https://heavennet.net/members/Sammo/activity/ Activity feed for Sammo. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 600e92a70e2e9508da1f17ff6111388c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/matt-1-21-as-evidence-for-the-trinity/page/13/#post-25446 Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:07:33 +1200 Quote (Adam Pastor @ Aug. 03 2006,11:40)A corpse is a dead person/soul.A dead person is a dead soul.Right now within tombs & coffins are dead souls.What one buries or cremates is a dead person/soulJews in the OT were not allowed to touch dead souls … (subtly translated dead body)So a person according to the Hebrew Bible, dead or alive, is a…[Read more]

]]> 96ce9f1d0b7d11beaa214b506d874ccf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christophanies/#post-20488 Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:54:48 +1200 One angel in particular was special – it bore the name of God (Ex 23:21). Speaking on behalf of God did not make the angel God Himself.

]]> c8ce92858485473f16cd8d9103c6e8bc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/23/#post-26181 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:03:17 +1200 Quote (malcolm ferris @ June 06 2006,03:34)Quote The Christadelphians (and others) understand it as well, that's why they deny pre-existence altogether.True some people cannot see Jesus beyond a normal man, like us in exactly every way including (in some cases) the nature of his birth.Whoa, steady on! Jesus was the only begotten son of God, which…[Read more]

]]> 6e243ab46114f91253312106c8cd485d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/christadelpians/#post-19521 Mon, 29 May 2006 22:22:24 +1200 Satan is not a name, it's a noun that means adversary. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~stalexan/Files/Satan_not_PN.pdf That means that there is no fallen angel called Satan. So far as I can see, that's the end of the story. Besides, angels can't sin, and thus can't fall anyway. (If anyone disagree with that, there are unanswered posts of mine on the…[Read more]

]]> eb1f43451fe51bdeec127f303ed0e506 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/19/#post-26129 Mon, 29 May 2006 04:18:10 +1200 Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 29 2006,04:44)He he. Might take 20 minutes to demonstrate the scriptural basis for this belief, but a life time to defend it though. The prooftexts used to argue for pre-existence are very difficult to explain away IMHO. Well, let's see what Nick comes up with

]]> 13013fc086881a9256335bff7d606620 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/19/#post-26122 Mon, 29 May 2006 03:26:25 +1200 Hi Is 1:18, hope you're well.Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 29 2006,02:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2006,19:41)Hi Is 1 18, Your work ethic is undenied. But if it takes twnty hours to answer questions does that not ask a few questions of it's own? If the answrers you give are directly from scripture then twenty minutes with a concordance will give you all…[Read more]

]]> f5d8e03309dda3fc8e4f926767e1dfce http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/7/#post-14291 Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:06 +1200 Quote (t8 @ May 27 2006,01:31)Quote (Sammo @ May 27 2006,17:11)What we do have is a statement of faith – this is what binds us together.Exactly. Your faith is spelled out before the Spirit and free thought has a chance to lead you into all truth.It's like saying you are free to be led by the Spirt, so long as your conclusions include,…[Read more]

]]> 5a8ef5a6cbd95562dade8c0fc23b3725 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14210 Fri, 26 May 2006 22:50:44 +1200 MPR (More Pointless Rhetoric).

]]> a6fdc45847de48cfee2a7d87c00d7619 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14207 Fri, 26 May 2006 21:11:19 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 26 2006,18:20)Hi sammo, What you call Satan changes nothing of his nature. Was the angel of the Lord present or was it a human “advocate”according to your church?Hi NickThat's not quite the way we work – there is no 'Christadelphian teaching' on particular verses, because we have no central authority. t8 describes us as a…[Read more]

]]> 4a6f50e2d14dbcf14c34ad290eb5c326 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-doctrine-development/page/7/#post-18526 Fri, 26 May 2006 13:20:05 +1200 Quote (Artizan007 @ May 26 2006,13:58)Does anyone know of any writings where the Apostles and the Jews during this time actually debated a Trinity, the Incarnation of the God Man, eternal Son taking on human from or even the Virgin Birth etc and actually spoke of it in this manner. I can see it begins to surface later on in Church history along…[Read more]

]]> 5cca95383d409c97ffd25a1891fad48f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14196 Fri, 26 May 2006 13:03:19 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2006,00:23)Hi, Zech 3.1″Then he showed me Joshua, the High Priest, standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.And the Lord said to Satan'The Lord rebuke you Satan. Indeed the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you…”So how many beings are shown here? Sammo would perhaps…[Read more]

]]> 7341c2a52cf5c6919b3a1836f20acb2b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14195 Fri, 26 May 2006 12:57:49 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2006,20:27)Your approach to biblical study is interesting. You took one verse from Luke. You took from that one verse that angels cannot die. You then, working backwards, decided this proved that proved angels cannot sin.1. “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to…[Read more]

