https://heavennet.net/members/Tim2/activity/ Activity feed for Tim2. Sat, 25 Apr 2026 02:03:54 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 5f13dc0b6fbe44ecaba7778c29c9c22c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/5-questions/page/7/#post-55995 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:34:47 +1200 Well this is explicit polytheism coming straight from the author of this website.  Unbelievable.  What part of “There is no God besides Me” don't you understand?  I suppose you think that bellies are actually gods too?  Who in their right mind would listen to someone going around saying “***** is a god.”  It's so awful I can't even write it.  Wha…[Read more]

]]> 45eac21576d9622dbeb712a2f938d9bf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/this-is-my-god/page/2/#post-57885 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:27:05 +1200 My response is based on the fact that a vision in which a man is seduced by a woman is claimed to show the love of God. I don't think so.

]]> 75836a9f82c1eafd56b8085b21b812e6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/this-is-my-god/page/2/#post-57888 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:16:58 +1200 Hi Martian,I hope that you are not the one who had this vision. It is clearly a ruse of the devil, preying on someone in a vulnerable emotional state. The story of the man seduced by the harlot in Proverbs 2, 5, and 7 comes to mind. I also recall Paul's warning not to take your stand on visions you have seen (Colossians 2:18). And, of course,…[Read more]

]]> f59b3cae8119881c95db60770de3e218 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/9/#post-74629 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:00:51 +1200 Martian,How is it that Jesus laid the foundation of the earth?Tim

]]> 982aa856d0037a0cffb25940a8601b0d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/has-anyone-seen-god-or-not/#post-55378 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:06:49 +1200 May God be with in your endeavor to proclaim the truth of the ecumenical creeds, Lamontre.”Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, 'Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears…[Read more]

]]> 7c80791c45f569484167ae7ecf9fcdeb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/definition-of-chalcedon/page/2/#post-55377 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:01:05 +1200 It is not constructive to accuse the English translation of Chalcedon of error and then not offer any supporting evidence whatsoever.

]]> 183c7263d89fc540d7d2fae3d4acb1e0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/definition-of-chalcedon/page/2/#post-55355 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:02:58 +1200 Not3in1,I guess you're ignoring me, as I am ignoring Nick?  That's all I can figure from the fact that you don't respond to any of my posts reaching out to you.  Fine, then just receive this last warning from someone who loves you and wants to see you come back to church and join the true family of God.  Nick and t8 are not your friends, even if…[Read more]

]]> ea3f90a0ecb8d06f157dea61a9b985e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/fully-god-fully-man/page/25/#post-55322 Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:56:20 +1200 Quote (lamontre @ June 12 2007,10:06)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 12 2007,09:39)Quote (lamontre @ June 12 2007,08:27)And if God has a son He is  in nature?Each after his own kind, is I believe God's law.LM,Regarding “each after his own kind” -God/God = God (not possible because there is only One God)Mary/God = Divine ManFully both/no mix/fake…[Read more]

]]> 25cc2258146eb937a29d1a67417594e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/fully-god-fully-man/page/24/#post-55252 Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:53:58 +1200 Hi Lamontre,Welcome.  I believe in the Trinity as confessed in the ecumenical creeds, and I hope you do too.  It's been painful to watch the dialogue in response to your posts, as nobody is actually responding to the statements of Scripture, but I guess that's just how things tend to flow around here (but now always). I hope you have the s…[Read more]

]]> 25bbd6c40065a42f2316fbb37a379fbe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/8/#post-74616 Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:38:25 +1200 Quote Tim is definitly relunctant to have me be a part of the same family of God!Not3in1, I am not reluctant to have you be a part of the family of God.  I would like very much for you to join the family of God.  That is why I am telling you that your beliefs are wrong and you need to repent.  It has distressed me to listen to you talk about me on…[Read more]

]]> 434ab67a5057a8cc721b24faa8b176fe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/6/#post-74583 Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:28:48 +1200 Not3in1,Please listen to what I have to say.  I hope, by the grace of God, to write to you now in love, which to me means saving you and everyone who reads this from going to hell.  I think you would agree, hypothetically, that warning someone who doesn't believe the gospel that they are going to hell is an act of love.  Do you agree?  I hope you…[Read more]

]]> a26287ff8abc4e6740ef83c23f0c6fcc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/holy-trinity/#post-54873 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:18:13 +1200 Student,You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Chr…[Read more]

]]> af7aa1999f6e1251b017dcdb9205b953 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/91/#post-54817 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:19:49 +1200 Quote Christ has proceeded as a lesser Son.This blasphemy is becoming unbearable.

