https://heavennet.net/members/Rudy/activity/ Activity feed for Rudy. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 7f3541b469a2be8acde0a687c5b5a729 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-son-of-god/page/10/#post-13861 Sun, 21 May 2006 02:01:51 +1200 All power is All power, so then Christ if not God, who is over us?That would mean God is NOT in control, Jesus is. Because ALL POWER is HIS (Jesus) 'till His enemies are His footstool, so apparently God the Father has no power right now and as the song says, “God is in control…” is incorrect and others who deny the deity of Christ there is NO…[Read more]

]]> 363920dd498144e1f8a47fd5107f5932 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/8/#post-6745 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:59:42 +1200 Cubes/Nick,Who said “let there be light”?If Christ created all things by the will of the Father and Christs' words accomplish His will and the Fathers' will, Christ “doing” the will of the Father,Who said “let there be light”?

]]> 56656525797cbe2ad64408a8e8768150 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/8/#post-6741 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:00:29 +1200 Nick,What then was Christs' role in creation since in fact all things that exist (Yahweh excluded) were created by Him and for Him and that by Him all things are upheld?Specifically, what did He do?

]]> 5ec86575ab89952f2ae35c26372005aa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/8/#post-6735 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:15:30 +1200 Ok,sorry for the short answers, I'm still at work and do not have unlimited time to discuss, I'm doing what I can.Rudy

]]> b0e8ac01f31dddff8c9b70b900d9012a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/8/#post-6733 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:11:27 +1200 So you do NOT believe Him to be a created being?

]]> e3ae3cb6079bf49f5707b7fc9e1af07c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/8/#post-6730 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:00:39 +1200 Nick,How do you explain this pre-incarnate birth?

]]> 380af2b033100c4d126edd5cf4f48afc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/8/#post-6727 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:52:41 +1200 Cubes,What you say makes sense to a degree.  However, I do not believe that the Most High God ever was or ever will be MUTE!  So by that token God is in Christ and Christ in God!  The two are one and inseperable.  So the Word cannot act aside from Yahweh and ALL of Yahwehs' Creation is by the Word.  So to try and seperate them is again ludi…[Read more]

]]> 3a7e9286c574f32b9c69eed3fe708ff6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/7/#post-6714 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:56:21 +1200 I'm here and willing to listen.

]]> 9f75b38d0f33b7b18ca39e0401588af5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/7/#post-6712 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:34:07 +1200 Nick,Who do you say that Christ is? In detail from the beginning please.

]]> 2967a66638ecacf51eef88a957d5c68b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/7/#post-6705 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:14:29 +1200 I have only spoken according to the scripture, I have not changed their meaning, I ask you to believe what they say and NOT read more in than is ther. for instance:The Word became Flesh! It does NOT say anywhere that Yeshua was spiritually begotten. It says rather that in the beginning, (Genesis 1:1) God (Yahweh) created heaven and earth.It is…[Read more]

]]> 53a6c01bbaa9719bded9266642dc1e54 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/6/#post-6703 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:02:38 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,23:54)Hi Rudy, So God becomes a father but does not really have a Son as they are the same in substance but have different names?He is “begotten” according to the Flesh. Prior to that He is The Word of God that is God and with God, they are Yahweh!That is the entire miracle of God's redemption. That The Word…[Read more]

]]> 5d9e4df584152f03894ff00836144ce6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/6/#post-6701 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:47:23 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,23:38)Hi Rudy, The word says that Yeshua was conceived of the Holy Ghost. But are you saying that is not true but he was conceived in Mary of himself? It sounds strange.The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, Yeshua was conceived at that point (according to the flesh), at birth God in heaven becomes a Father, not just…[Read more]

]]> b44d4f8d1d7f85b980a3a6b7bef687e6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/6/#post-6699 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:35:06 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,23:16)Hi Rudy, So “Son of God ” is only another title for the Father of the Son of God?That seems funny because Ephesians 3.15 says every family in heaven and earth derives it's name from the Father. So there is no family relationship between the Father and the Son and every family on earth and and in heaven is…[Read more]

]]> 2bac348c1fe06684822ac376c80f86d4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/6/#post-6694 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:04:53 +1200 Whatistrue,Yeshua laid His glory down when He came in the flesh! While incarnate He is the Son of God!

