https://heavennet.net/members/Irene/activity/ Activity feed for Irene. Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:58:49 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 af4fe6c5924ff9d4786ea74274372ec2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-11/page/32/#post-102172 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:35:32 +1200 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 20 2008,03:08)Irene…..what's so important about John 1:1, is trinitarians as well as preexistences can not find any other scripture that shows were Jesus is said to specifically preexist at all so they all uses John to try to get across they point, because if they can get people to see Jesus as the Word John is…[Read more]

]]> 44e296ab432788dc9417116ea0b49667 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/songs-to-praise-god/page/3/#post-102170 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:50:10 +1200 Mandy thank you for joining me in Song. God is so good and greatly to be praised.Love Irene

]]> 86257cd278ba07403e21f90307307eb5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-part2/page/102/#post-108712 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:59 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 20 2008,03:19)Jesus called his FATHER God.Jesus never called himself God.Jesus never called the Spirit God.Why believe the Trinity?Good question, which I have asked our Son in so many words, but the God of this world has blinded them.When one sees all it seems so clear, but to them it is not.t8 is right in His assessment. The…[Read more]

]]> 868484495a4fc0b872b24e68cd4ce4f4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/songs-to-praise-god/page/3/#post-102164 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:03:47 +1200 GOD OF OUR FATHERS1 God of our Fathers, whose almighty handLeads forth in beauty all the starry band.Of shinning worlds through splendor in the skies,Our grateful songs, before Thy throne arise.2 Thy love divine hath led us in the past In this free land by Thee our lot is cast. Thy Word our law Thy paths Thy chosen way.3 From wars alarms, from…[Read more]

]]> 0fe1d20de7390f3127d235b25df2cfbd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/songs-to-praise-god/page/3/#post-102161 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:48:08 +1200 THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KP YOUThe Lord bless you and keep youThe Lord lift His countenance upon youand give you peace.The Lord make His face shine upon youAnd be gracious to you, be gracious.The Lord be gracious to you.Amen, and AmenPeace and Love Irene

]]> 569f110af59bc51178b9cfe1f00bd8d2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-beast-of-revelation/page/3/#post-102158 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:56:02 +1200 Hi SamualThese four beasts in Dan. 7:3, are in fact the same four kingdoms as in the statue of metals, Dan. 2:32-33. Yes, verse 17 does explains it, what other four beasts are there except the four beasts from verses 4-7? They are the four empires starting with, Babylon, head of gold and the lion.Medo-Persia, arms and chest of silver and the…[Read more]

]]> d71b14f14923d4e1b725dcfd6638b3e0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-102153 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:10:56 +1200 Hi 942767Dan. 11:29 “At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter”.”HE”, is the king of the north. The appointed time was in 1789 when Napoleon invaded Egypt.The former was in B.C.30 when Cleopatra, Queen of Egypt, with Mark Anthony, stood up against Rome. When their army was…[Read more]

]]> 1dd1bd6c247584e99b9b9c0ca78c53aa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-102114 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:07:14 +1200 Hi 942767True, Syria is north of Egypt, and they had many skirmishes between each other, but Macedon is by far the most northern kingdom. When Rome invaded Macedon in B.C.149, Rome took on the biblical title, King of the north.

]]> 93358b775472f07156535c4db45c556a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-74/#post-102085 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:45:47 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2008,07:34)come on in you simple ones come and rest your weary boneswe''ll look after your book and compass while you restthe way is very hard on knees, your feet now must need ease we've been there and we know it's hard to struggle on in pain so we've been thinking and come up with another easier planyou'd been misled…[Read more]

]]> 93358b775472f07156535c4db45c556a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-68/page/40/#post-211459 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:45:47 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2008,07:34)come on in you simple ones come and rest your weary boneswe''ll look after your book and compass while you restthe way is very hard on knees, your feet now must need ease we've been there and we know it's hard to struggle on in pain so we've been thinking and come up with another easier planyou'd been misled…[Read more]

]]> d25b117b2b46616fc27d0a654512e6a9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-102081 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:30:01 +1200 Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2008,09:10)Quote (Irene @ Aug. 18 2008,16:06)Hi 942767Mat. 24:15 is speaking of Antichrist, who through his false gospel, would destroy the truth about Christs sacrifice. I would not say it was just prior to the holocaust, since this abomination has been practiced since the third Century.And yes, Mat. 24:21,22 are referring…[Read more]

]]> 0ab4047ffdca8401d24f62ee7f2e2abb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/salvation-76/page/6/#post-102079 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:25:29 +1200 Ephesians 2:8 tells us this” For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourself, it is a free gift of God,verse 9 not of works lest anyone should boast.But when we do Sin and I believe all still do, we have a Mediator Jesus Christ so we can go in front of the Throne of God and ask for forgiveness of our Sins. And God will be…[Read more]

