good are we to God and His Son Jesus?You can put the truth out there but pride which is Satan's blindfold, will keep people from seeing it.  Remember I a…[Read more]

]]> b5f0a10074169f8932921d441ef86f38 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/3-baptisms/#post-22017 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:32:26 +1200 heiscomingintheclouds ,let me first say that I love all you brothers the same. I don't show partiality to anyone. However I don't think it is right to condemn someone for not attending a fellowship when there isn't one in their area who teaches sound doctrine. Again, the bible tells us to not forsake the gathering of believers. It also says in…[Read more]

]]> 14f507074d6b1ba686c2b4e6d39f0e1e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/30/#post-21946 Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:02:53 +1200 I am after God's truth and his truth only. If “praying Jesus into your heart” is scriptural, then amen, I will gladly accept this and admit my error.

]]> bd4bdae530f6fab59743a2c92d3111b5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/30/#post-21945 Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:00:57 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2006,01:41)Hi dunno, So where is “accepting Jesus ” written in the Word?  Does it mean believe? Does it save someone without repentance? Is this a new way?Your words”When a person accepts Jesus, something happens on the part of God. Abraham put his faith on those who were going to be born into the world. The…[Read more]

]]> 84b0d52f13b694c0f3c8351a061fb16c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/encouragment/#post-21926 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:23:46 +1200 where in the world is David anyway?

]]> 4f3b2fd010cfa587850f80c16d21f7d6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/29/#post-21924 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:18:43 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 07 2006,23:13)It is finished.what's finished???

]]> f4b3239c0b80f0687d5c71d556288ffb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/an-invitation-to-chat/page/2/#post-22007 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:03:03 +1200 WOW,I wanna move to New Zealand. St. Louis, Missouri sucks

]]> 94cc8d190ef21a2e7e6603ac51bb45c0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/29/#post-21917 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:40:32 +1200 True t8,there are gray areas or non essential issues we can have in- house debates on, but we don't and SHOULDN”T divide over them. To me saying water baptism is just an “outward sign of inward grace” cheapens it to me. That's how I percieve such statements. Many of these same people who say such are the same one's that say that all you have to do…[Read more]

]]> eb0d1e648a90f7d29e76f4c656a69e4e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/29/#post-21869 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:44:57 +1200 heiscomingintheclouds,I never said water baptism saves anyone. I don't often agree with Billy Graham but I agree with him on one statement he made a few years back at a convention he had. He said, “There are a lot of baptized pagans in Christendom.” I agree with him 100%. I will now give you an example of what I’m talking about. There was this C…[Read more]

]]> 49ab7e0cd0323b6d05248d1e3f47a27d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/29/#post-21867 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:39:14 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 06 2006,23:40)Water baptism is symbolism. Period. It should be done. Period. Will a man lose his salvation if he does not have water baptism? That is for God to decide. Period.Now brother I will agree with this state 200%

]]> f5fa6b319e2252897ebbdaede4bd8645 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/25/#post-21800 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:39:47 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 06 2006,23:35)I am disappointed in you Woutlaw. I pray the Lord open your eyes and heart. It is the blood of Christ that saves a man. It is the blood of Christ that washes away our sins. Water baptism does not save us.according to 1john 5:7 or 8 depending on the version of the bible you have, it says that there…[Read more]

]]> 8faab3ca9a73f3bb018d6d4a75b401d7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/25/#post-21788 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:28:39 +1200 My brothers, I pray that we let the scriptures and the Holy Spirit lead us instead of crafty false teachers.Heiscominginthecloud,You quoted Acts 22:16 as a spirit baptism and not a water baptism. OK I have a question for you, Why would he have to ARISE and be baptized? You don't have to get up to be spirit baptized do you?Acts 9:18 is also an…[Read more]

]]> 241aa62688d044c7ba4f4ad0544bc133 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/24/#post-21768 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:41:03 +1200 hey Guys,Look closer @ Acts 16:3333 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. The jailer washed their wounds, so that implies that water was present!!!!!!!!

]]> 46262fe8dd48da774344c0fa3c6a7284 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/23/#post-21705 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:45:04 +1200 Brothers, I don't think there are any grey areas with God. Again, with the example I gave earlier with Aaron and his sons. God commanded them to wash before they could enter the tabernacle to minister for him(GOD). If they refused to wash they would have died PERIOD. So what they were priests, so what they were jews, folks God isn't a respecter of…[Read more]

]]> 052c40949079263d9b1eb48a83582de7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/22/#post-21664 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:35:46 +1200 heiscomingintheclouds,Yes my friend, It is not our place to tell people where they are going. That's not our role. I don't care if you're a trinitarian, binitarian, Oneness, heck I don't care if you believe bobo the chimp is your God, where you go after you die is between you and the Lord. How ever the bible does make it clear that we must teach…[Read more]

]]> 4259042ac002a0316c2ed4be8d0e8753 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/21/#post-21645 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:39:25 +1200 heiscomingintheclouds,Also 1 John 5:8 says8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. We both know what the spirit refers to, The Holy Spirit.We both know that the blood refers to the blood of the lamb, Christ.What does the water refer too????

