https://heavennet.net/members/Paladin/activity/ Activity feed for Paladin. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 03:02:33 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 388f9153590d978120b7f9d0d952b5c0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/209/#post-262223 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:25:22 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2011,11:47)Paladin,(P)Quote As for any gender issue, it only becomes an issue when someone insists God is genderless, or angels are mothers to spiritual beings. (Ed) If the issue of gender in some way comes to effect the gospel of Christ then it becomes an critical issue.  (P)Quote All males are “Ish” sometimes spelled…[Read more]

]]> 4a77e4ddded02f0b110e5e85642701a5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/209/#post-262214 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:23:07 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2011,02:38)Paladin,It is nice to hear from you.  Quote 1st:The “women” of Zec 5:9 are not angels, they are women in a vision. “Women” in Hebrew is “eesh-shaw” but angel in verse 10 is “mal-lawk.” They are not the same.There are no female angels in scripture. Are angels always called “ma-lawk” or are they sometimes call…[Read more]

]]> ac14cd2635f3aeb7cc89310b09b1afff http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/209/#post-262117 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:48:19 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 06 2011,06:18)Mike,Quote Where does Enoch teach that angels marry?1 Enoch chapter 6Quote 1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come,…[Read more]

]]> 6f0e33387256186d6de61a05fe5bcd06 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/202/#post-260606 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:24:59 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 05 2011,13:37)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 04 2011,03:27)Do you really think John is not familiar with the concept of “calling” something by a name? John does not say “and the word was called God, does he Mike? He says “the word was God.Do YOU think that John was unaware that he only spoke of one “THE god” in 1:1?  Only ONE of…[Read more]

]]> 1bbf205b36c72795b11d4fc535592099 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/201/#post-260605 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:19:50 +1300 Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 04 2011,14:05)Mike and Kathi!  Just this morning I came across some Scriptures of who has seen God…Jhn 5:37   And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.  Jhn 6:46   Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he…[Read more]

]]> 69aed572d68eb8aeba375d12be1df5ba http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/201/#post-260604 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:11:12 +1300 Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 04 2011,12:51)I think that ya'll should study how the Jews spoke about 'the Word of God' in their paraphrase of the scriptures.  I believe it is called the Talmud or the Targums but if you want to know more, I can dig it up for you.From what I remember, the Jews would replace 'Jehovah' with 'the Word of God' when Jehovah…[Read more]

]]> bfd81f8830a1806bff80342c765a84df http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/201/#post-260603 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:09:36 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 04 2011,12:21)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 03 2011,18:24)Is “aeons” “singular” or “plural”?  Does it make a difference?It is plural in Hebrews 1:2.  It refers to MORE THAN ONE AGE that was created through God's Son.Mike -“Poiew” has a lot of meanings that have nothing to do with creation; 4160 poiew – poieo Meaning: 1) to make 1…[Read more]

]]> 9a6e3f037c735cc9520379259b3185a5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/201/#post-260602 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:01:04 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 04 2011,12:18)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 03 2011,08:50)Irene……….Get it God and his words are one and the SAME, Yes Just as your words are with You so GOD'S words are with him and Yes even in the “BEGINNING was those words of His with Him Just as your words are with YOU there is no difference GOD'S word are with him…[Read more]

]]> 0d116e53a1dfb0ff9b2cde57dfc3385b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/201/#post-260596 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:39:09 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2011,02:34)Mike, if I ask you to tell me what you know about all things whether black, brown, or blue, would you tell me of things that include those are red, green or yellow?Yes Paladin,Because the phrase “ALL things” stipulates how the word “whether” is to be understood.  We've been through this discussion…[Read more]

]]> 3b56cd4d91497f31c78d3060ec25b7ed http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/201/#post-260595 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:16:46 +1300 Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 02 2011,08:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2011,04:26)Paladin,I fail to see what you claim is 'even more interesting.' I do not doubt you kathi. you know your own failures better than I.Quote What would be the 'sword' of the word of God?There are two classes of weapon in spiritual warfare. There is the spirit which is the…[Read more]