]]> 933f0bd21fb9b9f4c6b34bfaf993a654 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-74/#post-102013 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:33:59 +1200 PRAISING GOD EVERY DAY IS MY INTENTION HERE,WHETHER SOME OF MY BRETHREN WILL JOIN ME?I CERTAINLEY WOULD REJOICE IN THAT, AND SO WOULD GOD, I AM SURE OF THAT.A WISE MAN SAID A LONG TIME AGO, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE, SINGING IS PRAYING TWICED.I HEARD MY HUSBAND SAY SO MANY TIMES, THAT HE CAN'T SING, BUT WHEN HE OPENS HIS MOUTHA NICE SOUND COMES…[Read more]

]]> 933f0bd21fb9b9f4c6b34bfaf993a654 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-68/page/40/#post-211456 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:33:59 +1200 PRAISING GOD EVERY DAY IS MY INTENTION HERE,WHETHER SOME OF MY BRETHREN WILL JOIN ME?I CERTAINLEY WOULD REJOICE IN THAT, AND SO WOULD GOD, I AM SURE OF THAT.A WISE MAN SAID A LONG TIME AGO, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE, SINGING IS PRAYING TWICED.I HEARD MY HUSBAND SAY SO MANY TIMES, THAT HE CAN'T SING, BUT WHEN HE OPENS HIS MOUTHA NICE SOUND COMES…[Read more]

]]> 0bf3d54368eef8e3c1424d9a1383f48f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-74/#post-102012 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:23:46 +1200 How long, O Lord, will Thy forget me?How long wilt Thou hide Thy face from me?How long shall mine enemies triumph over me?Consider and hear me, O Lord my GodConsider and hear me, O Lord my GodLighten mine eyes, lighten mine eyesLest I sleep the sleep of the death.Let not mine enemies say: I have prevailed against himPrevailed against himFor my…[Read more]

]]> 0bf3d54368eef8e3c1424d9a1383f48f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-68/page/40/#post-211455 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:23:46 +1200 How long, O Lord, will Thy forget me?How long wilt Thou hide Thy face from me?How long shall mine enemies triumph over me?Consider and hear me, O Lord my GodConsider and hear me, O Lord my GodLighten mine eyes, lighten mine eyesLest I sleep the sleep of the death.Let not mine enemies say: I have prevailed against himPrevailed against himFor my…[Read more]

]]> 5cd84e575b6ab0974e507e74f17fa3b1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-11/page/32/#post-102011 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:07:44 +1200 Quote (dirtyknections @ Aug. 19 2008,02:25)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2008,01:38)T8………this whole thing about John 1:1 is what trinitarians us to do two things , one to try to show Jesus' preexistence and His Identity as the God of creation. Both preexistences and trinitarians hinge the belief system on this simple verse and the word…[Read more]

]]> a7875b4383381e4f7037973c54c87a3f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-102002 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:31:54 +1200 Hi Mandy, how are you?Logic and common sense does have a place in understanding, other wise we would be just as blind followers. It would not be logical for scripture to say, Christ died for all, and then to insist he want give them a chance, that don't make no sense either.Bless you Mandy

]]> e8e520e12fdadf24a224d1baca066b43 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-102001 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:21:05 +1200 Nick Holding on to the doctrines of man will not give you understanding, you have to allow the Holy Spirit to come into your heart, only He can show you the truth.Insisting on being right, is no guarantee for salvation.Georg

]]> 7c0aa3745d1e466b7d4649adf882ce43 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-beast-of-revelation/page/2/#post-101999 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:09:23 +1200 Hi SamualI just want to clear up the scripture you referring too, Dan. 7:17.Dan. 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.v. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.Dan. 7:17 merely explains what these four beasts are, four kings, or…[Read more]

]]> dff8ad607ddd7eabe092feb80fbae3cf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-101957 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:18:11 +1200 Nick Salvation is by faith for those who live now, because we can't see what we believe in.In the millennium it will be by obedience, because there will be no guessing what or whom to believe.God would not have his son die for all of us, and then punish those that simply could not understand  the message.The first resurrection is for those that…[Read more]

]]> 0d4337d231632e2ad44dcefb05c5a93a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/3/#post-101955 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:06:48 +1200 Hi 942767Mat. 24:15 is speaking of Antichrist, who through his false gospel, would destroy the truth about Christs sacrifice. I would not say it was just prior to the holocaust, since this abomination has been practiced since the third Century.And yes, Mat. 24:21,22 are referring to the holocaust.Mat. 24:29 is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled, and…[Read more]

]]> b4a308746d4e9ea4e75ab79335b282ed http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/2/#post-101951 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:47:39 +1200 Hi NickI will answer you first. No I did not forget the rest of that verse, what I gave you was enough to make my point, but here is another scripture for you.John 5:28 “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,v. 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the…[Read more]