]]> 50775a28c28347ac42167bb0e829d731 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/20/#post-21644 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:34:46 +1200 heiscomingintheclouds,under what covenant was the promise made to the thief on the cross? New or Old? Let's look at this scripture providedHebrews 9:14-1814How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15And for this cause…[Read more]

]]> e9a2d8b865be36c6028375aeb3f4db91 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/repentance/#post-21198 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:03:16 +1200 Quote (t8 @ July 04 2006,03:43)John prepared the way for the messiah. His was a baptism of repentance. After this the people were to be baptised into Christ.Repentance came first. Without it, everything else is but a mere ritual.Amen t8,many in Christendom don't even preach the need for repentance. Jesus said, “unless you repent you too will…[Read more]

]]> 24d3cb310e621a2c277429fbd310b9bd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-858/page/2/#post-21195 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:45:03 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 04 2006,20:20)Woulaw, you are absolutely right.That's why I pointed out in my posts that the pastors saying this crack pot stuff have advancedseminary degrees.  It obviously hasn't helped them!  My 80 year old grandmother knewwho Jesus was and NEVER set foot in a seminary!  People get puffed up in their mindsand begin to…[Read more]

]]> 89a2856be932d09618c027e82e71c06a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/20/#post-21194 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:31:09 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 04 2006,15:12)Hey Nick & k4c,I know some members of the Way, (Biblical unitarians), also believe water baptism is obsolete.  Theyalso don't believe Christ pre-existed with his Father in heaven but only had his “beginning” in the womb of Mary.  Just like when I tell people I don't believe in the trinity, they accuse me of b…[Read more]

]]> 18f6302690fac3ae4172e6792d17e850 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/19/#post-21184 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:59:38 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 04 2006,13:15)The water baptism is telling the world, I am a new creature in Christ. I have been saved. And just as it says in Peter, it is a good conscience towards God. When we are born again, there is something that happens on the inside between the man and God and the world cannot see. When you recieve the…[Read more]

]]> c76cdaef1d3d50aabffa93ec2dc132fe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-858/page/2/#post-21182 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:54:08 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 04 2006,16:34)Woutlaw your post was priceless!!!:————————————————————————Amen seminarian,When you stand up and tell the truth about the Trinity and other heresy's, the fangs come out in full force. Ya see before I was involved with the Oneness Pentecostals, I was with the…[Read more]

]]> bb212e0f1d0427a3e5b113929be0ccc5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-858/page/2/#post-21170 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:30:43 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 04 2006,02:23)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2006,00:06)Hi S,The spirit is antichrist and that is why it causes them to oppose us. 1 Jn 4.2 gives us this test and they fail it. They say God Himself came in the flesh.Nick, the hairs are standing up on the back of my neck from what you wrote above here. This is scary.One of my…[Read more]

]]> efe9cba3084f15990fcba4cb946b73d1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/false-teachers/page/4/#post-21154 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:45:44 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ June 29 2006,18:50)Thanks Cubes & Nick,I do not belong to any church now. The church I serve clearly admits that the word “trinity” is not in the Bible.  I have not heard them teach the trinity doctrine directly but many believe in a triune God because they just don't know any alternative.  Some even believe this Oneness n…[Read more]

]]> 0a783f4b8d72c4cf5431f47941623d56 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-858/#post-21151 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:16:27 +1200 good point Nick,I think some don't want to see the truth, and others see the folly of the Trinity and Oneness doctrines(I include Oneness because it's just as big a lie as the Trinity)but are scared to question it. They are told that it is essential to their salvation. But the bible says not such thing.

]]> 1586630a34783900fa5e97d804dd88c5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/acts-2028/#post-21150 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:56:24 +1200 Brakah isn't a person,its hebrew for blessings. This response to Acts 20:28 and the other one on John 8:58 are part of an ongoing debate i'm having with an elder in a Oneness Pentecostal Church I used to attend. I thought I would post these to possibly help someone else.

