https://heavennet.net/members/Rabsheka/activity/ Activity feed for Rabsheka. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 6107426f6803998b2df167b9fbd365ad http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/8/#post-119731 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:10:53 +1300 What can I say Samual but – Let it be!May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be with youRS

]]> 5acf3c96619ded925d24f1938942caee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/page/3/#post-119682 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:19:41 +1300 High NickI try to asume nothing. But you are right, the final place of men will be the earth as it always has been. BUT THOSE WHO WERE ONCE MEN WILL ENTER HEAVEN. The mansions and rooms are God's by the way as our Lord himself said: 1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many roo…[Read more]

]]> db6d74c641521f564f71e3db117e89f2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/page/3/#post-119664 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:18:09 +1300 Hi David,Me thinks you have been copping a roasting while I have been away having Nick pull a log out of my eye, getting a haircut and also watering his camel. However, the scripture he quotes above I indeed intended to discuss with you. Now the point is that while the man who approached was a jew under the law, Our Lord was telling him that if he…[Read more]

]]> fe692abac66107a3b2c323132a341040 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/page/3/#post-119653 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:56:16 +1300 Greetings NickSo you say “Scripture rather offers us in Jesus the mansions of Christ till we who are in him return to rule and reign with him on earth . Well, I see how a person could come to such a conclusion. And no, I don't think I would cancel your “brother” status with me over it. Yes, one day every place in creation will be our Fathers…[Read more]

]]> bb1d346dec6e83cb14ad63a464e9e6cb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/8/#post-119645 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:24:56 +1300 Hi Samual And BTI hear what you are saying BT, and although I will probably be bombarded by all the scripture lawyers around here for saying this, the Apostles and deciples could say 'The kingdom of God is near you' and the like in all honesty because it would be established when the Lord died. At that point it existed and all authorities became…[Read more]

]]> 3a06f693223fd4bb7fc3167e87bf14ed http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/try-making-a-post/page/4/#post-119577 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:38:46 +1300 Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 03 2007,15:55)analysis completed. Do you copy do you copy? ….>_> lol  Check————–try it

]]> 913fc8c0ce5ff10724474ae0420e873c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/page/2/#post-119576 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:24:21 +1300 Obviously not it!

]]> ef6f9416591b97b665c034eff24cc52c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/page/2/#post-119575 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:18:51 +1300 Greetings David, Kerwin & NickFirstly, I would like to clear up the matter of Nick's beliefs. For he began a topic called “The Scapegoat”, where he initially showed a certain reticence to declair his beliefs, but just fired back quarzi related scriptures. Now I won't go into it for it is all there for everybody to see, But David has made this…[Read more]

]]> 49808427afc2d41e059e4946e7c216da http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/3/#post-119561 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:35:12 +1300 Hi NickYou mention the principle of 2Cor 13:1. Firstly, it refers to the necessity for the witness of two or three to be necessary to establish a “CHARGE”, that is an accusation. I am not accusing anybody of anything. But I have given you a number of scriptures that I believe support a proposition, one of which from an Apostle that tells us that…[Read more]

]]> ff9c9f16f88657a8e735bb0703a1b439 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/page/2/#post-119440 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:23:04 +1300 Regards David and Nick, and othersNick, I will leave the quoting of scripture mostly to you, for you do well on the behalf of the Holy Ones in this regard. But David, I do not mean Nick is not a Holy One but that he is a particular Holy One doing a particular service in behalf of his Lord and holy brothers in this instance. He is also right when…[Read more]

]]> fe803d4769d2acdc2e23c1716c2f6cd8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/8/#post-119437 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:04:42 +1300 Greetings BTYes BT, I do like you in a funny sort of texty way. RS

]]> 1089ee2da82e6c08638913bc1f3929f5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/#post-119389 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:09:22 +1300 Greetings David and AllI agree with Kerwin and 942767 and GB and, err, Nick. (Now that wasn't hard self was it!) Those who have the Spirit are all Holy Ones, and those who do not or do not yet are not. This applies to now and to the congregations in the 1st century. For the Lord said “You must seek the Kingdom first”, both first before any thing…[Read more]

]]> 1922ac078f13e396c82dd845b87e723f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-119382 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:40:27 +1300 Hi NickI have shown you scriptures that say God has offered these angels mercy, but on certain conditions – that they accept Christ as Lord thus severing any ties to Satan they may or may not have had. Now I do not know their decision, for the scriptures do not tell me. However, if they rejected the word of our Lord then they will be judged…[Read more]

]]> 14e42cbeeeda953fa41baffc31a88b00 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-promises-you-will-stop-sinning/#post-119381 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:55:01 +1300 Greetings AllYou are right 942767. We will commit sins until we die in this tent and temporary dwelling, but in my experience less and less so as the Spirit teaches and corrects us. But it is our flesh that continues to sin in its efforts to satisfy it's hungers and lusts. He who is born again has had his sins prior to that point erased with the…[Read more]