]]> 89d3cee3d89127fa466ca9f491b127a9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/getting-to-know-you/page/9/#post-101934 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:20:59 +1200 t8 Thank you for the Video, I loved it. Na, your not that old.Peace and Love Irene

]]> 01e03762e133e673c3fae20835c37f7a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nicolaitanes/#post-101930 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:51:33 +1200 Topical

]]> c8a201e3699a9fd874593e61df7d1f88 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/2/#post-101927 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:46:31 +1200 Hi 942767Yes, that is what Jesus was referring too.Hi Nick1 Cor. 15:22 “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive”.v. 23 “But every man in his own order;…”By the time Christ will rule in his kingdom, all the saints that will rule with him will have already been resurrected. All the rest in their graves will come up as…[Read more]

]]> 1790c75e2e15aef546cff9813fc17afb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/prayer-for-others/page/31/#post-101911 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:50:29 +1200 Please pray for the people of Florida. I have a friend in Sebring, Florida and my Husbands Brother lives in Tampa.Peace and Love Irene

]]> 6b9473be8f609c71920dc81dc08ceea6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/2/#post-101899 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:26:43 +1200 Hello 942767Dan. 11:31 is the strong arm of the Catholic Church, who polluted the sanctuary (the temple of God, the saints) with the popes doctrine. They took away Christs ongoing, never have to be repeated sacrifice, and replaced it with the abomination, the mass sacrifice.It was Napoleon who put up his tabernacle (dwelling place), his tent,…[Read more]

]]> 2a32f7e28d9359eca32a83b063bd667a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-74/#post-101884 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:44:25 +1200 Which will not be moved.I, the Rock, I the River, I the TreeI am yours-your Passages have been paid.Lift up your faces, you have a piercing needFor this bright morning dawning for you.History, despite its wrenching pain,Cannot be unlived, and if facedWith courage, need not be lived again.Lift up your eyes uponThe day breaking for you.Give birth…[Read more]

]]> 2a32f7e28d9359eca32a83b063bd667a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-68/page/3/#post-210901 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:44:25 +1200 Which will not be moved.I, the Rock, I the River, I the TreeI am yours-your Passages have been paid.Lift up your faces, you have a piercing needFor this bright morning dawning for you.History, despite its wrenching pain,Cannot be unlived, and if facedWith courage, need not be lived again.Lift up your eyes uponThe day breaking for you.Give birth…[Read more]

]]> eb9e50582f703e63a0abda64284ec65c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-beast-of-revelation/page/2/#post-101880 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:38:22 +1200 Hi SamualDan. 7:17 are the same kings described as beasts in verses 4, 5, 6, and 7. And no, I did not say sea, the bible does. Sea is a metaphor for nations, and earth is a metaphor for people; after all, are not nations made up of people? The little horn had nothing to do with the political government, that is why he did not come into power until…[Read more]

]]> 8c3f22b5c5f426b52ed73435c82dfdb7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/2/#post-101879 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:11:51 +1200 Hi 942767I hope you did not expect my answer to be a short one.Dan. 11:29, is speaking of the King of the north, invading the King of the south. Rome was the King of the north, and Egypt the King of the south. The two successful invasions by Rome were in B.C.30 and in A.D. 269.In A.D. 565 western leg of Rome collapsed, and was from then on…[Read more]

]]> e21803f643ac64bc4f7b24b7b80ec182 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/prayer-for-others/page/31/#post-101871 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:11:12 +1200 Jah, just another pain to get use to. You know what, with God's help all is possible. Sometimes just sitting on the deck surrounded by Tree's and my Impatience, I look up into into the Sun and let the Sun make me warm all over. Then I think of God and His Love how He made all this beauty for us, and I feel very small, yet important, cause He must…[Read more]

]]> 5634d15552e05c5d1360a0c3413e91c8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-11/page/31/#post-101849 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:16:28 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 17 2008,16:58)In the beginnng was the light?  Not according to scripture, so it seems:Genesis 1:2 (New International Version)New International Version (NIV)Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society     2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God…[Read more]

]]> c4ca5ce0304e145b0ea708e4d9bd2a31 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/page/2/#post-101702 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:01:25 +1200 Hi 942767You are absolutely right of course, and Jesus was baptized and anointed at the end of 69 weeks. His ministry started immediately after his baptism, week number 70.That is what Dan. 9:27 is all about.Georg

]]> 5886ffaeb87b4f9035cffe6734924ed1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-74/#post-101693 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:27:46 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2008,08:27)Hi Irene,The same self sufficiency that leads men to prefer their own understandings often also causes them to turn of the source of truth, the bible, when there is conflict. Reject the bible and stand on your own understandings and it is an easy choice to reject Jesus and the our revealed God and become as…[Read more]

