https://heavennet.net/members/Mandy/activity/ Activity feed for Mandy. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 b35a3d06ba5cdb0a94659e6a79f65436 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/28/#post-85065 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:52:52 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2008,09:31)Hi Mandy, You are not a disbeliever. Just checking stuff.Thanks, Nick. Ya, I've been thinking this too. I wonder if my other account is still active? Ha! I'm just fickle right now, there is no other way to discribe me. One day I'm sure, the next day I'm not. Good grief.

]]> f7c039c458314c0a0ac0a5b32061916a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/28/#post-85000 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:20:50 +1300 Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 28 2008,08:20)You know what Mandy, I still question why t8 took your posting right in the believers tread away? If you did not deny Jesus being our Messiah?That is why I said what I did.Peace IreneHe didn't take away my posting rights in the “believer's” section, I laid them down. I thought that it was only…[Read more]

]]> 65b8f10c1844ec0b39ea24011edfd2ad http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/28/#post-84999 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:16:44 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,16:44)Hi mandy, We must endure.Matthew 24:13″ But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.1 Corinthians 13:7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.2 Timothy 2:10For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the…[Read more]

]]> 3758f7fc45d1e66e20357a68ff41b2a3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/27/#post-84959 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:36:04 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,16:19)Hi mandy, Really?You know of a better way than faith?Do I sense sarcasm? That's so surprising coming from you! Nick, faith and “reasoning together” do not have to be opposites. When God called Abe he didn't say, “Don't question me, just believe!” He said, “Come, let us reason together.”One can have…[Read more]

]]> fc80163ead9082cce918a1f8f546f27e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/27/#post-84957 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:10:07 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,08:31)Hi mandy, God sends the Comforter. We are poor servantsNick,You are not a poor servant but rather a stubborn servant. You see the points that are being raised but choose to safeguard the status of what you have come to accept as the “truth”. But when this truth is questioned you say, “Don't question it.”…[Read more]

]]> f6a8cec8832f23b27f71c6c8e7dea941 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/27/#post-84912 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:27:41 +1300 Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 26 2008,17:51)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 26 2008,16:16)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,16:05)Hi mandy, It is not the godless gunman blazing away that is the real threat but the soft shoe philosophy salesman who would pick your pocket of faith.Nick, I know you mean well.  However the things that Cato writes are not…[Read more]

]]> db99be270bd2ca2a99425830cffe91ec http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/27/#post-84905 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:20:34 +1300 Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 26 2008,19:58)Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2008,19:04)Quote This has made me question blind faith in Christianity.  When I ask questions and I am only told to not ask questions, that makes me wonder? Mandy, I too have often stated the same.  If I'm talking to someone such as Nick and I repeatedly ask him a question t…[Read more]

]]> 3d3fd2c2a6fad88547d6a0b7eea58b5d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/26/#post-84871 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:16:36 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,16:05)Hi mandy, It is not the godless gunman blazing away that is the real threat but the soft shoe philosophy salesman who would pick your pocket of faith.Nick, I know you mean well. However the things that Cato writes are not a threat to my faith, nor do I see them as purely humanistic. What has been more a…[Read more]

]]> da3391d870ec356b923586f57ac72f4b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/26/#post-84867 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:45:48 +1300 Bro Samuel [in response to “Have a good testimony” thread where apparently I cannot post – ridiculous!),I've been touched by the down-to-earth way you post. It's refreshing to say the least.Hey, let me encourage you my brother, you are not alone. Many folks battle with anger issues and addictions to video games. Many people suffer with ADHD.…[Read more]

]]> 3fe94fe609e145eb1db6201eceae5dd5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/26/#post-84866 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:32:14 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,06:41)Hi cato, Like it or not it is God's way or no way. His ways are written=the rest is vanity.Yes, this is definitely encouraging. We are without excuse WITHOUT scripture. Just observing nature and the God's creation let's us know that He IS. With Stu being the exception (Hi, Stu!).Using our imaginations…[Read more]

]]> b56eb9ddcfc2e15cf664ea0480626364 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/25/#post-84865 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:29:00 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,06:37)Hi cato, Humanism?Reason rules over all? Yes that sort of religion is immensely popular.That isn't even close to what Cato has shared! Look again. Read without judgemental thoughts already in place.Nick, you banter. It's not helpful. In fact, it's one of the reasons I no longer fully enjoy this site.…[Read more]

]]> 2774b874b13ab811da3b6dd9267b498d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/25/#post-84796 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:38:48 +1300 Quote (Cato @ Mar. 25 2008,22:31)The OT view and so I think in turn yours, is a very narrow and limited view of the Almighty. I for one, would think the Creator above regret and repentence.Hi bro Cato,I've been away for awhile. Contemplating and praying. I've just now read a few posts and it's the same old thing – banter and judgmental…[Read more]

]]> 47c5fe5f4337817985c747da7abe7b0c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/11/#post-83964 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:37:05 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2008,09:23)Hi KJ, So the fear that involves the fear of punishment is not godly fear.It isn't? There are certainly behaviors I would like to feed if it were not for the “Godly” fear in me of eternal punishment for such “sins”.