]]> eb6d9c10e636d6c7fc4a57a3da8da508 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/90/#post-54756 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:19:59 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ June 06 2007,06:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 06 2007,05:59)You say the Holy Spirit is the Father then why do you keep calling him the Holy Spirit, why not just call him Father?That's a good idea!  Can we try that and see if it works?  Everywhere you see the holy Spirit – replace it with God or Father.  Would it work?No, it wo…[Read more]

]]> ba8b21279f94d664098b3ad5cde4cb5f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/dualism/page/9/#post-54754 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:17:27 +1200 Quote Tim2, as you must know, the term “hypostasis” has been considered a dis-service to the Trinity doctrine. Read your history – the history that created the creeds.Sure, I believe that some people have considered hypostasis to be a disservice to the Trinity doctrine. Plenty of others haven't. What has that got to do with the fact that it's…[Read more]

]]> 733a7a212183e61dae788558579ffb12 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/4/#post-74556 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:10:03 +1200 Quote I am a sinner as the biblical definition of sin, which is that I have missed the mark, but I am not evil.Matthew 7:11 -“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children …”Quote You elude to other motives that might be included, but give no examples. The possibility that there might be more to God’s motives in no way d…[Read more]

]]> a4afce76890252d70d9dfc7218316241 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/main-stream-christianity/page/3/#post-54740 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:19:53 +1200 Hi Ken,The website claims that Christians from their earliest history observed the first day of the week as the Lord's Day, and you seem to confirm this with your quotes from Acts and 1 Corinthians. So do you admit that neither Constantine nor the Pope changed the Lord's Day from the last day to the first day?Tim

]]> f2e519f4de99b4ff80d20fbc7048af25 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-holy-spirit/page/89/#post-54739 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:16:01 +1200 Pardon my jumping in here but it looks like WJ is being ganged up on.  Are you debating whether the Holy Spirit is a separate existence/subsistence from the Father and the Son?  If so, John 14-16 have always been the clearest to me on this pointJohn 14:16 -“I will ask the Father, and He will send you another Helper, that He may be with you f…[Read more]

]]> c28f55f541d31533c45d60ead0fa57b6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/4/#post-74553 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:31:52 +1200 Hi Martian,Our good friend Athanasius has shown us some of the purposes of Christ's coming to earth:John 6:38-40 -“I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him that sent Me.  And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last…[Read more]

]]> e2d980fce2941fdefaf8081f8a14aef1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/main-stream-christianity/page/2/#post-54706 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:52:03 +1200 Hi Kenrch,What are your thoughts on this website?http://www.bible.ca/H-sunday.htmTim

]]> 6cd98e5c176c36a52f2d06dc70396fdf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/dualism/page/8/#post-54705 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:49:44 +1200 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,18:05)Quote (Tim2 @ June 05 2007,18:02)Quote All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a personHebrews 1:3 -“And He is the Radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His person …”  The word for person here is hypostasis, which can also mean nature, but has been understood to…[Read more]

]]> 56073c491088e463864a6131a65ba5f2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/4/#post-74551 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:45:31 +1200 Hi Martian,Thanks for that explanation.  I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I think you might be a little too bold in essentially declaring, “I know for certain that these are the motives and intentions of God, and I refuse to respond to any Scripture that might contradict what I perceive to be God's motives and intentions.”  I think a…[Read more]

]]> fc752517c7b173da4bc941a74e8b9e1f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/dualism/page/8/#post-54698 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:02:30 +1200 Quote All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a personHebrews 1:3 -“And He is the Radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His person …” The word for person here is hypostasis, which can also mean nature, but has been understood to mean person.Tim

]]> 950222e7c6519c0f2f2ee899d789e311 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation-223/page/2/#post-54618 Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:42:15 +1200 94,”He who searches the hearts and minds” is a Biblical title for God.  Do you agree?  So if Paul uses this of Jesus in Romans 8:27, then it means Jesus is God.But you are reading Romans 8:26-27 in a deliberate attempt to detract from the omniscience of Jesus, when Jesus isn't even mentioned in the passage.  Why don't you confess along with the di…[Read more]

]]> 21735fa07fa454140172fb20d0159bc2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/3/#post-74547 Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:03:05 +1200 94,Quote Do you have free will?I don't know.  Paul mentions free will in Philemon 14, but I don't know where else it is mentioned in the Bible, much less emphasized, particularly concerning the slaves of God.  So I don't think it should be the foundation of our doctrine.Quote I don't believe that we are born with a sin nature, but that nature we d…[Read more]

]]> 597fc10a7862be6c6667b52ad5e41a91 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/definition-of-chalcedon/#post-54479 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:09:14 +1200 Quote But Christ is not our God Well then you are not in the same church as Thomas. John 20:28. Until you repent of this, I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts.