]]> 96f4c14482068853a7542b715b721d06 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-gospel/page/40/#post-119325 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:40:17 +1300 Greetings Nick, Kerwin and others,Now I have resisted the urge to enter the discussion on THE GOSPEL for fear of being battered around the head again with scripture after scripture, all to no avail towards agreement, which is vanity. However, I have been listening within myself and have come to the conclusion that I must say to you things as I see…[Read more]

]]> 11c0f4e76ed1bef07ebf1f0c277f03e1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-119308 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:52:47 +1300 Hi NickNow Now, it was you who placed this scripture:Do angels receive pardon?2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And as I said, they were not and still have not been “terminated”. What is so difficult to understand about…[Read more]

]]> 48e9c0a13ed5bf7d9a55714d98c91245 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/baptism-68/page/28/#post-119307 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:51:44 +1300 Greetings KerwinWe had been discussing the acceptability my baptism over a few posts after you invited me here from “context”, which raised the question of whether or not I had indeed received Holy Spirit. As a result, I offered to demonstraight my belief that I had in a post on the 26th, as follows:< Now I have something for Kerwin as a…[Read more]

]]> 992a3ccf74efb851c3a2af405ca03da6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/8/#post-119306 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:18:29 +1300 Greetings Samual and BTYou sly old dog BT (LOL), using my own vanity against me to lure me back into the arguement like that – OK, I'm Guilty!However, I agree with Sam on all things in this matter. I read what the many preterists believe about our age now in a synopsis on a page on another site, for I can find nothing about such a thing in my…[Read more]

]]> bea55aab44ef8a1b0eedd2bd8718aaca http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-119305 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:53:02 +1300 Hi NickNow Now, it was you who placed this scripture:Do angels receive pardon?2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And as I said, they were not and still have not been “terminated”. What is so difficult to understand about…[Read more]

]]> ceced9a52bdfa96e33b952560a60d1ce http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-119235 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:41:30 +1300 Hi NickAbout 2 Peter 2:4, I for mine place the emphasis on “Judgement”, that is, they are YET to be judged. So, why did he not destroy them then and there if angels will not have the potential to be forgiven. There is no other possible reason for our Lord to have visited them – perhaps to check that their chains were tight enough? Now I'm not…[Read more]

]]> 2894497c68756a36c1db07e5a1bd5a16 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/7/#post-119152 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:36:49 +1300 Greetings BrothersIt has been difficult for me to argue this matter when I have not known the exact thing, ie which version of preterism we are talking about, and I am not good at second guessing or moving targets. This being said, I think enough has now been discussed to establish that the peterists got it wrong, and their often revised views are…[Read more]

]]> 93f56b407ed413a2438e6b3cd95bd904 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/baptism-68/page/27/#post-119146 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:41:58 +1300 Greetings Cindy/Irene And KerwinAs for me, I think you are doing very well Irene. And while the sinfulness of the being we once were is indeed no longer imputed to us after acquiring faith, being baptised, receiving the holy spirit and loving the brothers, WE MUST NOT PRACTISE SIN. Now you and I will sin to one extent or another until the day we…[Read more]

]]> fdaaaff7f2204601ddb3282f9284b534 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/baptism-68/page/26/#post-119076 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:42:21 +1300 Brothers, KerwinI am not certain whether you read all of my posts over at “Context”, but the whole thing began when I said I was not baptised by them, being the JWs. Then a person without really reading what I actually had said heavily implied that as an unbaptised person I could not be saved. I then went on to say that I had been baptised…[Read more]

]]> f8f6b76eca4a6b4d19948a7aa99c7cc0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/baptism-68/page/26/#post-119002 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:00:03 +1300 Men, BrothersI was invited or redirected to this topic by Kerwin who admonished me for saying that Christian baptism is symbolic, and not a miracle occurring when the bathing in water actually transports us to being dead and burried with Christ. And after reading a number of pages in this topic, all I see are people smiting each other with…[Read more]

]]> 3df4f8f36d8247775f4057e86ab563eb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/#post-118994 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:27:12 +1300 Greetings Laurel and CindyNow this below is what Peter, the first to baptise in the Lord's name after he left them, is what Baptism is:when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves y…[Read more]

]]> 6cba3c5766b29cd60cc4a8c27b38151c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/#post-118963 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:07:17 +1300 Greetings IreneYes, you are right. When I said I was not baptised I meant into the JWs. They get all excited about being baptised by them and then falling away from “the truth”, disfellowshipping and such. I was, however baptised or “christened” as a baby by a COE priest.But that is one of the problems isn't it. Does receiving baptism from someone…[Read more]