]]> cdab5701090187b4c6a278e3a19cea3a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/10/#post-83900 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:41:13 +1300 If I'm going to fear something…..I at least would like to know why I am fearing it. If I bring scripture up for a critical evaluation I don't want it to be said of me that I am not fearing the Spirit who wrote the words…..because how do we know the Spirit wrote the particular words (passages of scripture) that are being discussed? You see my…[Read more]

]]> 81669db45fce9342ce35c5ef6872297a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/10/#post-83899 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:38:26 +1300 But you say those who are holding the scriptures up for public mockery show no fear of the Spirit who wrote them……how is that a fair statement/judgement if you must sort through the various manuscripts to find the one that is the least flawed (if that is even possible).The bottom line is the written Word is still flawed, it is just to which…[Read more]

]]> 79b4919cf4cf9879f14a5ff6842cc03e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/10/#post-83894 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:24:04 +1300 Hi Nick,I understand. But the question is how do we determine which words are from God and which were the writings of the not-so-diligent men? Do we rely soley on the spirit of God to show us? That doesn't seem too reliable since the spirit of God tells folks many differnt and opposing things?You see my direct concern?

]]> 1f860fd833289c7045b62bfdec1fe33d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/10/#post-83892 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:08:15 +1300 Below is a quote from Nick on a thread where I cannot post:Hi,Those who are holding the scriptures up to public mockery are also despising the Spirit of God Who wrote them. They would not do that if the feared our God and His warning about speaking against His Spirit. ************************************Hi Nick,I've asked you this before but I…[Read more]

]]> 75597c542db22a20e8595947fefbd5c9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/10/#post-83891 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:54:28 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,08:14)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,15:11)Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,08:03)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,14:48)Hi mandy,So far such need for knowledge has led many on this site to insult God.Oh, and for the most part this is totally offbase. Most are not insulting God by pointing out the various problems with…[Read more]

]]> 5535bcd99dcfb4be939fd286964566e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/18/#post-83889 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:44:05 +1300 Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 14 2008,11:14)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 14 2008,07:35) So, somehow I'm not surprised that way back then a women would have to marry a rapist.  Hi Mandy,But would you be surprised that it was God that said she had to marry the rapist? And pay her father 50 schekles.Most of the bad ways that women were treated was directly r…[Read more]

]]> 5bf17cb699e6915160303e9e03be3c68 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/introductions/#post-83888 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:26:46 +1300 Hi Wed,Welcome. I believe “David” is from Canada here, but I'm not positive.There are lots of different belief systems here and some really good debating going on at any given time. Have fun.Mandy

]]> 39f7da53ea6881628d62298e534ea1c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/9/#post-83814 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:05:43 +1300 Have a good day brother's!I'm off to paint my bedroom now…..Love you both,Mandy

]]> 914f255b6b6e457e7057fce66860d680 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/9/#post-83813 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:03:53 +1300 Nick,I think Kevin is kicking you at of the sanbox. Telling you to take your ball and go home now! Seriously though, I think if you used less banter and more patience with Kevin you may both have a conversation that last longer than one-liner's are meant to.

]]> 4db8416737825a8f1347cc2a2a1b7209 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/17/#post-83809 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:59:17 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,07:54)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 13 2008,14:50)If the bible is so obviously flawed, why do you think intelligent men have looked to it for salvation for millennia?One word: fear. Same reason that Islam is outpacing Christianity in rate of growth.Do you still have holy fear, Kevin?

]]> 7b795ae87838518567a3d26549c43b5b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/9/#post-83806 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:56:14 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2008,07:48)Hi mandy,So far such need for knowledge has led many on this site to insult God.  5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8It…[Read more]

]]> 8abdaf0dce0ab3585318f0c7155d335e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/17/#post-83799 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:50:01 +1300 If the bible is so obviously flawed, why do you think intelligent men have looked to it for salvation for millennia?