]]> 8b5962567f6b5bb038ddb365f12d0a17 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/199/#post-260363 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:00:41 +1300 Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 02 2011,10:36)Paladin?Quote Paul tells us reema I S the Spirit. Eph 6:10Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of his might. 11Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against…[Read more]

]]> b6217354af9100018e8813765472feea http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/199/#post-260362 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:54:04 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,04:53)Gene,You need to research John 1:1 a little more.  The Word is never called “THE God” in that verse.  And “THE God” is the only one we call “God”, with a capped “G”.All others are called “gods” in English, with a lower case “g”.And since the Word was WITH “THE God” in the beginning, he couldn't possibly have B…[Read more]

]]> 4322ffdfa3f50a56e43d32ff3952d46a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/199/#post-260361 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:52:19 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,04:12)Gene,Although what you posted was in English, I haven't a clue what you are saying.  I will remind you that the logos BECAME flesh.  He did not come to be IN someone who was flesh.  If one must change the scriptures for their doctrine to be realized, then something is wrong with that doctrine.Actually Mi…[Read more]

]]> 734796df388777bf1d12f5c3997101b1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/199/#post-260360 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:47:49 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,03:17)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 01 2011,09:04)When Paul tells us the Spirit is the reema of God; and John tells us the logos was God, you don't discern a difference?Paul doesn't tell us the spirit is the “rhema” of God, nor does John tell us the “logos” is God.Knowing is half the battle, Paladin.Who said he…[Read more]

]]> c7dd65847d66728fe2c6c34b8be1f0a6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/199/#post-260359 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:43:47 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,03:16)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 01 2011,09:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2011,13:34)The FACT of the matter is that sometimes “rhema” just refers to any old word spoken by any old person.  And sometimes “logos” just refers to any old word spoken by any old person.Pay close attention to Heb 11:3 and 1 Peter 1:25 and…[Read more]

]]> a1be5be08f59fffa3277f4f6f4489d88 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/199/#post-260358 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:30:25 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,01:57)It is scriptural that David is the root of Jesus – ACCORDING TO THE FLESH – making Jesus the branch of David.  But it is equally scriptural that Jesus is ALSO the Root of David, meaning that in some way, Jesus came BEFORE David. Exactly Mike. And I have told you many times what that [“some way” is. It is…[Read more]

]]> 6986d5de176b440f62abe72a12af4445 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/198/#post-260354 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:17:33 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2011,13:34)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 30 2011,08:54)Quote (mikeboll @ 64) The FACT of the matter is that sometimes “rhema” just refers to any old word spoken by any old person.  And sometimes “logos” just refers to any old word spoken by any old person.Claims without examples.1 Cor 2:4My conversation and my preaching were…[Read more]

]]> 394e17b54745c63e517e1a9307ce620d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260316 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:05:06 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2011,23:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2011,06:22)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 27 2011,07:38)Mike,The whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 8 is concerning food sacrificed to idols, even the clause “all things”.  I also know that godly knowledge comes from God through, by, and for Jesus Anointed.  Paul was just supplying a tool that his r…[Read more]

]]> 65313e4bc7b8c5597fd9d148b4238cba http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260313 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:02:49 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2011,12:29)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 25 2011,20:20)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Kerwin, in 1 Cor 8:6, what exactly is included in the “ALL THINGS” that came from the Father? Hearing that context causes me to conclude he the “all things” of 1 Corinthians 8:6 is congruent to that of the “all things” that God has given Jesus..…[Read more]

]]> 1ed48cb971dc02426aaca591552645a5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260310 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:48:19 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2011,02:24)Agreement is a good thing, Kerwin.  Now if we could just get Paladin on board……………..  Paladin is already in agreement with the scriptures.That is why I agreed with Kathi when she corrected my error.That is also why I disagreed with Kathi when she insisted the scholars are correct. Can't say I b…[Read more]