]]> b5e26261b8825c71b088ca9e0cb491ac http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14194 Fri, 26 May 2006 12:31:47 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2006,19:05) Lk 20.34″The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the…[Read more]

]]> c0077b8373d173fabb9b5ffa6443f7b1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14193 Fri, 26 May 2006 12:17:13 +1200 Quote (t8 @ May 26 2006,08:07)To Sammo,Quote (Sammo @ May 26 2006,06:46)How many of your major beliefs have you changed lately, t8?Not many. One would be that those who belong to denominations serve God less than I initially believed.But I did once fellowship at a number of denominations and I did once believe that God was a Trinity. I even went…[Read more]

]]> ef3a5c1151ea451299eb0c94c92a3d88 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/6/#post-14192 Fri, 26 May 2006 12:00:06 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2006,21:45)Quote (Sammo @ May 25 2006,11:46)Quote (t8 @ May 25 2006,09:14)To me it doesn't matter how many scriptures you show these people because if the scripture doesn't match up with the doctrines of their denomination, they will reject the scripture.How many of your major beliefs have you changed lately, t8? Do you…[Read more]

]]> 9af9374c13a714edae86b7bc0c330af5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/5/#post-14124 Thu, 25 May 2006 10:46:39 +1200 Quote (t8 @ May 25 2006,09:14)To me it doesn't matter how many scriptures you show these people because if the scripture doesn't match up with the doctrines of their denomination, they will reject the scripture.How many of your major beliefs have you changed lately, t8? Do you honestly think you're any different to me, or David, or Is 1:18, or…[Read more]

]]> 1f4f89f3e28741bee454cf958185a7ac http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/5/#post-14108 Thu, 25 May 2006 05:49:00 +1200 Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 23 2006,02:34)Hi Sammo, hope life is good for you atm.I think NH has actually raised a valid point in pointing out that, although Revelation is a coded book (400 verses and 800 allusions to the OT I have been led to believe!), some symbols are actually explained in the book itself. And the star/angels idiom is one of those…[Read more]

]]> caafae738c0aa3c20b82665464f5d2a6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/5/#post-14106 Thu, 25 May 2006 05:27:27 +1200 Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:53)Similarly, Jesus died a torturous death. Jehovah didn't cause this. He allowed it, because it had to happen. And Jehovah was not the reason it had to happen. The one who deceived eve was the one began us down this path. Jehovah has lovingly allowed the this to be corrected in this way because of his sense of…[Read more]

]]> 2241a786a601b41bc5763816b1628a42 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/5/#post-14105 Thu, 25 May 2006 05:21:35 +1200 Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:19)Quote You make it sound like (the fallen angel I don't believe exists that you call) Satan engineered the whole thing – but it was God that mentioned Job to Satan (1:8), not the other way around! In the garden of eden, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited…[Read more]

]]> 4036088827e6e2870139fa1234c8782b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/5/#post-14104 Thu, 25 May 2006 05:05:24 +1200 Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:19)Quote This is the same message as Hebrews 2:14 -“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;“Jesus destroyed the devil through his death – this is completely…[Read more]

]]> 4bd224584d97b962086c14372910d63d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/5/#post-14103 Thu, 25 May 2006 05:03:15 +1200 Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:19)Quote Hi David”Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:31-33)The context of this is Jesus being crucified, 2000 years ago. Is this when you date…[Read more]

]]> d74534bfac8442caae74b012ee705a73 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/4/#post-14087 Thu, 25 May 2006 03:01:50 +1200 Quote (david @ May 22 2006,08:26)Quote Isaiah 45Quote7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.It makes no difference if you want to change “evil” here to “woe” (NASB) – it's not like woe is a happy thing, and the point in question is whether or not the devil is responsible for all…[Read more]

]]> 305668291433c6100fa636313ae2aee2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/4/#post-14083 Thu, 25 May 2006 02:39:46 +1200 btw, people often talk about the word “satan” as if it's someone's name (including the passages in Job).However, the link I posted before shows that this definitely wasn't the case in Job 1-3 and Zechariah 3, and thus is extremely unlikely to be the case in 1 Chronicles 21 (and as David pointed out above, yes that does exhaust the traditional OT…[Read more]

]]> fd4ac2aa0db34ca32cf61540b51d2196 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/4/#post-14082 Thu, 25 May 2006 02:32:05 +1200 Hi DavidQuote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)Ok, to Job.Why would Satan have to ask God for persmission to do those things in front of the whole assmebly of the sons of God? Because Satan is very intelligent (not wise, smart).The rebellious spirit called Satan assembled with other spirits in God’s presence. “Would Job worship you if he got not…[Read more]