]]> 7570fd050516ecdeae5c6b38b0c3454d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/9/#post-83792 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:43:36 +1300 Nick I know you don't like to “question” anything, but why keep judging those who feel free to wonder and ponder outloud?Maybe it is your Catholic background that keeps you from straying too far from Mother Church and her guidance? You know, God really is big enough of a Father to answer the question, “Why?”. Trust Him.

]]> a8a4ba6efea255570d9aebd3439d8b66 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/prayer-for-others-16/page/3/#post-83790 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:41:35 +1300 I'll remember mom!My brother has had both of his knees replaced. That is a hard surgeryto recover from. God be with you all! Love,Mandy

]]> 2c82358cccc2cb409db09ad49b5196da http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura/page/5/#post-83788 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:39:54 +1300 Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 14 2008,07:28)Hi Mandy,In my mind it doesn't matter. If all scripture is good for teaching then we are taughtthat God may ask us to kill one of our children. If we believe that, and God doesn't stopus and provide a lamb, we are guilty of murdering our own child.Nick likes to say “who are we to judge God” but he did not…[Read more]

]]> a1fd868c464419a72978a829d20297ae http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/16/#post-83787 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:37:42 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,07:27)Did you know that the OT is full of “doublets” and “triplets”? That is, stories told and retold by different authors. One author will call God “Yahweh” while the other author will just use “El” or “Elohim”.I confess that I have never been able to read the whole OT. It's too complicated and I get lost. I've…[Read more]

]]> 79bd1bd51970ad82ac1ab3e5f359c725 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/16/#post-83785 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:35:23 +1300 There are many ref's towards women in the OT that are shameful or even scary. But realize that women have only made foward strides in the last 100 years, really. So, somehow I'm not surprised that way back then a women would have to marry a rapist. Goodness, just the thought of that makes me want to throw up my breakfast.

]]> a5d097a3b721717f6eec953664dd7b4d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/prayer-for-others-16/page/3/#post-83780 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:21:41 +1300 My friend, Andy, goes in for his biopsy tomorrow. He was crying last night on the phone. I feel so helpless. Please pray for him and his dear family. I love them all so much and they are such dear friends to us.Thanks everyone,Mandy

]]> 367676738a2ea5d1e0a0da29b50d9aa6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-and-christian-theology/page/8/#post-83779 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:18:11 +1300 Quote (Cato @ Feb. 12 2008,06:02)With such sublime beauty, grace and order marking creation, I can not conceive the architect of same creating such a chaotic way of dispensing salvation and damnation.Well said, Cato.I wonder what God thinks of the written Word?

]]> 6c3e72ac161a4b2b8e54469091c9c6d7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura/page/5/#post-83778 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:12:50 +1300 Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 14 2008,03:56)Why would God even command anything that obscene as a test. People have to have a way to tell if something is from God or not and it is taught in the OT that God may tell you to kill your own child as a test.Would any of you kill your child if you thought that God told you to, or would you say that God could…[Read more]

]]> a647eb54db4892927ff3f00d3a1099d4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura/page/5/#post-83776 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:10:28 +1300 Quote (Cato @ Mar. 13 2008,23:33)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 13 2008,15:34)Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 13 2008,13:19)In other words, have “blind faith”. No thanks, see my tagline.Abe knew with his mind that taking the life of his only son made no sense.  But he had faith in God and went ahead to obey.  Whether or not the story is true, it's a good example of “…[Read more]

]]> f249d63f9aa2472b5a383d8b2951b22f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/16/#post-83774 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:05:06 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,00:01)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 12 2008,22:20)Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 13 2008,14:51)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2008,21:41)Hi KJ, You want to see everything? Faith is better.John 20:29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.Why is…[Read more]

]]> 4f166ac545e738cbec126ed228d6e82e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/16/#post-83762 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:09:39 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,16:08)Hi mandy, We never had an agreement written to send a Messiah.In the case of the Jews, isn't the Messiah and the Saviour the same thing only different titles?

]]> 7651c58b12b1064f00c81b4df5ae009a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/16/#post-83760 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:43:34 +1300 This is a very elementary question but why did God need to send a designated “Messiah” for the Jews and the same man is called only our “Savior”? Why is he not our Messiah as well?

]]> 0ffba99264f330abf65da1a7d3f16dd2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura/page/5/#post-83759 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:34:30 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 13 2008,13:19)In other words, have “blind faith”. No thanks, see my tagline.Abe knew with his mind that taking the life of his only son made no sense. But he had faith in God and went ahead to obey. Whether or not the story is true, it's a good example of “blind faith” in action.