]]> b2aef0a600b028dcb9604b68b1f72389 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/6/#post-6688 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:19:07 +1200 I am not questioning your salvation, You have one judge and that is Christ.Christ rebuked Peter on more than one occasion for being of the wrong spirit.Matt 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art…[Read more]

]]> 3569e672dc7e8c2a88fa0a3df8b3e60a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/6/#post-6686 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:00:52 +1200 So T8 and Nick,I guess that makes you polytheists then, am I correct?

]]> 9467d501bca503a45185768e79eafbf9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/5/#post-6683 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:48:29 +1200 So Cubes,as you understand it there are more than one God.  The Most High and the Word.  The Word was your Creator, became your Savior in the flesh.But Yahweh says He ALONE is your God and Creator.  He ALONE is your Redeemer.  There is NO God beside Him!Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (Yahweh) our God is one LORD (Yahweh): 5 And thou shalt lov…[Read more]

]]> 82bef97ef17a8de15594040a4e389ee1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/5/#post-6676 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:52:47 +1200 T8,You sound an awful lot like the serpant in the Garden.”Did God really say…””He doesn't really mean…””The word doesn't really say…””The word doesn't really mean…”Think about it!When Jesus said “before Abraham was I AM” He meant it, every word!

]]> b9bf274a41e3a074933866bf67973b7e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/5/#post-6671 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:44:24 +1200 T8,That sounds like a good point to sell, but, the price is just TOO high!The incarnate Word of God is not God in and of Himself, so in the context of thought, The Word was with God and was God, the two being inexplicably connected. We are NOT to define the Almighty God, his word is for that, and the words of Christ.Your explanation that the I…[Read more]

]]> 7beb5ee94b0c94c3b0b986c39dd36e8b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/4/#post-6653 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:59:05 +1200 You are correct Is 1:18,What I've seen missed in understanding is Christ's identity Pre & Post Incarnation.  The scriptures teach specifically that The Word of God was with God and was God, took on flesh becoming Yeshua, the Son of God.  Prior to His incarnation, The Word of God was ONE with God in the Beginning and the name of the ONE and ONLY G…[Read more]

]]> 86e058e51138db15100d2144dc6195de http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/13/#post-6637 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:33:52 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2005,20:12)Hi Rudy, The scripture you quote speaks ofThe Father's hand and Jesus's hand.TWO sets of HANDSit says also the Father is greater than JesusTWO BEINGSHow is it that you are able to see a single unit instead of unity of two? Take off your selective glasses Rudy.I never said they were the same individual, they…[Read more]

]]> cd075aca741b7243883fe0b08bc33d8a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/13/#post-6632 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:25:50 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2005,18:24)Quote (Rudy @ April 25 2005,11:37)Let's take T8's only source for foundation that he has laid, other than misinterpretation of scripture, Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24…[Read more]

]]> 058bed16987482553777e9f89b551b0d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-yhwh/page/4/#post-6625 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:38:14 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2005,07:45)The problem with that Cubes is that Jesus told the Pharisees that God and Himself were one, and they sought to to kill Him for blasphemy, I again haeve read T8's arguments and find them absolutely ludicrous.We are to Know Him and The Father! That IS Eternal Life, so to deny who He is is to be in Spiritual…[Read more]

]]> 05ad7065ffa148e050a88fb60049518a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/12/#post-6622 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:21:14 +1200 Quote (t8 @ April 18 2005,07:09)Quote (Rudy @ April 18 2005,09:29)This, in my opinion, is far worse than the trinitarian or oneness doctrine because people actually come to Christ through those means but once in, are diverted down a perverted path that leads to destruction.Maybe? Philippians 1:15-18Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry,…[Read more]

