https://heavennet.net/members/Mercy/activity/ Activity feed for Mercy. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 18470953192ddf2d812290909490f0c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/10/#post-36181 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:50:25 +1300 PENTECOST AND THE COMING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT1. The festival most Christians know as Pentecost is called Shavu'ot in Hebrew. Because of the narrative of Acts 2, much of the church is still familiar with Pentecost. Christians recall the story of the mighty wind, the tongues of fire, the coming of the Holy Spirit, and the speaking in different…[Read more]

]]> e1c099dee190ca030d7214cd6174d77b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/10/#post-36180 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:49:44 +1300 Unfortunately, I have to leave for work.

]]> 2aa0eece91d273017da0897db0c48aa9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/10/#post-36177 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:45:20 +1300 HOW ARE GOD THE FATHER AND YESHUA ONE?1. To most Jews, including many Messianics, the nature of God is defined in the Shema: DEUTERONOMY 6:4 ” Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one ! (NKJV) Messianics apply this understanding of the oneness of God to a confusing statement by Yeshua recorded in the tenth chapter of John's Gospel. In…[Read more]

]]> b6498e305bb1b3a9fb7eee1aa77c8a0b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/10/#post-36176 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:44:15 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,23:39)Quote I just told you how it is possible.If I put a penny in a jar and then put that jar inside of a box. Then then both would be inside the box. MercySo God is the Box, and Jesus is the jar and the Holy Spirit is the penny?So how can the jar hold the box? And how can the penny hold the jar? With spirit…[Read more]

]]> 076a2737cb38577b60091f957c3c7cd5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/10/#post-36174 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:40:34 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,23:33)Quote just told you how it is possible.If I put a penny in a jar and then put that jar inside of a box. Then then both would be inside the box. Mercy By your analogy, is there anything or anyone but God himself that could contain all that he is? Where are you going with this? I assume you are trying…[Read more]

]]> 7b8aedbf121e91a2f0be28bd8294797c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36172 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:38:27 +1300 WJ,I understand how you view the Godhead. I am very familiar with it. My entire premise is that you have misunderstood , misinterpreted what was actually written. I have been taught for years exactly the same things you keep saying. I know that view.I am trying to share a view that I think is far more accurate, is corroborated by the early church…[Read more]

]]> 6651ded7619d77f12b5dce1210d93f20 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36170 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +1300 I just told you how it is possible.If I put a penny in a jar and then put that jar inside of a box. Then then both would be inside the box.

]]> de89c725797b5edc85a0f98adc98b166 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36167 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:22:34 +1300 PENTECOST AND THE COMING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT1. The festival most Christians know as Pentecost is called Shavu'ot in Hebrew. Because of the narrative of Acts 2, much of the church is still familiar with Pentecost. Christians recall the story of the mighty wind, the tongues of fire, the coming of the Holy Spirit, and the speaking in different…[Read more]

]]> 13a2137cc6bb729c1e464d3f11ecdaa2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36166 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:21:38 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,23:15)Quote Because the father is in christ and christ is in us, thats how. Mercy Jn 1:11 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.I Jn 5:2020 And…[Read more]

]]> 174632216c770013c3a1ad245a496ae7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36162 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:58:49 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,22:57)Quote Hi W,Two.One God God is One GOD HAS A SON. One NH.How can you have the Father unless you have the Son?“He that hath the Son hath the Father” Father, Son and Holy Spirit these three are One! Because the father is in christ and christ is in us, thats how.

]]> 151260199f1ce8bc052f2c448458c20c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36159 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:57:36 +1300 Fair Enough

]]> 67a2bf96423ec4e9da033cbda2ae57ba http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36157 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:36:40 +1300 If you want to know MY view read the studies I posted.

]]> e356ca7885c735f8543ca846fa37b4da http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/9/#post-36156 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:35:52 +1300 I think you misunderstand. I gave you a link to higher critics. Whom I DO NOT agree with.

