https://heavennet.net/members/WhiteMateria/activity/ Activity feed for WhiteMateria. Wed, 22 Apr 2026 21:29:25 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 4b63b799d27337e89ae5a99f30dff368 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/im-thinking-about-joining-this-church/page/2/#post-19171 Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:00:18 +1200 We would never joke about that which offers us pure and precious truths.

]]> 5ebaab597c98b502bbd95eb83d24fa82 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/im-thinking-about-joining-this-church/#post-19169 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:12:58 +1200 My wife learned the dangers of 'Satan's little cotton fingers' known as insertable tampons. Now she only uses maxi-pads with little angel wings. 😉

]]> 906bbc591946b35602626764db6471e2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/im-thinking-about-joining-this-church/#post-19168 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:09:26 +1200 My family and I are still considering joining this church. We feel it shows many precious precious truths which are infaulable and a stand firm in today's faultering society. May these precious precious truths forever remain in our hearts.

]]> 34a11903d0254fca36393b5847ff9a20 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7724 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:13:50 +1200 LOL I'm not that ignorant to believe God's Word is entirely truth. I have grown up beyond that stupid belief.

]]> 2311ce096162eb498e6bc72c2cd417ba http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nick-and-others-who-believe-what-this-site-says/#post-22251 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:37:24 +1200 Besides whats wrong with this church?

]]> 79dfea75864a8a2a7735f8522d53882f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nick-and-others-who-believe-what-this-site-says/#post-22250 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:36:47 +1200 Oh yeah!

]]> 1777595ce2687a3b663aba272b224543 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nick-and-others-who-believe-what-this-site-says/#post-22248 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:27:42 +1200 See for yourself.

]]> 3bd20d75b9b4d56318a3d12080668710 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nick-and-others-who-believe-what-this-site-says/#post-22246 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:09:05 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2005,00:58)Hi, Do you represent the attitude and views of Landover Baptist? It is certainly an interesting”church”It is a most awesome church!

]]> e32787ae67150d3256b6207c0b804dc7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7721 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:55:52 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2005,00:31)Quote (WhiteMateria @ July 12 2005,00:23)Your disbelief and taking of only part of the Word does not impress me at all. Since you love to skip alot of questions that does not impress me ethier. One day you may wake up and open your heart but for now its closed no matter what.Hi W, You seem to be lost in…[Read more]

]]> 6c3a6e1bd280cbe0a3fa192ad1691839 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nick-and-others-who-believe-what-this-site-says/#post-22244 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:32:52 +1200 http://www.watchtower.orgI said fixed link!

]]> fa9718730a6d6a4c9626283448f9319e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nick-and-others-who-believe-what-this-site-says/#post-22243 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:31:51 +1200 http://www.watchtower.orgFixed link!

]]> 962699ab0e3c73697c7ac7ecc77222b4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7716 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:23:13 +1200 Your disbelief and taking of only part of the Word does not impress me at all. Since you love to skip alot of questions that does not impress me ethier. One day you may wake up and open your heart but for now its closed no matter what.

]]> d5548c9e71091fac6762b3e5fd53b746 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7715 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:21:55 +1200 It is ethier heaven or hell.. What else is there?

]]> 1bfd820750552bbdb0c293323bdb0a5e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7712 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:01:07 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2005,00:00)Quote (WhiteMateria @ July 11 2005,23:55)You obviously did not read the entire posting son. Jesus says you shall only worship God. God says you shall only worship God. The angels worship Jesus… you have not even addressed the question.Hi W, Perhaps you may find understanding in the worship Forum.Was God…[Read more]

]]> c63e5622ad913f5b698834d7138dcfa3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7709 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:56:12 +1200 And what did Jesus have to say about this? What does his Word reveal?Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and…[Read more]

]]> 7da849a3369a6702cd278b41c6107629 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/21/#post-7708 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:55:41 +1200 You obviously did not read the entire posting son. Jesus says you shall only worship God. God says you shall only worship God. The angels worship Jesus… you have not even addressed the question.

]]> 6b88b8359a29631bf91dfe1691da0d33 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/20/#post-7706 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:22:00 +1200 bump

]]> 5da0af96228c3ddd53c1360ab4be909e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/20/#post-7705 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:16:04 +1200 And what did Jesus have to say about this? What does his Word reveal?Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and…[Read more]

]]> c52fadf673a4b4aeab1c6e543bd5e689 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/20/#post-7698 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:14:37 +1200 Therefor I don't need to consider…”what it means to worship God vs what it means to worship anyone else.”Worship is worship no matter how you do it. To worship another God apart from the true God is wrong so saith God and not myself.