]]> 9e0106f2d0eea68f14344d7f8debbbd9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/12/#post-6619 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:37:47 +1200 Let's take T8's only source for foundation that he has laid, other than misinterpretation of scripture, Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no…[Read more]

]]> ab62484d6c9fa9a768fa4037d53c5f16 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/11/#post-6586 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:15:59 +1200 The problem with that Cubes is that Jesus told the Pharisees that God and Himself were one, and theysough to to kill Him for blasphemy, I again haeve read T8's arguments and find them absolutely ludicrous.We are to Know Him and The Father!  That IS Eternal Life, so to deny who He is is to be in Spiritual Peril!I do not say these things lightly!…[Read more]

]]> 6a6861f9575309fb11f9e5a230754ded http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/11/#post-6584 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:03:02 +1200 Yeshua is the Incarnate “Word of God” who is God and with God.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.I've read T8's arguments against this verse and again they are…[Read more]

]]> 1f1e9663f8a4ea95ddb2bc4ebf09b881 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/11/#post-6582 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:40:20 +1200 In the days of the Apostles the spirit of ant-christ was the denial that He came at all. Now the denial is His Deity. That is what this page is all about, the anti-christ spirit. When you call him a son of God yet deny His deity (status as God) saying that He like you and I are “sons of God”, is to attempt to make Him a mere man. The…[Read more]

]]> d16e6598ae81b64742a82426124af01c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/11/#post-6577 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:26:47 +1200 Quote (Cubes @ April 24 2005,18:02)Quote (Rudy @ April 24 2005,03:07)T8,Of course you cannot repent.  Your pride and arrogance forbid it.  To do so would mean that all your “revelations” and “truths” are not of God, and so they are NOT.  But you, through the hardness of your heart have denied the truth and replaced it with a lie and have taught ot…[Read more]

]]> dfe393f09f7d9fc5ae92de700f6ac684 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/11/#post-6575 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:03:51 +1200 T8,1 Corinthians 2:14 – But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. That's the problem with trying to read the bible and interpret it in your own thoughts, it leaves the you without the means wherewith to understand that…[Read more]

]]> 2108c7997c163a5ecd97405658c8ce06 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/11/#post-6574 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:56:53 +1200 Quote (Guest @ April 24 2005,11:56)Hi Rudy,Where can I get a bible that uses the proper Hebrew names of Jesus and of the Father?Try this:http://www.ebible.org/bible/hnv/

]]> 4e28fc9e2c024efd4f13dbd4ff22d73b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/10/#post-6563 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:28:42 +1200 Quote (t8 @ April 24 2005,03:18)To Rudy, When you cannot defend truth with scripture you can always resort to false accusations. That is what they did to Christ and so they will do to those who follow him.I did defend it, and you ignored it. I love you more than you will know.The world is full of those with “Divine Knowledge”. That's what…[Read more]

]]> d2a7989ef56e597ef65d624aef9d427c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/10/#post-6559 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:07:32 +1200 T8,Of course you cannot repent. Your pride and arrogance forbid it. To do so would mean that all your “revelations” and “truths” are not of God, and so they are NOT. But you, through the hardness of your heart have denied the truth and replaced it with a lie and have taught others the same to your condemnation.I say this out of love, not hate,…[Read more]

]]> 99aeb8215ea713209ab2e1156730e5d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/worship/#post-6558 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:59:18 +1200 Let's worship Yahweh, by the way, He will be sitting in the Third Temple during the Millenium and His name is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you guessed it:Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD (Yahweh) of…[Read more]

]]> 7faaff17cecbe185e709eb4a532cef67 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/3/#post-6557 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:56:27 +1200 Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 24 2005,02:42)Quote (t8 @ April 24 2005,01:59)God is the Divine and he begats sons in his image.Sons? Christ is the only begotten Son of God. If there are other begotten sons of God, can I have some evidence of their existence please.Yes, and the “begotten” part is only speaking of His incarnation!Proverbs 8 speaks of a…[Read more]

