https://heavennet.net/members/WhatIsTrue/activity/ Activity feed for WhatIsTrue. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 510d306fab57295646793d1988c94f79 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/4/#post-313359 Tue, 18 Sep 2012 04:34:43 +1200 If you don't think child marriage is morally acceptable, then we have been wasting a lot of time here.  My goal was not to attack Islam.  It was to attack the idea that child marriage could ever be legitimate.  In my opinion, it can never be.Quote Now let me ask you this if a little child was an orphan and the country you lived in had no such th…[Read more]

]]> 8b0d36008cf75a8875c226fecb343d04 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/page/4/#post-313345 Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:50:40 +1200 Tim,Apparently, Ed is greater than Abraham, because God could ask Abraham to kill, but is incapable of asking Ed to do so.Wait!  Maybe Ed is more powerful than God, since Ed apparently sets the terms of their relationship.

]]> 402a8cad702b194a8e1353e7787c646b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/page/4/#post-313279 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:31:07 +1200 Why not, Ed?

]]> 389558732b2f90318d2ff132970fb130 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/4/#post-313278 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:30:00 +1200 Fine.  Under Islamic law child marriage may not be slavery, but in practice, (i.e. culturally speaking), it generally is.However, even if divorce is allowed, subjecting a child to a sexual relationship is still inherently abusive, because a child is not mature enough to be in a sexual relationship with anyone – much less a much older male.(If you…[Read more]

]]> 4b0532644ff8adfeeb996be29ab550a3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/page/4/#post-313273 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:16:06 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,09:33)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 17 2012,13:32)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,23:46)Hi WIT,Your question is like what is like to walk on the sun? That can't happen, so your 'what if' question is invalid as you would apply it to me.OK, Ed, I'll accommodate your nonsense.Why was Abraham's willingness* to kill Isaac acceptable?a)…[Read more]

]]> 102683bb256f06ff10057dad25a2d1d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/page/3/#post-313256 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:32:24 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,23:46)Hi WIT,Your question is like what is like to walk on the sun? That can't happen, so your 'what if' question is invalid as you would apply it to me.OK, Ed, I'll accommodate your nonsense.Why was Abraham's willingness* to kill Isaac acceptable?a) Isaac was genetically polluted, so killing him was justified.b) God…[Read more]

]]> 3824f895a4f1e9d9d4bdceb654f965ed http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/4/#post-313254 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:20:11 +1200 bodhitharta,You continue to amaze me – not in a good way!Are you really incapable of seeing the difference between a marriage that is forced on a child – a permanent choice that the child will have to endure for the rest of her life! – and making your child go to school so that she will one day become independent of you?Let me spell it out for…[Read more]

]]> 988e8aa318e3c909c8c9a8e7887c74da http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/page/2/#post-312974 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:48:32 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,16:33)Hi WIT,No dodge, God wouldn't tell “ME”(Ed J) to kill anyone.My question to “YOU” was – how would those in your scenario know if it was God telling them to kill or if it was satan telling them?    It you instead that is dodging my question to you  –  so please answer.Really, Ed?You think that by not answering my…[Read more]

]]> caceced2a4f2a0480eeac82ad0b3e326 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/page/2/#post-312924 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:11:34 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2012,22:42)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 15 2012,00:42)Ed,So you would not “kill if God told you to”?Hi WIT,How would you know if it was God doing the talking and not satan?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)Nice dodge!My actual question was:So you would not “kill if God told you to”?I didn't ask you about voices, or visions, (or…[Read more]

]]> ab435813fe949783e007d26bee53376f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/#post-312831 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:42:03 +1200 Ed,So you would not “kill if God told you to”?

]]> 7e8f2688682e666244fa74aab4331d86 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslim-shoe-on-the-other-foot/#post-312800 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:07:00 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2012,02:31)You would not Kill if God told you to? If you would not then you are not a believer.You have to admit, Ed. He's got a point there!I'm going to add that to my list of quotes about why religion is harmful.  It's a much more blunt version of Steven Weinberg's quote:”Good people will do good things, and bad…[Read more]

]]> 8e1e90d4f1e4e0df0071a48e10a0db67 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312799 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:02:22 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2012,02:25)As your own view that Child Marriage equals Slaveryhow could it equal slavery anymore than any other type of Marriage?I define slavery as involuntary servitude – emphasis on involuntary.It is a fact that the vast majority of these child marriages are forced arrangements, (i.e. the child has no say in it…[Read more]

]]> 46553845c07620fb090b65feee88c649 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312742 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:18:12 +1200 bodhitharta,First of all, I said nothing about my opinions on any of this until after you made your comments that included the image that you introduced into this discussion.Secondly, how does “ perverted and wrong for an older man to marry a child and the reason is 'sexual abuse'” equate to “the image of an older man banging on an underdeveloped…[Read more]

]]> 1100d5b6dd160c1d7bf8118f2af0b454 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312652 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:30:59 +1200 Quote Morality comes from YHVH.Who apparently can't make up his mind from one generation to the next about what is right and what is wrong.Oh well. Perfection is so hard to maintain!