]]> d3999a4392a89eefe4ecc935c034f988 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260309 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:42:14 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2011,15:10)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 23 2011,16:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,10:10)Paladin, from your point of view, is the following a fair assessment of your belief:The Messianic Prophecy is the Root of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, and so on down the line until Jesus Christ.  And the fact that the…[Read more]

]]> 1d6472888733e22dfc7d0424c6f15c51 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260308 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:25:44 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2011,15:02)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2011,00:57)Mine is that Jesus is a spirit son of God because he continually walks according to the teachings.Your understanding has God just picking any old human out of the blue and placing His Spirit on him (like He did to MANY other prophets in the past). Mike, can you comprehend…[Read more]

]]> c4155fe6320beaf3002bf450e0ce1a4b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260303 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:46:44 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2011,13:52)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2011,22:34)I am convinced that the experts do believe that the two words are not always synonyms and I am confident God chooses his words carefully to advance his righteous plan.If they are “not ALWAYS synonyms”, then there is no “set rule of thumb” regarding them.  Like I said:…[Read more]

]]> 1e42aa3d6e375830e7348d8de1ec0947 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260301 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:38:54 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2011,11:50)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 21 2011,20:14)I have heard Mike expressing that he did not find the evidence he heard that Paladin has given as being creditable.What you've seen is Mike giving actual scriptures where “logos” refers to any written or spoken word.Well, Mike, at least that's your claim. you have yet to…[Read more]

]]> fd6b225baeb7e04e79bdaa923f73fb4d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260294 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:59:11 +1300 Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Oct. 09 2011,13:25)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2011,10:45)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Oct. 09 2011,10:21)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2011,04:37)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 07 2011,10:26)KERWINQuote if you believe Jesus is King IS BEING THE SON LESS THAN BEING KING Hi Pierre,Yes, Prince is son of the King; YHVH is King and Jesus is…[Read more]

]]> 411f62adfacca001520c0663d3022fb5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/197/#post-260293 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:48:08 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2011,12:26)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 21 2011,21:41)Why should the Spirit of God put in explicit letters in one passage which it has already made explicit in the spirit of the whole of all that which it wrote?You mean like Jesus being a pre-existent being who was having glory alongside his God before emptying himself to be…[Read more]

]]> 7cfb069cf4c0b506e3a27526437b23f5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/193/#post-260077 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:37:49 +1300 Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 05 2011,17:19)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 04 2011,03:33)Paladin, I fail to see what you claim is 'even more interesting.'  There is nothing in your post to contradict what Boyer said which I quoted and put a link to.I also do not know why you are struggling with this.  What would be the 'sword' of the word of God?  If you re…[Read more]

]]> d5bfd2d10dc4da48592ebfcb5d8c6150 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/193/#post-260073 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:21:56 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 05 2011,15:12)Paladin,Is the use of Aion in Hebrews 1:2 singular or plural in Hebrews 1:2.Mike believes it is singular.I would like to know how to tell the difference and what source on the internet my aid me in learning.Thank you.I think most internet sources will help in finding the basic word forms, though their…[Read more]

]]> 452295ad9a8021a239625e747770476d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/192/#post-260002 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:23:56 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 05 2011,13:37)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 04 2011,03:27)Do you really think John is not familiar with the concept of “calling” something by a name? John does not say “and the word was called God, does he Mike? He says “the word was God.Do YOU think that John was unaware that he only spoke of one “THE god” in 1:1? Only ONE of…[Read more]

]]> 3d401d635b3fd2397bd5154de5e6bd45 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/192/#post-259995 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:13:49 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2011,02:39)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 01 2011,16:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,03:17)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 01 2011,09:04)When Paul tells us the Spirit is the reema of God; and John tells us the logos was God, you don't discern a difference?Paul doesn't tell us the spirit is the “rhema” of God, nor does John tell us the…[Read more]