]]> f32b56414ef876e207ae268c289b3ebe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/8/#post-36154 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:30:06 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,22:28)Quote “Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god – a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush.””A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used…[Read more]

]]> 0508726cfb1e2a2884b26d5143bdb535 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/8/#post-36150 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:09:51 +1300 Please read my 3 studies above:It reflects my view that:God is the Most High named YHWHJesus is his preeminent firstborn son who he gave his name to. (YHWH)Jesus was the angel of the Lord and was who appeared throughtout the old testament. No man has seen the father.God is One, yet he governs through his might ones and sits at the head of a divine…[Read more]

]]> a48a6011dfdf8cdd59dd0f4287c35b4a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/8/#post-36147 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:06:00 +1300 I believe it was this site:http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html

]]> bc2ddca4af2e3aa7561d42d25ac3b5ad http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/8/#post-36142 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:47:46 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,21:40)Quote However, if we accept the rendering of Deuteronomy 32:8 found in the Septuagint and the Hebrew copies of Deuteronomy from Qumran (which is supported by the testimony of the Book of Jasher), we face the same dilemma that the Jewish scribes later faced. Did the Hebrew Scriptures at one time suggest…[Read more]

]]> 07bd896cb37639d3c98d47c3322723a9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36138 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:37:22 +1300 Study 3:THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE1. When viewed without bias or preconceived ideas, the Bible reveals quite a lot about the structure of the Godhead. Unfortunately, most people's view of God is shaped primarily by tradition, with Scripture taking a secondary position. Trinitarians believe that God is three distinct but inseparable persons…[Read more]

]]> ef4161288f444ad30e338e1570b63e2d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36137 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:36:16 +1300 Study 2THE NEW TESTAMENT IDENTIFICATION OF THE MESSIAH1. The first part of this study (Who Is Jesus Christ?) examined the historical context for understanding the true identity of God's Messiah, Yeshua the Nazarene. We will begin the second part by looking at the information regarding the identity of the Messiah which begins the scriptural letter…[Read more]

]]> 5a9cedc7f93c560829ac5f7d9abcb229 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36136 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:34:31 +1300 Study 1:WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?1. Since Jesus Christ (Yeshua the Messiah) walked this earth as a human 2,000 years ago, there has been a controversy over who he really was. The Bible tells us in many places that there is only one true God (Deu. 6:4; Mal. 2:10; Mark 12:32; Rom. 3:30; Jam. 2:19; etc.). So where does Yeshua fit into the Godhead? Most…[Read more]

]]> b6679c24657004588a635ce2397efe67 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36134 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:31:48 +1300 I know that these studies I post are long. But, if you truly want to understand my position then read them. If you see all kinds of errors then set me straight. I have researched this alot (not a pride issue, I know we all study alot). I am not just picking a view I like best nor am I just remaining faithful to a tradition based off of where…[Read more]

]]> 6b9f75f4e60d59a2c34744a700e44031 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36132 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:27:24 +1300 THE HEAVENLY DIVINE COUNCIL1. For nearly the past two millennia, there has been a general misunderstanding of the way God governs the earth. As this study will establish, there is a heavenly council of spirit beings that currently rules over our world. Paul referred to this group of spiritual entities in the sixth chapter of Ephesians: EPHESIANS…[Read more]

]]> 69a0ab2b2363a9af71a0d2e63ee3f0ae http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36130 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:26:23 +1300 THE HEAVENLY DIVINE COUNCIL1. For nearly the past two millennia, there has been a general misunderstanding of the way God governs the earth. As this study will establish, there is a heavenly council of spirit beings that currently rules over our world. Paul referred to this group of spiritual entities in the sixth chapter of Ephesians: EPHESIANS…[Read more]

]]> 0909bc860addc4a67d4f7bdba1c0e9b2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36129 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:24:16 +1300 The fact is there is alot, overwhelming almost, of evidence for the governing council and for the Jesus being the angel of the lord. So much evidence that the early church fathers mention these ideas at length. So much scriptural evidence that you will have to keep saying over and over, “Well, I know the scriptures say that, but what it really…[Read more]