]]> ce1c582897f4da2b1b6f31f7ec140f43 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/4/#post-14080 Thu, 25 May 2006 01:47:38 +1200 Quote (david @ May 21 2006,07:48)Yes, and who is the “ruler of the world” that Jesus mentioned 3 or 4 times who has no hold on Jesus. It's definitely not God in those verses. And in Rev 12, it speaks of Satan (the adversary) the original serpent, also called a dragon who with his angels battled with Michael and his angels, and he was hurled out…[Read more]

]]> 795a98dd7568c6f077b822a04aaab70e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/4/#post-14010 Tue, 23 May 2006 10:02:34 +1200 Hi DavidI'm sorry I didn't respond to this earlier.Quote (david @ May 18 2006,08:33)Quote Reasons not to believe that the Devil/Satan is an immortal fallen angel: 1* Angels cannot “fall”. If they sinned they would die (Romans 6:23), but they are immortal (Luke 20:36). Therefore angels cannot sin – they are “all” the “ministers of God” (Psalm…[Read more]

]]> 80ad1e40c54b5a66722049dd69ca59bf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/3/#post-13970 Mon, 22 May 2006 08:17:18 +1200 Quote (david @ May 22 2006,08:26)Quote Hi DavidAlso, specifically in relation to James 1:13, note that the same word for “try” in James 1:13 is used in Hebrews 11:17 – look it up:”By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son”Look back in Genesis and you'll find that…[Read more]

]]> ca239ba923eadbb4a1dd8647ae61e6b1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/3/#post-13959 Mon, 22 May 2006 06:05:55 +1200 Nick,You can be extremely difficult to talk to sometimes. In one post you say that Revelation should be taken literally, but then in the very next breath you're explaining at length the symbolism in Revelation 12.FWIW, I'd try and point out the gaps in your last post, but you do an embarrasingly good job of that yourself.Honestly, what kind of…[Read more]

]]> 6c6c9afddfa628e432430a0a5a4b70f4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/3/#post-13956 Mon, 22 May 2006 05:46:32 +1200 Quote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)Quote Evil (as in bad things that happen) comes from God. Sin comes from within our own heart.Regardless of what the next verse says, you say that evil or the bad things that happen comes from God.Scripture says:JAMES 1:13“When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For WITH EVIL THINGS GOD canno…[Read more]

]]> 9d58ce330f7bdcf3f6d46ba0443d79ce http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/3/#post-13954 Mon, 22 May 2006 05:32:33 +1200 Quote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)Hi Sammo. I've read your link about Job.Thanks.Quote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)first, back to this quote of yours:Quote Evil (as in bad things that happen) comes from God. Sin comes from within our own heart.Regardless of what the next verse says, you say that evil or the bad things that happen comes from…[Read more]

]]> 53d791e51f6a8237225cc2604f594baf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/3/#post-13950 Mon, 22 May 2006 05:22:40 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2006,23:24)Hi sammo, Now that you have had time to consider the matter according to the precious Word of God, who is “the god of this world?”Hi NickWhatever this is, it clearly doesn't exist as a literal being – there are plenty of verses that say that God is God alone, and it's just plain silly to think that the…[Read more]

]]> 040c08b48284dd338252c6e1bf09fd1b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/3/#post-13948 Mon, 22 May 2006 05:04:34 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2006,21:54)Hi sammo,So if you state, as your basis of faith in these matters, thatRevelation is only symbolismHi NickThis deserves to be taken to task. Please read through Revelation 12:Quote 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a…[Read more]

]]> 694db46ef81eb8faff4d0b4531f40e2a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/melchizekek/#post-13946 Mon, 22 May 2006 04:51:28 +1200 Just a man.

]]> 379390c3765cd088bf5724738b5ceab4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/2/#post-13920 Sun, 21 May 2006 20:46:08 +1200 (You're doing it again… )

]]> 59c03414c5032441948cea4bb5311851 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/2/#post-13918 Sun, 21 May 2006 20:11:36 +1200 Nick, on the other hand, understands every verse in scripture perfectly I really wish you'd stop trying to score such cheap debating points, you do it all the time.Given how many verses there are in scripture that say that there is only ONE God, I honestly don't see how this verse could be saying that there is another literal 'god' out there with…[Read more]

]]> 791e6431e91736e6711d05b2c6f5e641 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/2/#post-13899 Sun, 21 May 2006 09:44:39 +1200 (messed up tags in the last paragraph sorry!)

]]> 58a263c08fddd65232e002fda6856862 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/2/#post-13898 Sun, 21 May 2006 09:41:40 +1200 Quote (david @ May 21 2006,07:29)Quote Evil (as in bad things that happen) comes from God.On what do you base this?Did you follow the link I gave? I've already posted at some length about this. Quote (david @ May 21 2006,07:29)Does not the entire book of Job declare otherwise? Job may at first have thought the bad things were happening to him…[Read more]

]]> 15d64577225361cba09f3b57e9a649eb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/2/#post-13897 Sun, 21 May 2006 09:22:45 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2006,07:40)Hi sammo, Then what of Satan being the “god of this world”?Hi NickOff the top of my head, I don't know.