]]> fd2614252e6f886d12ad0aec1ab99e41 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/20/#post-7696 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:12:26 +1200 Quote (WhiteMateria @ July 11 2005,17:56)You are missing the mark.Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name Jealous, a jealous God:It does not matter how we worship Jesus Christ – If he is another God worshipping him as even the Son of God is still wrong! You have been warned against this!What I said was clear…[Read more]

]]> f7d26a40838f25124cecaa8ddf7d0428 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/20/#post-7694 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:56:23 +1200 You are missing the mark.Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name Jealous, a jealous God:It does not matter how we worship Jesus Christ – If he is another God worshipping him as even the Son of God is still wrong! You have been warned against this!

]]> 1e413fb37c7404bcc889320bb7f64ea4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7692 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:43:58 +1200 But now you understand why I don't believe in the full Word of God?God said to worship only him.Jesus said to worship only God.Then angels worship Jesus who is God so that does not counterdict.Then Jesus says that God says that men will worship men and that surely does counterdict. Such a verse actually goes against the whole Christian community…[Read more]

]]> 662763f81af3fd3ecad47437a9777ec0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7691 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:36:07 +1200 My questions still stand firm to Nick and everyone else.

]]> 4eaee59afbadd020caa2fbed27bf4247 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7690 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:34:21 +1200 With that being said it still does not account for why Jesus is worshipped. Oh sure Jesus could be part of God and we be part of Jesus as his body and thus when God is worshipped – Jesus is worshipped and we are worshipped… But the arguements against me is that Jesus is 'another God' and we know that 'any other God' should not be worshipped…[Read more]

]]> b39e932f141cb7d668a217e6b4805316 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7689 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:31:09 +1200 Now it could be that as we are part of the body of Christ and since Christ is worshipped as God himself then this is what is meant by we are worshipped as well. Since we make up his body.

]]> 20c691635c05c2c33860d72b0c1b7e5e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7688 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:29:40 +1200 That is to say for the most part the Bible is in agreement with itself but in some cases there are just things that go against itself. It is clear to see that YHWH God is the only God to be worshipped. Yet Jesus Christ is the only begotton God of God and is also worshipped. What is the deal? Well that is very simple and the answer must be he…[Read more]

]]> 18b91edf7c4710559d40fd5ba8cf34f7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7686 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:24:30 +1200 Ah but God said not to worship any other god. If Nick says Jesus is also a God himself then this would be counterdiction. Since the Church of so and so is not God we find this as not going against God's word and yet it is so counterdicting everything God establishes in his word. It is things like these that allow me to look at the Bible with doubt.

]]> 2addd0d9a72c78d353039d9455367097 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7684 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:18:16 +1200 But back to the issue at hand… What evidence is there to show that we shall be worshipped at all?

]]> 19a1ec2e4cffe94034fad71451166b62 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7682 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:17:02 +1200 Further explain that I used to be a Christian but do not believe in it 100% therefor I cannot be considered a full and true Christian. So I rightfully opt to not be a Christian. After all one does not believe in God with only 90% of their hearts do they?

]]> 8b960744a887bd4bd54a057e6f0493ab http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7681 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:15:18 +1200 Quote (Cubes @ July 11 2005,17:13)Hello Whitemateria:You said you used to be a christian and are now no longer a christian. Are you reconsidering becoming a christian again?Do you believe any portion(s) of the Word of God?Are you an atheist or do you hold to some other belief?I believe that some higher power exist. But I do not believe that…[Read more]

]]> 1148d25b77bd6b59356b82b26ee58012 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/19/#post-7679 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:12:52 +1200 You are forgetting…Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name Jealous, a jealous God:And if we are to honor Jesus Christ any differently we have not honor him as the father.No doubt we shall be worshipped, as kings of the earth… but does that mean that our glory shall equal or eclipse the Son's or His Father's?…[Read more]

]]> 87c54df8b14ca732c1d75454241359a5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7676 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:30:05 +1200 And what did Jesus have to say about this? What does his Word reveal?Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and…[Read more]

]]> c06c757b8d42b6ef629f1614c6c4c0cb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7675 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:28:31 +1200 Jesus will write on there 'The First and the Last' as his own God and 'The First and the Last' as his new name. Whatever he writes it will be the same.