]]> 19d443d10539a80c067b6110e2caa347 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/7/#post-36126 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:16:15 +1300 I don't quite follow you Nick on the witnessed proofs.However, I have huge numbers of scripture and a huge number of 1 century Jewish and Christian writings that attest to:A divine councilJesus being the angel of the lordJesus being createdChrist walked the earth

]]> 76ff3c3131af2a03fe2ea8962bfcfab7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/animals-in-heaven/#post-36102 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:50:58 +1300 Christ rides a white horse at his second coming. Is this literal of allegorical?

]]> e14bc9a43b2057cce62829b2f6ffc5ec http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/6/#post-36099 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:46:40 +1300 THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONEWhen viewed without bias or preconceived ideas, the Bible reveals quite a lot about the structure of the Godhead. Unfortunately, most people's view of God is shaped primarily by tradition, with Scripture taking a secondary position. Trinitarians believe that God is three distinct but inseparable persons in one…[Read more]

]]> acc8ccbcc8b77ba3f6c591b49070bd67 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/6/#post-36089 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:31:39 +1300 Please read the above study about Jesus being an angel. Then after reading, tell me if you do not, at the very least, see a compelling case. Search your heart honestly.

]]> f47fa8ec32514875d5426cf483dceac5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/6/#post-36087 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:29:00 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,07:24)Quote The bible says that Jesus is an angel. It's just that you interpret the very same verses differently. We share the same text, just not the same interpretation. Perhaps, you can explain why the early church fathers agree with me.Here is an excellent study on the issue:MercyEspecially this One!Exod…[Read more]

]]> ddfb29d185ce07a97cb5311f9a1e848e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/6/#post-36082 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:23:52 +1300 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 07 2007,07:20)Mercy and David!”Polytheism”Belief in several deities: the worship of or belief in more than one deity, especially several deities.So tell me. Do you believe these scriptures?Deut 5:7Thou shalt have none other gods before me.Exod 23:13And in all that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no…[Read more]

]]> ad74e8e845a4f40f46c5b2241eb24f28 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/6/#post-36077 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:21:17 +1300 Nick,The bible says that Jesus is an angel. It's just that you interpret the very same verses differently. We share the same text, just not the same interpretation. Perhaps, you can explain why the early church fathers agree with me.Here is an excellent study on the issue:THE NEW TESTAMENT IDENTIFICATION OF THE MESSIAH1. The first part of this…[Read more]

]]> f3ffb3b47a15b8585d81fc937bb1628e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36066 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:24:11 +1300 The main problem I feel is that they believe they would be slipping into polytheism to not acknowledge the trinity.This is guiding there lack of honesty. Not that they are being maliciously dishonest rather self deception.We have over the years created a definition for what polytheism and monotheism is. All indication from scripture and history…[Read more]

]]> f1a41df88e2f7c174b07f108ce7058e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36056 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:00:59 +1300 What truly is the definition of polytheism?Aries, Thor, Athena and Apollo are examples of gods.Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Satan are examples of angels.These two groups are both supernatural beings that are not all powerful, all knowing and eternal.The Father called his sons gods. Paul said that when you make offers to idols you are making offers…[Read more]

]]> 4d1b106713073e419256964e3f5ce5c9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36033 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:50:13 +1300 Again is it really polytheism If only the Father has always existed as one First God. Any action after that is a reflection of his will. If he wants to create sons and give them positions of authority it doesnt not change the central truth of One God above all and before all.Comparitively the concept of the trinity sounds more like polytheism.

]]> acafd4226427c35b4a8d8d82ec65e468 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36032 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:47:38 +1300 ♦ 1 Corinthians 8: 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ♦ Psalms 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto…[Read more]

]]> c802e4dafac064283045b5c646676730 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36031 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:45:51 +1300 I didnt make that charge of scripture tampering. I should have clarified that I was copying and pasting the work of the scholars. However, I do believe that scripture has been tampered with. It's obvious thats why we have different manuscripts.