]]> b3b74ea81333964a8a08d28c410cef06 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/7/#post-118962 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:43:01 +1300 Hi Samual & BTSamual, I cannot fault your understanding thus:It appears that the close or end of the Natural Jewish system is not the “end time” referred to by Daniel. Because there was a connection with the end time and the resurrection of the dead, I can only conclude that this shattering of the holy people takes place in the future, near or…[Read more]

]]> d825acc49fb4ee9db726ec19ff05d8f9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/context/#post-118931 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:31:47 +1300 Greetings DavidI have just read your above post, and I then read it again carefully. For your comments seem to give you away as one of those people who, at the direction of their masters (the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society) seek and claim to have an “earthly hope”. Now if this is not so, please confess your sort to be otherwise and tell me…[Read more]

]]> 8732db9f794f29cf2d86fce740d69667 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-beatitudes/#post-118927 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:07:41 +1300 Greetings You PeopleI have often thought of these scriptures below, known as the beatitudes or supreme blisses if you like roman things, as being a definition for righteous people, but of two groups. I have numbered each blessing to better discuss them individually. (1)3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (2)4…[Read more]

]]> e7df57615d13e634862ab0d294dcd1b2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/7/#post-118904 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:46:47 +1300 Hi Sam & BTAs I have said, we keep seeinf both epochs in these scriptures, which can only mean one thing. Some are for one, some for the other and others for both. The trick is which are wich.O dear, my visitor is arriving. I will get back. (great discussion though)!RS

]]> 766c50e37c2f99ce085d82f37d445aec http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-118902 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:25:19 +1300 Hi NickThe lake of fire is prepared for all the unrighteous indeed, Satan, his angel followers and men resurrected to a judgement of everlasting death (Rev 20). And, most importantly death itself. But there is no scripture that says that the angels who did foresake their station before the flood belonged to Satan either – unless you count Enoch as…[Read more]

]]> e23d7f9213096b55ae8a41c64a83be8f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-118884 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:12:46 +1300 Hi NickI have already given you the scritures above, in Lev 16 and 1 Pet 3. You have chosen to deny this but have failed to give me a scripture that refutes me. This is the point of the whole thing, that is the scapegoat – it is proving that “God is not partial” like other judges. If you were an angel and God said “well, I'm going to give sinful…[Read more]

]]> df54fc18d8b227bd3896675a5e98b1e0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/page/2/#post-118838 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:59:08 +1300 Hi NickWhy do you think God does not offer preaching and mercy to angels? What is the basis of your judgement against them and what does our flesh have to do with it (“He knows we are but flesh”)? You have been shown that God has mercy for all his creatures, yet would you choose not to believe for the sake of your own pride and belief in the…[Read more]

]]> 8328a1d9fe0775092c0a9a4ec4f024f9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118811 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:47:53 +1300 Hi NickWhat do you not agree with completely? Are you saying that the Lord did not at all preach to fallen angels but only to pre-deluge men? Or even just all men dead who had not heard the Gospel from adam's off-spring down and not these angels? I do not think that the two are mutually exclusive. You began a subject called “The Scapegoat”. I have…[Read more]

]]> b4df3b2fe5c738146c3094ed602f034a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118783 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:15:36 +1300 Greetings Nick and other brothers Who find interest THE SCAPEGOAT AND WHO IS AZAZELNow what follows may seem long winded, but my preoccupation with it stems from the deep want to understand fully the rituals of atonement or Yom Kippur in Mosaic law, for we know from scripture that they are symbolic of our Lord taking our sins to…[Read more]

]]> 56a3595ee4db398ff4b936be08539f37 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/6/#post-118680 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:00:53 +1300 Greetings Samual & BTI'm lost! Whatever happened to Mat 24 and preterism. Anyway, about the earth, it is this system of things that is going to be destroyed – not the dirt and water. The metaphoric language so used throughout these various scriptures is intended to convey the finality of the judgements involved. There again, our God can do…[Read more]

]]> c3bfd75f5372d81fcc4839c80b9baca2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118620 Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:37:59 +1300 Hi NickI now know basically what it is all about. It seems I have been given something. However, I need to do a little more scripture searching before I have “knowledge” on the matter.S, I will do that today and get back on my conclusion. But you are right, it is NOT satan – but it is a spirit(s). I just need to find some other scripture that…[Read more]

]]> 51497a877625fd2906f1d52baa732044 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118578 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:01:47 +1300 Hi NickYes, when you say “Rather Azazel may represent handing over the goat to the world and it's god”, I have always suspected this is exactly the case. However, this would unargueably mean that “Azazel” is the given name of Satan, and this has deep and abiding implications if it is so. However, even the scripture in your KJV which does not…[Read more]