]]> 8e12bcc0859468cbb0e89b1b810b8423 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7674 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:24:47 +1200 Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am…[Read more]

]]> 84e48e899a135e77f29b8548859b3708 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/virgin-birth/#post-151349 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:53:30 +1200 It may not be clear that Mary was a virgin when it happened but what is clear that it was not another man's seed that impregnated her.Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband,…[Read more]

]]> 12f53fd51c1ab072cb3e8c36844bcd20 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7672 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:43:38 +1200 I am going to take away one of your arguements before you post so that you cannot use it and it shall make sense why I did it.You might argue that God has his own angels who worship him and Jesus has his own angels that worship him and neither worship both so therefor we should not worship both. The passage states that God's angels worshipped…[Read more]

]]> 33be0822a90212fa91bd07d4718a971a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7671 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:36:37 +1200 And what did Jesus have to say about this? What does his Word reveal?Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and…[Read more]

]]> 21ab0cb5b9ee8bdb7529d1cd89418564 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7670 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:20:43 +1200 Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.If we are to be like angels in heaven what is to not say that we will not worship…[Read more]

]]> 5bc512f788414404287e9df9a07fbc17 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7661 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:23:51 +1200 John 1:1 of the New World Translation states….blah blah blah blah, and the Word was a god.Are you sure you don't want to become a Jehovah's Witness? They believe Jesus was 'a god'.

]]> 1fad70898920b238fad62e650e4c4fbb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/18/#post-7660 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:21:38 +1200 If the angels can worship him why can't we?Jesus is God incarnet and therefor he is worthy of worship.

]]> 608e1612bf41ac81814273f0d351fba7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7657 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:39:53 +1200 1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that…[Read more]

]]> 83e4b009f350d841e7be66aef3d5bac4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7656 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:32:38 +1200 Quote (WhiteMateria @ July 11 2005,06:31)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2005,06:28)Hi W, For us there is ONE GOD ..and One LORD Jesus Christ.Is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God? So he is separate from the Father who begat him? So how can he be another deity? It is you who say he is not us. We say as scripture does,he is “the only begotten…[Read more]

]]> ece229576fbdde9458b7b7cfa90ea715 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7655 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:31:15 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2005,06:28)Hi W, For us there is ONE GOD ..and One LORD Jesus Christ.Is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God? So he is separate from the Father who begat him? So how can he be another deity? It is you who say he is not us. We say as scripture does,he is “the only begotten God who was in the bosom of the Father”.…[Read more]

]]> 56441c07a33052acd4d4e295fcc2ade0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7653 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:27:25 +1200 Quote (WhiteMateria @ July 11 2005,06:25)Is the son 'The Mighty God' as the Bible claims? Is Jesus Christ 'a god' himself?This is not saying he is of a divine nature but that he is in fact 'The Mighty God' just as it saysDid I ask if we called him Lord or not? No!I asked if he is 'The Mighty God' and there is a difference between God and Lord.Is…[Read more]

]]> 2cb992321ee2118a96fc53a914a7c1e2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7652 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:25:49 +1200 Is the son 'The Mighty God' as the Bible claims? Is Jesus Christ 'a god' himself?This is not saying he is of a divine nature but that he is in fact 'The Mighty God' just as it says

]]> dda9265c9ac43e61a4a2cbeb7e35cd65 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7650 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:19:07 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2005,06:14)Hi W, Then speak with him not us. He said he was the Son of God. I believe that though many others call him a liar and say he was the Father of the Son of God in disguise. Your call there.Indeed Jesus did say he was the Son of God yet God said he would be called a Mighty God and The Everlasting Father. Whom…[Read more]

]]> 075da24b6402bca08a1762be8b76a130 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7648 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:08:36 +1200 Quote (WhiteMateria @ July 11 2005,06:04)And this one?Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.So if Jesus is someone else that would make him a 'Mighty God' and…[Read more]

]]> b12d45920286e05496276d21f515b48c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7647 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:04:35 +1200 And this one?Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

]]> 0b9dac85934005220b5ce716a0cf9bd8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/17/#post-7645 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:01:14 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2005,05:59)Hi, I agree. God did it. But God chose a vessel to work through as He likes to do. He chose to do his work through His Son and then he continued that Work after the Son was risen through those who were in His Son.And the reason for the angels worshipping Jesus is?

]]> 78c5d2b2ce1b575157ab731506fe58d1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/16/#post-7643 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:59:14 +1200 Then answer me this.. Why do these angels worship someone other than God?When you figure that out let me know… Do they have a valid reason for this worship? Does it make Jesus another 'god' when that happens? If I were to worship a stone or a rock would it not be in a sense 'another god'?

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