]]> 81fe699082a1b35f6eb6d0bb3a8dbc00 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/191/#post-259918 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:27:19 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2011,02:58)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 01 2011,16:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,04:53)Gene,You need to research John 1:1 a little more. The Word is never called “THE God” in that verse. And “THE God” is the only one we call “God”, with a capped “G”.All others are called “gods” in English, with a lower case “g”.And…[Read more]

]]> ae3d97f3894fdc8cfdd8579ba568fc82 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/191/#post-259914 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:33:08 +1300 Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 02 2011,08:23)Paladin, I fail to see what you claim is 'even more interesting.'  There is nothing in your post to contradict what Boyer said which I quoted and put a link to.I also do not know why you are struggling with this.  What would be the 'sword' of the word of God?  If you replace the 'spirit' with 'word of Go…[Read more]

]]> c8c4a9e06898c2e932389d5dcc5da543 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/188/#post-259806 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 09:47:35 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2011,15:02)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2011,00:57)I am stating that an explicitly expressed idea is more convincing than a argument based on personally perceived implications.I agree.  Especially when those “personally perceived implications” result in absurd statements and conclusions.Mike, is an absurd thing an actual thin…[Read more]

]]> 6c746cf8acffc61f4f94f5892024ccee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/187/#post-259797 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:27:05 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,04:53)Gene,You need to research John 1:1 a little more.  The Word is never called “THE God” in that verse.  And “THE God” is the only one we call “God”, with a capped “G”.All others are called “gods” in English, with a lower case “g”.And since the Word was WITH “THE God” in the beginning, he couldn't possibly have B…[Read more]

]]> 31624f7591516165a62627d93b957a1b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/187/#post-259796 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:23:53 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,03:17)Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 01 2011,09:04)When Paul tells us the Spirit is the reema of God; and John tells us the logos was God, you don't discern a difference?Paul doesn't tell us the spirit is the “rhema” of God, nor does John tell us the “logos” is God.Knowing is half the battle, Paladin.Right. John tells us…[Read more]

]]> 78f1c5f9433374fc990162803c0dddb0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/187/#post-259795 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:14:00 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2011,11:33)Hi Kerwin,I believe that the phrase “ALL THINGS” has the default meaning of ALL THINGS.  I agree with you that context and/or logic COULD narrow the scope of the phrase to include only certain things.  But I don't see any context in John 1:3, Col 1:16, or 1 Cor 8:6 that would make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR to a…[Read more]

]]> c891c90df0611e496c58080c93c2c306 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/186/#post-259738 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:04:27 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2011,13:34)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 30 2011,08:54)Quote (mikeboll @ 64) The FACT of the matter is that sometimes “rhema” just refers to any old word spoken by any old person.  And sometimes “logos” just refers to any old word spoken by any old person.Claims without examples.1 Cor 2:4My conversation and my preaching were…[Read more]

]]> 68dc2f2a64d03ecba9b4c742c3523eeb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/186/#post-259675 Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:08:07 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,10:10)  Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,02:23)You seem to think that a root can only be on one side of the tree, that of begetting the tree, but that is not so. Scripture tells us of a root that dried up, and could bear no fruit “from the tree.”That makes perfect sense.  If the root dries up, the things that FOLLOW c…[Read more]

]]> 270ddd505032fc46c18010ba58e8b4a3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/186/#post-259673 Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:54:44 +1300 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,09:42)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,01:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2011,03:29)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,06:33)When I quote John 1:1 telling us “the logos was God;” then offer another verse that tells us “the spirit, which is the reema of God,” and then give you my conclusion that the logos was God and the…[Read more]

]]> dc00464b3fb8bfc7adbdc2bea06ed489 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/186/#post-259671 Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:26:09 +1300 Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2011,04:26)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,04:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2011,06:50)Paladin,Quote You are correct, in that spirit is genitive. I've got to stop posting when I get tired.The nominative neuter singular  relative pronoun “o” replaces spirit which is genitive neuter singular, not sword which is accusative…[Read more]