]]> 6b51dec24994ca8e063f79423e2d7284 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/2/#post-74533 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:07:15 +1200 Martian,I admit that Hebrews 4:15, “One Who has been tempted in all things as without sin,” is difficult to understand, and my explanation might not be the best one.  But I am going to base my understanding of Jesus on everything the Bible says about Him.  So if the Bible says He laid the foundation of the earth, I know for certain that He is n…[Read more]

]]> 1738749e9a11c4322d936d992287428d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/2/#post-74532 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:46:08 +1200 94,I believe I said that there are no Scriptures that mention the free will of Jesus while He was a man on earth, meaning that of course He went by His own will prior to becoming man, which was the same will as the Father and the Spirit, the one perfect will of God.I know that Jesus was made like His brethren in all things, but surely this does…[Read more]

]]> 713252b17a64c1f30115f51d0dc3f6b8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/fully-god-fully-man/page/23/#post-54477 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:31:17 +1200 Quote The Son is God in a relative sense only.So John 1:1 should read, “and Theos was the Word in a relative sense only”?

]]> e40ddddd96819a38c458004b6bdfe8b4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/1-timothy-613-16/page/5/#post-54476 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:29:56 +1200 Quote My understanding is that the scripture does not mean that Jesus has seen God in the sense that you see something with the eye. God is invisible and is no one can see Him in that sense. But Jesus has seen him that is he has seen his character.Actually it says Jesus has seen the Father. John 6:46. It doesn't limit this to seeing the…[Read more]

]]> 5e3a8fdad17d79bb356e1abcd24205e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation-223/#post-54474 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:21:16 +1200 Quote Jesus knows what the Sprit of God reveals to him.Where does it say this?  Romans 8:27 doesn't say this.  And Jesus doesn't take of the Spirit, the Spirit takes of Him.  John 16:14.  You think Jesus is only a man, right 94?  So how is it that the Spirit takes of a mere man?Quote He is not God in the sense that you are trying to say.There isn&…[Read more]

]]> 90dcdea7d249bf1995d3cf93943b18aa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation-223/#post-54448 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:10:11 +1200 94,So how many are there that search the hearts and minds? Someone besides YHWH does this? Are you serious?Quote By the Spirit God does search our hearts, and has revealed what was there to Jesus so that he could make intercession for the Saints according to the will of God. That's not what Romans 8:27 says. It says “He who searches the hearts…[Read more]

]]> b3931242b4406ae3e43b59d01eb9bd86 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/2/#post-74526 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:00:51 +1200 Hi Martian,Quote The most primary ingredient of God’s intentions with creation is that man of HIS OWN FREE WILL would chose to follow God.Where does it say this in the Bible?  Philippians 2:7 says that Jesus took the form of a bond-servant.  I don't believe that a bond-servant has free will, but must obey his owner.Quote In order for this cre…[Read more]

]]> b5ec3f84fa952128b8b505edfee70f1d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/1-timothy-613-16/page/5/#post-54445 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:48:39 +1200 1 Timothy 6:16 says that no man has seen or can see God. So how is it that Jesus has seen the Father, if He is only a man? John 6:46.

]]> 426d912351f0a7d6e7015bb3e5c98c8c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation-223/#post-54444 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:45:45 +1200 I agree, kidneys means “used of the inmost thoughts, feelings, purposes, of the soul.”  I used the literal translation (according to my NASB), to show that it says the exact same thing, kidneys, as the Old Testament verses I quoted.Thanks for pointing out Romans 8:26-27.  I think your reading is reasonable, but the most direct reading is that “…[Read more]

]]> b1d20d9c481bd62764d2187a9c0868f3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/definition-of-chalcedon/#post-54442 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:26:53 +1200 If Nick's post and my post are confusing, then ignore them, and just read the Definition itself.