]]> 06cb75fc44e5b1ea4ad15fa93dfc0775 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312613 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:22:07 +1200 By the way, Ed, are you suggesting that morals are relative and not absolute, (e.g. allowing for different ethical standards in different time periods)?

]]> d112b40c0b80ff1225edd5a2af69f7f0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312610 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:16:41 +1200 Ed,OK, I'll consider it.According to the bible, Israel was intended to be a shining light on a hill for all the world to see how good “God's” ways were versus the “ways of man”.  If slavery was part of that shining example – and it was – then I'd have to mark the whole thing down as a really bad example of how a “godly” society should behave,…[Read more]

]]> 7d74ab2a93e63a35e041c644ac0dcb71 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312555 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:53:14 +1200 Ed,Got it.The bible is filled with bad laws that made it necessary to amend it, just like the US Constitution needs amendments to correct the mistakes and oversights of the men who originally wrote it.Hhhmm, I wonder if that means the laws in the bible were really just written by ancient men with an ancient understanding of morality?Nah, it's more…[Read more]

]]> 35dce998a0f283abc82e40faa116862e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rape-in-the-bible/#post-312554 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:47:43 +1200 Ok bodhitharta, if you want to play dumb, I will accommodate you – for now.Let's do some good old fashioned exegesis!What happens to a woman, who is married or engaged, who willingly has sex with someone who is not her husband?  And what happens to the man who sleeps with her.Deuteronomy 22:22:If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, [Read more]

]]> aed796a4adf46b45eb6b648b4e142dc1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/3/#post-312548 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:01:59 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:08)Preventing outbursts in an assembly is hardly abusive, why would you think otherwise?Preventing outbursts or silencing women?If this passage is about “prevent outbursts”, why does it read, “Let your women keep silent…” as opposed to, “Let no one speak out of turn …”, or something along those lines?You're not…[Read more]

]]> 7358b87a58788a79cdcc2324b6b1008c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/2/#post-312542 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:37:26 +1200 bodhitharta,Nice try, but you need to address the following before we continue discussing anything.You wrote:Quote Then you lied and said the image of an older man banging on an underdeveloped infant never crossed your mind and of course it did if it didn't you wouldn't assume it to be the case.I responded:Quote Before you accuse someone of lying,…[Read more]

]]> 7bb249f6078004a115550142027f7c1e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/2/#post-312432 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:18:19 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,00:59)Hi BD,Islam is abusive to human rights as it condones slavery and is abusive to the desires of women. (see Daniel 11:37)The same could be said of Christianity and the bible.  (See Leviticus 25:45-46 and 1 Corinthians 14:34.)

]]> eec08d85f3cf2d599b0c1d06a7d0b025 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/2/#post-312429 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:04:12 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2012,10:01)First of all I did answer your question but you did not tell me what you think of the Biblical verse that condones it.The bible is no better than the Koran.  What difference does it make what either one of them says about ethical matters?Quote There is no such shame on me and you haveyet to prove anything…[Read more]

]]> 0d7bfc2ba507e888db3794ebfd1ef783 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/page/2/#post-312365 Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:12:17 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2012,00:28)There is nothing to condone or condemn the fact is it is not forbidden in the Bible and in-fact the Bible suggests it is fine.Numbers 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. This is not in the Quran so you see any true BIBLE BELIEVER cannot…[Read more]

]]> 5d23ef9d319b6961425ab70ab2f04a1c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/#post-311767 Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:17:11 +1200 Princess,Bodhitharta is only interested in defending what the Koran teaches, so the idea of role-reversal will go right over his head.  He can only see as far as his Koran will allow him.  Unfortunately for him, that means his worldview is stuck in the 15th century.