]]> d782dc2b3469e0e1375e8950466a8135 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/184/#post-259442 Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:45:12 +1300 Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2011,13:27)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,14:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2011,10:50)Gene did not corrupt God's word and neither did I, We simply tried to find a way to explain it so you would understand it.Well, Gene believes that Jesus being the ROOT OF David means that Jesus CAME FROM David's roots.  Is that a correct…[Read more]

]]> a3756f35455f03a56f6997c520228348 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/183/#post-259263 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:42:43 +1200 Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2011,04:26)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,04:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2011,06:50)Paladin,Quote You are correct, in that spirit is genitive. I've got to stop posting when I get tired.The nominative neuter singular  relative pronoun “o” replaces spirit which is genitive neuter singular, not sword which is accusative…[Read more]

]]> c881c342a7c1b54496a8e20769e7b18a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/183/#post-259262 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:34:28 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,10:10)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,02:23)You seem to think that a root can only be on one side of the tree, that of begetting the tree, but that is not so. Scripture tells us of a root that dried up, and could bear no fruit “from the tree.”That makes perfect sense.  If the root dries up, the things that FOLLOW…[Read more]

]]> 29bcf1eb848cdaae6364014ecea47463 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/183/#post-259261 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:33:41 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,09:42)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,01:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2011,03:29)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,06:33)When I quote John 1:1 telling us “the logos was God;” then offer another verse that tells us “the spirit, which is the reema of God,” and then give you my conclusion that the logos was God and the…[Read more]

]]> 3497ce4ca93f558fc7548e97432e9337 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/181/#post-259056 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:00:09 +1200 Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2011,16:42)Pierre,Quote it does not matter how God made his son as a human ,… It matters if God changed his Jesus from some other being into a human being as Jesus can only be a descendant of David if his body side is a descended from King David.  To change some other body into a genetic match of David’s genotype does not…[Read more]

]]> f52586ef4c7c827e4fb06b57fadf85f1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/181/#post-259055 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:03:45 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2011,11:39)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2011,00:20)My purpose for pointing out that Isaac is the root and offspring of Abraham was not a quote from scripture but was an example of how Jesus is the root of and offspring of David.Well, if it's not scriptural that Isaac was the root of Abraham, then why would you claim it as…[Read more]

]]> f64e4921e3beafae0f2319ced35c2653 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/181/#post-259053 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:53:19 +1200 Scripture shows that the root comes “out of” OR IS FOUND IN THE DESCENDANT OF THE ONE NAMED.Judges 5:14 Out of Ephraim was there a root of them against Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer. And the root “again takes root” passing on the seed of…[Read more]

]]> 33b49c65982cb64f7315db3c0bb0990d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/181/#post-259052 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:35:17 +1200 Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2011,06:50)Paladin,Quote You are correct, in that spirit is genitive. I've got to stop posting when I get tired.The nominative neuter singular  relative pronoun “o” replaces spirit which is genitive neuter singular, not sword which is accusative feminine singular.It does not throw off my understanding of the verse…[Read more]

]]> 3c9661a92a6fdf7d40110d32f4c8330d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/181/#post-259051 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:47:02 +1200 Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2011,03:53)PaladinQuote Unless you accept what scriptures says about it, I cannot give you any answer but yes.It was God who said – “He (Jesus) shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him (Jesus) the throne of his father David:” Now, if you want to know how God is the…[Read more]

]]> be04bf8a3947d652005c228bf04bbddf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/examination-of-the-incarnation-doctrine/page/181/#post-259050 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:43:11 +1200 Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2011,12:11)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,15:44)As for Jesus “coming down from heaven”, you will never come to an understanding of it's meaning because you are blinded by the words instead of seeing the message behind the words.What are you talking about?  I HAVE come to an understanding.  When my Lord says HE came d…[Read more]

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