]]> f01012526f32cdff2778b3a3ec380850 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36030 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:43:19 +1300 El's name is also YHWHHe gave his name to his son.So Jesus received the name YHWH also.Exodus 23 20 “See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in…[Read more]

]]> 1abae047ec19089af761d20c09523d28 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36017 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:57:04 +1300 Good night, Enjoyed it as well.

]]> 6a9ed6c1971a7f801abf80b12287349d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/5/#post-36016 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:56:14 +1300 sorry that last ones source is:(pp. 538-539, vol. I, The Ante-Nicene Fathers, “Dialogue with Trypho”)

]]> 7b9ad8b093a5f54082fb8cc5478cf700 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36015 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:54:34 +1300 here is a good one:”. . . Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said. . . . And do not suppose, sirs, that I am speaking superfluously when I repeat…[Read more]

]]> aaf1703adc1453ea12283a9f2ac65c75 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36014 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:53:24 +1300 In what follows, some may imagine that he says something plausible against us. “If,” says he, “these people worshipped one God alone, and no other, they would perhaps have some valid argument against the worship of others. But they pay excessive reverence to one who has but lately appeared among men, and they think it no offense against God if…[Read more]

]]> 4b76fd8a310b21e52439c5d59eb7a629 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36011 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:47:27 +1300 . . . But our Physician is the only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son. We also have as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For “the Word was made flesh.”…[Read more]

]]> 77cfb2ed65049d1c1287badb34c571cf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36010 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:37:12 +1300 Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,09:34)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,09:09)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:59)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:52)You know all the verses, probably by heart, that i could throw at you. These boards are filled with them.We both know that it is a matter of interpretation. What is literal, what is figurative, what exactly…[Read more]

]]> 65ed1ac8fce15454a3b6d65156ee0d6b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36009 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:35:37 +1300 God is also the co-creator of ALL things, but he did not create himself either.Like I said, “Everyone can make an interpretation that makes sense.”Now, granted not “every” church father necessarily agrees. But the vast majority do, in particular, all those known to have discipled under apostles.It is my belief that we can gain much insight on…[Read more]

]]> 46ab58f88b61a78a7ca6b6731c2df689 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36006 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:27:43 +1300 I should clarify, I haven't found anything, I stronlgy disagree with.As time goes on I see more and more changes in doctrine until the explosion of heresies at nicea.

]]> 901ba6e186f1b66a6d4435986e767f6e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-scripture-only-discussion/page/4/#post-36005 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:17:53 +1300 Very good post, seeking truth.

]]> 6813a8d219482ca0ef95df12c0b43bc1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36004 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:09:53 +1300 Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:59)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:52)You know all the verses, probably by heart, that i could throw at you. These boards are filled with them.We both know that it is a matter of interpretation. What is literal, what is figurative, what exactly does that mean.But I on the other hand have the shared opinion of the…[Read more]

]]> 1feb4249c7da9f982a53e9fe1dccdbd0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36003 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:09:01 +1300 angel just means messenger, you know that.Jesus is a son of god. when he gives messages he is called an angel. Jesus was the YHWH the angel of the Lord.semantics.Jesus as an angelGalatians 414and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus.Hebrews 1″Your throne, O…[Read more]

]]> 90a947afcfb7b5448d1ec55614742eb7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/4/#post-36000 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:52:54 +1300 Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2007,08:48)Quote (Mercy @ Jan. 06 2007,08:11)This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I will show you this verse. You probably have read it before and have a theological stance already in place on it’s interpretation.However, the early church fathers disagree with your interpretation if that be the c…[Read more]

]]> 7202f0dd2618cba76f5663d9a3db4d88 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/question-to-the-trinitarians/page/3/#post-35999 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:48:18 +1300 I agree with everything you say.The angels are the sons of God.The angels were gods.

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