]]> c8835a9fadafa1095ebc3d43d463c5f8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/3/#post-6553 Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:41:19 +1200 …and the LORD (Yahweh) my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Zech 14:5This verse speaks directly of the Second coming of Christ, and He is Yahweh!Zech 14:9 And the LORD (Yahweh) shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD (Yahweh), and his name one. This verse speaks of His, King of Kings and Lord of Lords,…[Read more]

]]> 6d3677ec14ec94f720e9847567f44c0b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/worship/#post-6541 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:26:36 +1200 Quote (Cubes @ April 23 2005,22:17)Revelations 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:”Great and marvelous are Your works,Lord God Almighty!Just and true are Your ways,O King of the saints!4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?For You alone are holy.For all nations shall come and…[Read more]

]]> 451fe5aa8c92cc2a78d49001c634d2bb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/worship/#post-6538 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:52:15 +1200 Jesus is God.  Look at His Position when all this is over:The Throne of God and of the Lamb!  They are one, but not one and the same!  Over their creation.John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.Rev 22:  3 And there shall be…[Read more]

]]> 484ee06ee061d22f61e1229300c39f82 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/has-anyone-seen-god/#post-6535 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:57:07 +1200 Quote (stroshow @ April 23 2005,18:21)Just to be clear on WHO appeared to Abraham Acts 7:2- And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,So again, it is clear that GOD HIMSELF APPEARED,(stephen is ref. to the account in Genesis 12, yet…[Read more]

]]> 6273db22a590936a959b512d553500c0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/2/#post-6533 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:25:58 +1200 T8,What you continue to fail to realize is that Jesus is God the Son.  He and the Father are one!John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.When Jesus reigns during the Millenium He alone will sit in the third Temple in…[Read more]

]]> 48c9782b64a58c5562b6d0594c2542a8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/10/#post-6532 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:35:09 +1200 T8,What you continue to fail to realize is that Jesus is God the Son. He and the Father are one!John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.When Jesus reigns during the Millenium He alone will sit in the third Temple in…[Read more]

]]> 17ebea935bed75012f89314360796dcc http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/worship/#post-6524 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:21:35 +1200 John 5:23 – That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

]]> 111b7744b3cd9bd118a394e9ca70e668 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/has-anyone-seen-god/#post-6521 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:49:11 +1200 Yeshua/Yahweh is the “image” of the Invisible God!

]]> bdc2aa73c81c0e7e7cba4f2a2855dd39 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/10/#post-6519 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:33:33 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2005,00:12)Hi Rudy, I see you have come across the Oneness doctrine. Certainly many resolve some of their confusion by clinging to it. But it does cause a few other issues to arise.To name just a couple;It means Jesus is NOT who he said he was-the Son of God. It says he is that God.It means that Jesus Christ did not…[Read more]

]]> 0b0141daa09669684d9faa99a65f0607 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/has-anyone-seen-god/#post-6518 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:46:15 +1200 Exodus 35: 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me,…[Read more]

]]> 652f62a39d5fa5f95cbde06aab81047e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/has-anyone-seen-god/#post-6517 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:39:35 +1200 Exodus 24: 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved…[Read more]

]]> 7061581fff3df85669d73c776ea72280 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/page/2/#post-6516 Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:21:54 +1200 Isaiah 44: 6 Thus saith the LORD (Yahweh) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them…[Read more]

]]> fd60057ad2efb8a1a804088e1e678cd3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/#post-6505 Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:59:58 +1200 2 Corinthians 5:16 – Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

]]> 4117ee4e8877589d4daeca7e1ebd647f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-jesus-as-god/#post-6502 Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:43:15 +1200 Isaiah 43:3 – For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:11 – I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 45:15 – Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. Isaiah 45:21 – Tell ye, and bring them near;…[Read more]

]]> 4de8bba18e928416d8c699c68154b880 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-antichrist-spirit/page/10/#post-6499 Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:05:58 +1200 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while…[Read more]

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