]]> dfb5335ca4eb6b201060a86003e4f3de http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation-223/#post-54419 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:58:10 +1200 How many are there that search the hearts and minds?  One or two?  You're telling me that someone besides YHWH searches the hearts and minds?  You kidding me?  Someone besides YHWH will recompense everyone according their deeds?  Jesus didn't say, “I've been anointed to search the hearts and minds.”  He says, “I am He who searches the minds and h…[Read more]

]]> db11bd5a969b6ffd5615ed2b64a9866e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/revelation-223/#post-54408 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:34:58 +1200 1 Corinthians 12:7:”For to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the commong good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; and to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, and to another effecting of…[Read more]

]]> ff42b7c0c595b8b655f88cd125494020 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/#post-74514 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:30:09 +1200 Hi Martian,I said some of this in your function post but I'll try to answer some of your comments more directly here.I agree that believing in a person with two natures that do not mix is irrational, if both of the natures are of created beings. The natures of two created beings cannot coexist in one person without mixing and reacting.  I agree.…[Read more]

]]> ae849165247f36eb0633166d7d15291d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/function/#post-54403 Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:15:08 +1200 Quote I do not have time or the patience to teach you Hebrew. It is not germain to the real question.Since you are proposing a different translation of the Hebrew than is contained in every English Bible, I think it is germain.Quote I have always said that Jesus was completely human just like us.Then please explain how He created the heavens and…[Read more]

]]> a2c00dd7da364cc4cc78d78a230e2d3f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/function/#post-54392 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:51:35 +1200 Martian,I'll try to be rational here, ok?   My first question is, on what basis do you translate the Hebrew in Genesis as “functional/dysfunctional,” rather than “good/evil”?  Every Bible I've seen translates them as good and evil.  How does the Septuagint translate them?  Is there any scholarship you can show us to support this translation?  A…[Read more]

]]> 6d88a3ba5524997959e9bbeef430f4e1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/dualism/page/6/#post-54391 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:23:27 +1200 Right, John 17. I had an extensive discussion with David about this a month ago, and the conclusion I asserted, which no one has rejected yet, is that just as the Father and the Son are one God, the church should be one body and one spirit with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 6:17, 12:12.John 17:21-22, “that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are…[Read more]

]]> c18802958caa66ffbc13cb0b21ebbdb7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/page/2/#post-74523 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:07:15 +1200 Quote Actually I was reading them to see if anyone would change their mind and wish to dicuss the reality of doctrine.Anyone but me?

]]> f05c7e9e8b927cdd7b56cca42ffc28b6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/dualism/page/6/#post-54388 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:06:05 +1200 Jesus answered them, “If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of Him, Whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the…[Read more]

]]> 185c94ca07b2dcd52f64f87cb02f87eb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/very-dissapointed/#post-74516 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:21:15 +1200 Martian,I tried to talk to you about this in the dualism thread but you just called me irrational and refused to talk to me. Do you want me to respond to your functionality post?Tim

]]> 469aa6480b56ea479dcc05ac4272011a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/dualism/page/6/#post-54379 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:19:23 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2007,12:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2007,11:34)The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is One God.One Spirit, Three persons, One God!Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.Does it make you believe it more to hear it sing-songed at the end of every post?God is One!God is One!The Father and the Son…[Read more]

]]> aa74ce6e51df9a564c667446fe00df24 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-is-118s-proof-text-2/page/8/#post-54378 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:12:34 +1200 Quote (t8 @ June 01 2007,13:24)To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2007,07:48)t8So God dosnt have substance? You should know that God is One t8. Why do you call another being your Lord and master?Dont you know this is forbidden! For the Lord God is a Jealous God and there is none other beside him or like him!You cant have “Two masters”!Luke…[Read more]

]]> 31b836854dad5ed1435bc765dfca5f8c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-is-118s-proof-text-2/page/8/#post-54377 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:07:35 +1200 (t8)Quote Quote (Cult Buster @ June 01 2007,13:53) It is evident that in Heb 1:3 Christ is being described as a divine Being. He is of the same substance as God. To CultB.In your quote you just admitted that Jesus isn't God himself.You clearly are speaking about 2. A being of the same substance as God is a being that is like God himself in the…[Read more]

]]> 8e8b5eae9d9b5ff323fc6c2dfada0d6f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-is-118s-proof-text-1/page/15/#post-54376 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:00:55 +1200 Quote What did Jesus say? “ye are theos”.No, Jesus said, “Ye are theoi.” Plural. I would hope no one would compare the so-called theoi with the true Theos.

]]> fe81fa232b4c34e31522836bb83f7eac http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/definition-of-chalcedon/#post-54373 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:43:04 +1200 Nick,It does not say “the Word was a son begotten in the beginning.” First of all, show some reverence and capitalize the Son of God. Second, we know from John 1:1 that the Word wasn't begotten in the beginning, He already was in the beginning! That's why the Definition of Chalcedon says, “begotten of the Father before the ages.” Before the…[Read more]

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