]]> e4653639c433523e6cd330df025ad081 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/11/#post-13872 Sun, 21 May 2006 05:59:14 +1200 Click 'quote' at the top of Is 1:18's last post, and have a look at the tags in his post that will show up in the 'original post to quote' box

]]> e8d474c61d46d8f2cfb511fda20b46ee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/page/2/#post-13869 Sun, 21 May 2006 05:20:37 +1200 Quote (david @ May 19 2006,07:53)I'm wondering if you could in just a few sentences very simply define your beliefs on Satan, the demons (sickenss, right?) and angels (a word which I realize literally means, 'messengers.') I'm not looking for the reasons you believe these things, just wanting to know exactly what you specifically believe.Hi…[Read more]

]]> 0ccfbc96bf86a746f0618385ed2288cc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/#post-13866 Sun, 21 May 2006 05:07:39 +1200 Quote (t8 @ May 18 2006,10:26)From what I understand Nick, Christadelphians do not believe in anything that requires faith. So that Heaven is nothing but good thoughts, Satan is adversary. That is at least what one Christadelphian lady explained to me along time ago. Not sure if she represented their beliefs accurately however.No, she didn't, and…[Read more]

]]> 42be28407c4d769990ccb64dd872aac1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satan/#post-13772 Thu, 18 May 2006 05:18:55 +1200 Hi guysEverything that might come up in this discussion (if I bit) has already been talked about the in the 'fallen angels' thread. But while we're here, I'd recommend people start reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan (“The idea of this ultimate agent of evil as the Prince of Darkness was most likely introduced (or strongly influenced)…[Read more]

]]> a9cd29b393d133a37de31e4e8bfada78 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-man-from-heaven/page/3/#post-13754 Wed, 17 May 2006 21:57:51 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2006,18:52)Quote (Sammo @ May 17 2006,12:58)I'm sorry, I didn't explain myself very well, and I hope I didn't come across as sarcastic. What I meant was that Jesus said he came down from heaven as true bread, as opposed to the manna that also came down from heaven (v31).So Jesus only came down from heaven in the same…[Read more]

]]> b821d96934949a1967d13eb13f4c6862 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-man-from-heaven/page/2/#post-13733 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:58:48 +1200 I'm sorry, I didn't explain myself very well, and I hope I didn't come across as sarcastic. What I meant was that Jesus said he came down from heaven as true bread, as opposed to the manna that also came down from heaven (v31).So Jesus only came down from heaven in the same way that the manna came down from heaven – ie not literally, unless you…[Read more]

]]> 2b897e83647f7264704a4f9f02b8f29b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/8/#post-13732 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:52:14 +1200 Sorry, I made a big mess of that Anyway, what I meant to say was also bear in mind that the Jews agreed that this was a Messianic prophecy (see Matt 2:1-6), and I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting a preexistent Messiah.

]]> d558163eb39d967f252e515f6a8afdd5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/8/#post-13731 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:50:43 +1200 Micah 5:2″But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”This is an interesting one… will look at that! Thanks

]]> 8abb451f3a3c50a9bc15197fcb5b102e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/8/#post-13728 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:37:27 +1200 Quote (Artizan007 @ May 17 2006,08:19)Micah 5:2″But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”This is an interesting one… will look at that! ThanksThis is the NET Bible footnote:sn In riddle-like…[Read more]

]]> 70031e4279e8fbb716a79ad4f7ff3e47 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/8/#post-13727 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:25:00 +1200 Quote (Artizan007 @ May 17 2006,04:58)Sammo,I came across this and thought that you would find it an interesting read on the validity of the LXX ….I did, thanks for posting.

]]> 5c843405f22c6c82618bae61368a3b75 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/8/#post-13726 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:23:57 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2006,05:48)Quote (Sammo @ May 17 2006,01:15)Spot on! Look at the way the word 'aion' is used elsewhere – it's used in verse 8 of the same chapter:”But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”Is that talking about the literal world that was…[Read more]

]]> b4176fd4de182c672a9b0a3394e3badc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-man-from-heaven/page/2/#post-13725 Wed, 17 May 2006 11:12:28 +1200 Quote (t8 @ May 17 2006,07:10)Quote (Sammo @ May 13 2006,03:03)But if you want to be picky, since God is unquestionably in heaven, no, I don't see that much of a difference – neither involve anything literally coming down from heaven to earth.John 6:38-40For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and…[Read more]

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