]]> b7fb6bfcf0ea2ad03c425b720301bd0a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rape-in-the-bible/#post-311766 Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:11:42 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2012,06:47)Tis is not really about rape it is about seduction if you would have honestly read it says that if a man takes a woman and she does not scream out then the man shall be obligated to be with her it says when a woman has been taken by force with evidence of shouting for help the man shall be put to death.Are…[Read more]

]]> 570f227c4374b2f5b1f3ed3935505c3c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/#post-311695 Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:52:50 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2012,05:01)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 01 2012,00:42)bodhitharta,For the record, are you condoning child marriage as a reasonable practice in this day and age?The problem here is you are thinking of sex and not marriage, marriage and sex are two different things entirely and as far as sex goes  two children are married…[Read more]

]]> 7949316dc736225c0f9920846281b957 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/muslims/#post-311251 Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:42:48 +1200 bodhitharta,For the record, are you condoning child marriage as a reasonable practice in this day and age?

]]> f72591128c434e67997bd621a86a68dd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/rape-in-the-bible/#post-311213 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:21:40 +1200 Devolution,You say:Quote Having lost her virginity, she would have been deemed undesirable for marriage—and in the culture of the day, a woman without a father or husband to provide for her would be subject to a life of abject poverty, destitution, and social ostracism.That's odd.  Then why did “Moses” see it necessary to include the following la…[Read more]

]]> f38862a08884fb5e7eb58ffcc03976d7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/15/#post-308645 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:15:37 +1200 Ed,Nobody came to my house either.Listen.  The bottom line is that the more I dug into scripture, the more it revealed itself not to be true.  It's the exact opposite of what I was expecting when I started my search.  I had been taught my whole life that the bible was holy, just and true, but when I actually studied it – with no preconceptions ab…[Read more]

]]> 81b6186b84392f939ac4455c4560218e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/15/#post-308556 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:10:05 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 08 2012,09:45)Hi WIT,Maybe you did hear from God, but you didn't recognize it was him. I'll go back and check my phone messages.  It must be in there somewhere!Oh no!  I wonder if “God” tried to text me before I had that service added to my phone?!?!?  Or maybe he fat fingered my email address.It's too bad he lost his voice, an…[Read more]

]]> ba0d6abcb344f89d1f13af010a17e24a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/15/#post-308487 Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:34:22 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 07 2012,06:01)Hi WIT,Maybe I can answer in behalf of God – what do want to know?Who really killed JFK?Seriously Ed, you're asking me to trust that whatever you say is a message from God?  Really?In any case, you're dodging the issue.  Do you have an explanation for why this god, who you say responds to anyone who calls out to h…[Read more]

]]> 4f6af66c44bafe69929f8bf68a647eb7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/15/#post-308336 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:38:58 +1200 I'll be singing that one at Christmas time, for sure!  

]]> f18d94194f8aa20dcdda2acd3a0f1265 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/14/#post-308315 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:58:07 +1200 Hey Tim,How's the list of RSVPs coming? Or all the gods (including Ed's favorite) playing shy?

]]> e957acfbf3080d889a1937f36031518b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/14/#post-308314 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:55:26 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,03:30)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2012,05:29)Yes, Ed, but did you earnestly call out to Jupiter and acknowledge that you were a lowly, unworthy mortal before him?  Did you empty yourself of the pride that you could live your life without Jupiter and fully submit yourself to the possibility of him ruling over your…[Read more]

]]> b55da942ee0b7de05b36431f33d6b2ee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/13/#post-307974 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:40:03 +1200 Stu,If you really want be scientific about it, you should compile a list of all of the plausible gods – I know, I know   – and then call out to each one of them.  Then, you could keep a running tabulation on which ones get back to you and when.  This could be groundbreaking stuff!I can imagine the headlines now:“Scientists Finally Determines Wh…[Read more]

]]> b40a5474393fa9a095f076b4dfb89e15 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/13/#post-307973 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:29:28 +1200 Yes, Ed, but did you earnestly call out to Jupiter and acknowledge that you were a lowly, unworthy mortal before him?  Did you empty yourself of the pride that you could live your life without Jupiter and fully submit yourself to the possibility of him ruling over your life?If not, well, it really doesn't count, does it?(Unless, of course, you…[Read more]

]]> d1d7e6e74311125bbf73d1d0b03669bc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/10/#post-307132 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 02:24:47 +1200 Ed,I had no idea that you were a pantheist!Who knew?  (Not me!)