]]> 1a946de00210a28edaf0d5c8eca65e3a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/6/#post-118504 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:45:10 +1300 Greetings Samuel & BTYes indeed, I fully agree with your last posts and cracks are also appearing in the preterist doctrine already. This is why Preterism began to fracture and produce sub-preterisms. But back to Mat 24:Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake.…[Read more]

]]> 41131dcea63c56d05674c3c9e9dce1fb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118490 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:31:32 +1300 Hi NickFurther to my last post, the name is indeed in the ASV. The interesting thing is, is that if you accept the Lev 16:8-10 as it is rendered therein, the scapegoat is offered as an atonement for Azazel:8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for Jehovah, and the other lot for Azazel. 9 And Aaron shall present the goat upon…[Read more]

]]> 1ea43f429329263beb3bf2b27f260647 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118372 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:58:50 +1300 Hi NickI'm using the ESV on my computer. It is not in the KJV, but Im sure it is in the NIV and RSV,etc.I have not read Enoch as I shy away from non-canon writings (apocrypha), but I read along the way he was in there as the angel that introduced make-up and weapon making. Look it up at Wikipedia, which is interesting, but I would not trust any of…[Read more]

]]> c8b9de8df58c770cf8997f8e85c98abe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-scapegoat/#post-118262 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:55:32 +1300 Hi people,But who was Azazel?And he who lets the goat go to Azazel shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water Le 16:26I have searched all I can on the name and still can't reach a decision/conclusion. Can anyone help? We know it is a proper noun, so it's someone not something.Peace

]]> 0256424b07efe04dca17934d5c23423d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/6/#post-118261 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:42:58 +1300 Samuel & BT, Greetings!Re: Mat 24:6-8Further to your searchings in your last post, I have been aware of much of this material, a lot of it being from Josephus. He was a jew and a priest, onetime jewish patriot (against Rome) and then a roman apologist who composed his histories to show himself in his best light to his patrons. However, academic…[Read more]

]]> 50af730aa6219c3da2d73e1b1218c6e3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-prophet-who-and-why/page/8/#post-118231 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:10:59 +1300 Hi TheoYou are absolutely right. They have been up to their old tricks since the garden of eden as far as I am aware. However, just to show I dont think I know everything, King Saul of the wabbly knees did not want to fight the Philistines without consulting God, but at that point the Lord had denied him the right. So, he arranged for a soothsayer…[Read more]

]]> 5b1022e819de85fb886e8be8cf75469e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/6/#post-118222 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:35:19 +1300 Hi Sam & BT (and anyone else foolish enough to join this discussion on what I consider the most difficult passage of the NT – LOL). We must be brave!Now I fully understand what preterism is, and like all “isms” it has developed many sub-sets and variants just like trinityism has. So, as for me, I would rather just argue and discuss Mat 24 between…[Read more]

]]> bbdf1c1f88090447443e1dee9dba9177 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/walid-shoebat/page/2/#post-118169 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:32:30 +1300 Greetings in the Lord everyone,About Mr Shoebat. I've just had a quick read about him at Wikipedia, and yes I know it is profain knowledge. However, it was enough to help me form a position on the matter. When our Lord ascended to sit at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven, he was told to remain “until I put your enemies as a stool for your…[Read more]

]]> 7c05e53fedf99ed1a31f62cdfa0816f2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/5/#post-118162 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:18:25 +1300 Greetings BT, Rabsheka againI am not convinced that “the sign of your coming” or “the end of the age” refer to events, or at least only events” that would occur in the lifetimes of the Apostles or the 1st century. Additionally, there seems to be a very real sense that some of the prophesies of Mat 24 would apply to both ages as minor and major…[Read more]

]]> eb78839a227f11a11a669f6c88994f7f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-prophet-who-and-why/page/8/#post-118128 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:43:50 +1300 Hi David & Nickyes you may ask. It was a username I had on another non-religeous website that I chose in a moment of self deprication. I was once a military officer for over 20 years and quite the little babylonian at the time. I was the servant of powerful worldly men but thankfully did not have to kill during my career. It now just serves to…[Read more]

]]> 5abf1f9e81a0a4e6e18e6020678489cb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/preterism/page/5/#post-118075 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:06:58 +1300 Greetings S & BTIf I may join in here. Mathew 24 is difficult indeed, has been a stumbling block for many and misconstrued by others for their own purposes. And I have never read a coherent comentary on it that satisfies all the questions it raises for me. However! As I have said in another place here, scripture is not just the words as written…[Read more]

]]> e708c426eb2cb2c3c68ddb7a64fe320b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-prophet-who-and-why/page/8/#post-118038 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:15:39 +1300 Greetings In The Name of our Lord Jesus my good scripture weilding brothers, I have something to say about naughty angels:We indeed have the scriptures, and they are good for sorting things out as Paul so advised us. However, they are not always sufficient because as you know they can be used by the righteous and unrighteous alike. And also they…[Read more]

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