]]> 2db7506ab6d1f5468ae0039dea21c1dd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/16/#post-83757 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:23:08 +1300 Also, what about the things we “get wrong”? What if one of them is whether or not Jesus is the Messiah?

]]> cf7e3a3bef4c6110340fd7b870224b19 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/15/#post-83756 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:22:22 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,08:55)Hi mandy, Perhaps follow the wisdom of Mary.Luke 2:19But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.We cannot know it all now.We will always have got some things wrong. Jumping to premature conclusions is not of wisdomPremature conclusions……..how long do you have to study before your…[Read more]

]]> d7a4ba0ea87417d08e7592e9520d8494 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/15/#post-83755 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:20:10 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 13 2008,14:51)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2008,21:41)Hi KJ, You want to see everything? Faith is better.John 20:29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.Why is faith better when there is little to have faith in?!? Must I have…[Read more]

]]> 491218aecd91b7c4a6afc03f9f3ef6ba http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/14/#post-83699 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:10:14 +1300 Hey Nick,Question for you – when someone like Kevin looks at the Bible as critically as he has, and he finds the things that he has found, what do you suggest he do with his findings? A lot of what he has found is there for anyone to see (I've verified a lot of what he has presented as being obviously true). A lot of the loop holes do exist. Is…[Read more]

]]> a940ae2f84b7e2fc54ce4c8aaa933961 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/13/#post-83671 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:38:25 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 12 2008,15:04)What both Jews and Christians fail to bring forward is that 1975 years have passed since Jesus and many more have passed since the Jews' last “deliverer”. I think both have been in a mode of very wishful thinking for thousands of years. Both looked for either Jesus or the messiah to come back in the first…[Read more]

]]> 22336a2458e35f07f71766e1b6eb3a9e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/getting-to-know-you/page/2/#post-101735 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:19:35 +1300 My married name is also German (a very common German name I'm told – kind of like “Smith” in the states). I went from a very easy to pronounce maiden name to a married name I always have to spell out for everyone. UGH.

]]> 08ba283c357c9a160dd3d4fd2a907912 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/getting-to-know-you/page/2/#post-101732 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:36:09 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2008,09:02)Hi Mrs, You have not been around long enough to see how much attack admins come under here and why a certain privacy is essential to keep at the work.Nick, I can appreciate your privacy. Mainly because I have read enough back logs to know of some of the attacks you are speaking of.Through participating on…[Read more]

]]> 571b7dbe74c53d335ed7b6090f61e441 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/13/#post-83668 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:31:44 +1300 Quote (Towshab @ Mar. 12 2008,11:06)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 11 2008,13:43)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2008,19:21)Hi david, You may find this link helpfulhttp://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks1.htmOh, man is this helpful to me!  Thank you.  I don't feel qualified to discuss th subject but I'd like to start studying it.After you wade through all of that, try <…[Read more]

]]> 72112609b8884e63afa7944027de227d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-is-the-messiah/page/13/#post-83647 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:43:15 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2008,19:21)Hi david, You may find this link helpfulhttp://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks1.htmOh, man is this helpful to me! Thank you. I don't feel qualified to discuss th subject but I'd like to start studying it.

]]> ae3fb6c82928b7576d99f25e963cf164 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/12/#post-83625 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:33:50 +1300 Sis Irene,I had a very touching story I wanted to share in the “Positive” thread but didn't have posting rights there. I tried to copy it over to this thread and lost it. It was just too long for me to type over again (I'm too tired tonight). So much for trying to fellowship.Sorry. I'd like to participate in that thread but I'm not allowed…

]]> b248a3c4d8af669975763373e570fd26 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/12/#post-83624 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:21:37 +1300 Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 11 2008,15:17)Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 10 2008,21:30)It's such a pain to not be able to post in the “believer's” section!  I wish you would reconsider what a “Believer” is, t8.  I mean, Kejonn and myself believe in God and Jesus – isn't that enough?  Thanks.I believe in God and a historical Jesus. The second may not cut the  m…[Read more]

]]> 71f60cf31f849757dfc231e57e0ea8ce http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/general-answers-to-posts/page/11/#post-83610 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:30:11 +1300 It's such a pain to not be able to post in the “believer's” section! I wish you would reconsider what a “Believer” is, t8. I mean, Kejonn and myself believe in God and Jesus – isn't that enough? Thanks.

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