]]> 4152d98c31e62f2d6f6897f8a0b9641c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/10/#post-307063 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:57:03 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,10:22)Hi Wit, I DIDN'T ask you…(which would have been an answer this question)“In what state was the universe in just after it's creation?”Here's something to consider Ed:Just because you don't understand the answer doesn't mean that I didn't understand your question.Did you click the link and read the first few…[Read more]

]]> 02864eb49f2b2d0e212f1f188c93e340 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/9/#post-307015 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:43:56 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,04:47)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 25 2012,00:51)You ask where the energy came from to which I respond, (1)”It didn't 'come from' anywhere. (2)It already existed in some form or another at the beginning.”(3)In fact, as you point out, the science is quite clear on this issue: nothing was created in the Big Bang; (4)the nature…[Read more]

]]> 9b5f305a473a95e08f2757e21e6d651d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/9/#post-306902 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:51:44 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,10:45)Hi WIT,Simple – because Science is certain that the universe had a beginning.       now please answer my question.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThe big bang theory suggests that the universe as we know it had a beginning.  It says nothing about the nature and composition of all the…[Read more]

]]> a876c82584bb199f82fabc039c11bcd9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/9/#post-306849 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:54:34 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,04:36)But my question remains: where did the energy to create the universe come from?The answer remains the same: the same place “God” came from.Why do you refuse to accept it?  If you, like most Christians, believe that “God” simply exists, with no beginning, then please explain why the universe, (i.e. all of the…[Read more]

]]> e14c715f3f927d7dc64aff1e5bec40eb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/8/#post-306770 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:37:27 +1200 Ed,Is that where your god came from?

]]> 560c8ad8bf0d501f3f9b218a8d1b828f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christians-remaining-silent/page/8/#post-306698 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:45:43 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ July 23 2012,18:15)My question to you is: where did the energy to create the universe come from?The same place where your god came from.

]]> fe31fceb4c8ed98aa8c5da028b59785f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-are-morals-to-the-atheist/page/7/#post-303104 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:00:27 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2012,05:31)If there is no God there is no ABSOLUTE reason to care about anyones pain at all, it would serve no point for the meaning of death itself would be pointless.That's correct.  There is no absolute reason, but there are many relative reasons to care.  And, since we live in a world that is based on r…[Read more]

]]> e426ddfbcb66b13f280e39229c699f12 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-are-morals-to-the-atheist/page/7/#post-303103 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:41:28 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2012,05:29)So you decide that lying is immoral based on what?Did you read my entire post?  I think that I was quite explicit about why the lying was unethical.Quote Why do you assume he wants an honest relationship with his wife?Ethics are not about what you want.  It's about your relationship to those around you.  …[Read more]

]]> 203ca19bf1cd0676e40bbedecd757b95 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-are-morals-to-the-atheist/page/7/#post-302853 Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:27:09 +1200 Quote (princess @ June 17 2012,10:04)What of this one, you know someone is hungry and do not feed them, then share it with a group of people. This is a concept that can be applied equally. Is this moral or unmoral to do such.That's another good ethical dilemma.Again, the circumstance makes all the difference.Did you personally witness this person…[Read more]

]]> 8280adf9265fc82029b2b263118f9f7b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-are-morals-to-the-atheist/page/7/#post-302850 Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:15:27 +1200 Quote (journey42 @ June 17 2012,06:05)Hi What is trueThats a good example, but what about this one?Going to fortune tellers is not illegal.  Having seances or having  your tarot cards read is not illegal.  But is it moral?Again, as I mentioned at the end of my post to bodhitharta, questions of morality, (i.e. questions of ethics), are not al…[Read more]

]]> bd3c6aa573e71e0fd8104b4160e9824b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-are-morals-to-the-atheist/page/7/#post-302554 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:58:04 +1200 Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2012,09:24)No, you are talking about “rules” not “Morals” you can very well have sex with your mother and farm animals and still get along with others so what would make those things immoral?You are an ethical simpleton.  Not everything that is immoral is illegal, and not everything that is illegal is immoral.  (In s…[Read more]

]]> 07dc36c92103d890a504fbafd1635934 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atheism-vs-theism/page/22/#post-302331 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:55:25 +1200 Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,07:45)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 12 2012,03:53)Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,10:02)Hi WIT,Does this mean you did not read my post?No.  I read your post.  Did you expect me to find it profound?Hi WIT,You do agree it is a feasible explanation; correct?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYes, as f…[Read more]

]]> 5340982716d3e434e30e72e5242decf1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/what-are-morals-to-the-atheist/page/6/#post-302329 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:53:31 +1200 bodhitharta,Yes, there absolutely is a reason for atheists to have morals.  It's call social cooperation.  People who desire to live in community with other people have to behave in such a way as to not be a detriment to that community.There's no need for a man living on an island by himself to have morals, but if he wants to live with other p…[Read more]

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