]]> 1d4f9153c9a3306fa2ee4523178bb29e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-858/#post-21148 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:47:46 +1200 Quote (seminarian @ July 04 2006,00:02)Here, here Nick & T8!!!The point is as T8 saw, you can not be the ORIGINAL and the image at the same time.  Image means copy or even reflection that mirrors the original.  Guys, I'm more and more convinced every day that the trinity is Satan's biggest lie and the deception is so blinding that people will n…[Read more]

]]> ff37dd35bccea6fa51bd4b27b627e2c7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-johannine-comma/#post-21142 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:37:22 +1200 The KJV isn't perfect,It isn't even a new translation. It is just a mere revision of the Bishop's bible. I use it primarily because of the Strong's features. But it isn't perfect. I think it is for the most part a well balanced translation. Just my 2 cents

]]> 199a83c301427c10f9b9eae28e096728 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/19/#post-21129 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:28:49 +1200 heiscomingintheclouds,What is water baptism then? is it just an outward sign of inward grace? if it means nothing, then why would the Lord and his apostles command it?

]]> b9f559c1b1c85cad99d3ae1ff8ca62f0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-defense-of-king-james-vi-i/#post-42231 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:22:54 +1200 Amen, Now I use the KJV because of its Strong's #'s feature, which give me the ability to look at the original words to gain insight on its meaning. I don't exclusively use a KJV. I toggle between the KJV, NKJV, and the NIV. None of the translations are 100% error free.

]]> 91725feb07bdb0a784af7d74b213802b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-great-apostasy/page/10/#post-41061 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:21:44 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2006,00:18)Hi,The unity that the body of Christ shares is the unity of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that gives life to the Body with the head already in heaven and the rest of the body doing his work on earth. The branches serve the vine.I discovered the bible when in the Catholic Church and my study of it led me to…[Read more]

]]> 20d82d77701cf98a490c66b392a71a7f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/unity/page/4/#post-14647 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:37:44 +1200 Quote (Scripture Seeker @ June 06 2006,22:48)Hi Nick,You have a great love for Gods word and this is great.But sorry I have to disagree, we can all pick and choose scriptures that show Jesus the WORD of God becoming flesh and humbling himself to take every single sin away. These arguments are weak because they DON'T look at Jesus before he…[Read more]

]]> b01d5cae751b365638772716da406682 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-trinity-doctrine-unsound/page/2/#post-14646 Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:28:51 +1200 Brothers,The bible makes it very clear that there is only ONE TRUTH. The sad fact is that in Christendom today there are hundreds of truths. let's look at some scriptures.1 Timothy 4:16, “watch your life and doctrine closely, persever in them, for if you do you will save yourself and your hearers.”Titus 2:1, says, that “we must teach what in…[Read more]

]]> a49218898ddc311412778157af180498 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-water-baptism/page/4/#post-14493 Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:54:59 +1200 But not to worry Nicky the Protestants have the basics in order to be saved. so even if they convince you of their beliefs you will still enter the Kingdom (Mat. 5:19).Kenrch,I absolutely disagree here. Protestants lie and say that all you have to do is pray Jesus into your heart.Where in the bible does it warrant this? please tell me. I've been…[Read more]

]]> 52552657ebbf4944f05ff4d4faaf0254 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-trinity-doctrine-unsound/#post-14492 Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:47:11 +1200 Heiscomingintheclouds,I too rejoice in the fact that I have brothers and sisters in Christ who know the word and the truth. My friend you have bothers and sisters all over the world. It is my prayer that God will continue to raise up vessels of truth the world over.

]]> 114b6837cefd8f86c04f376f72ea1ce5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-the-trinity-doctrine-unsound/#post-14490 Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:43:18 +1200 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ June 03 2006,16:27)You do not know how refreshing it is to meet brothers and sisters in the Lord who know the word of God. So many are still held captive under the yoke of the trinity doctrine, which was created by the catholic church to justify their stand on the deity of Mary. Something else to think about is the…[Read more]

]]> c2990dd2481790c593739725479bd01b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/21/#post-26160 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:09:19 +1200 Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 03 2006,00:56)Quote (Woutlaw @ June 02 2006,16:08)Folly begets folly. Trinitarians say that the Godhead is a mystery. The bible says it's not, Romans 1:20. Who are we gonna believe????Hi Woutlaw,Its funny the way you do that, strongly reminds me of the school bully's side kick who stands behind him in confrontations with…[Read more]

]]> 67fbf59cfe3a2c8fefc9b35d2fa0a205 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/21/#post-26159 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 06:58:30 +1200 Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 02 2006,21:08)Is 1:18 wrote:Quote Hi WIT,In addressing a lot of points you raised in your post I would just be recycling and emphasising previous statements I have made. I don't think arguing in circles is going to be productive for either of us, and I have said all I think I need to, so I’ll leave those matters as they a…[Read more]

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