]]> 5886ffaeb87b4f9035cffe6734924ed1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-68/page/40/#post-211451 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:27:46 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2008,08:27)Hi Irene,The same self sufficiency that leads men to prefer their own understandings often also causes them to turn of the source of truth, the bible, when there is conflict. Reject the bible and stand on your own understandings and it is an easy choice to reject Jesus and the our revealed God and become as…[Read more]

]]> bb39e2522ca88264e5356587e4cbb22d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/#post-101691 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:23:51 +1200 Hi 942767 Which came first the 7 weeks or the 62 weeks? Georg

]]> bdce37d59f66cafe466b1e8bd99228da http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/getting-to-know-you/page/9/#post-101835 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:26:21 +1200 T8 Our Humming Birds are mostly Grey with green bellies. Some have red bellies. Thank you for those Pictures. We do not have any Parrots only in the Zoo. In any event we are so fortunate to have all these Birds that God created for us.Peace and Love Irene

]]> 103514622e97d2d44918ae7991cbe109 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-74/#post-101685 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:16:16 +1200 Nick Where do you get your Poetry from? Some seem rather none-believers. Is there any need for any God? I say Yes, to that. Songs come from my Heart, cause that is what I love to praise God with. God is Love, and in Love I do those Songs to Him our Almighty God. This is from Handel's ” Messiah.” WORTHY IS THE LAMB Worthy is the…[Read more]

]]> 103514622e97d2d44918ae7991cbe109 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/poetry-68/page/40/#post-211449 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:16:16 +1200 Nick Where do you get your Poetry from? Some seem rather none-believers. Is there any need for any God? I say Yes, to that. Songs come from my Heart, cause that is what I love to praise God with. God is Love, and in Love I do those Songs to Him our Almighty God. This is from Handel's ” Messiah.” WORTHY IS THE LAMB Worthy is the…[Read more]

]]> bcb277e9ff722a8bde6fd98efc1769e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/#post-101684 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:03:57 +1200 942767, hiAre you suggesting there are two sets of 62 weeks?Georg

]]> ad0c202b1b45f61e20ebb5fe40f78a45 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-11/page/30/#post-101676 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:30:47 +1200 Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2008,05:45)Irene……..i know how you see it, and i respect you views, But i would have you answer one thing first how is it possible for a WORD to actually (BECOME FLESH) that is impossible because a word is Spirit and not Flesh. But it could come to be (IN FLESH)  and that is what Happened God's words were in…[Read more]

]]> 7eb30dcb10ef4bc9a2dbee4842d98176 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/prayer-for-others/page/31/#post-101673 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:17:49 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 17 2008,04:32)Quote (Irene @ Aug. 15 2008,08:17)We all need to respect our Brothers and Sisters in Peace and Love. Getting upset with others because of Sriptures is not wise, is it? You do agree? It is hard to disagree with someone in a loving way, I do realize that.Sis Irene,Thank you for this post!  It is not our jobs to…[Read more]

]]> abb09a2f2d899fa3afa1799867d6953c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-11/page/30/#post-101666 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:03 +1200 All I have been doing is reading your Post for awhile, but not saying anything to it. Since I have time today, I will put down how I see it. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God. And the Word was with God. And the Word became flesh. First lets look at the Word of God, who became flesh. Is He a real person? We have to look at…[Read more]

]]> 4e7b9f7b151c6809ed6fe46a76018a53 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/abomination-of-desolation/#post-101650 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:03:32 +1200 Hello 942767, if I may come in here.It is so common to apply Dan. 9:27 to Antichrist, were in fact it speaks of Jesus Christ.Consider what the 70 weeks are telling, Dan. 9:24.It would take 7 weeks, or 49 years, to rebuild Jerusalem and her walls.After 62 more weeks, a total of 69 weeks, Jesus would be baptized and anointed as the Messiah.Right…[Read more]

]]> 98e4002ac82f1d840c49a2757b0b436c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-beast-of-revelation/page/2/#post-101648 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:15:22 +1200 Hi SamBeasts are kingdoms/governments, or political elements as you put it.Daniel saw four of those beast rise up out of the sea. The Sea symbolizing all the other kingdoms/nation/governments. Kings used to enlarge their territory by force, that's why they are given beastly names.Earth on the other hand symbolizes people being ruled over by these…[Read more]

]]> cabff636c4896840ba833c5fa1c781c6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/getting-to-know-you/page/8/#post-101827 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:45:19 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Aug. 16 2008,18:09)I didn't see any dingos when I was there. What happened to them?Here is a dingo in Southern Queensland somewhere.Sorry I don't know what Dingo's are? Looks like a Fox or a coyote. Will you believe we had one go through our yard not to long ago. Did not know what it was either, a coyote or Fox. We have Deer all the…[Read more]

]]> d7e86e0daf538da2e4e15f2489d09762 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/getting-to-know-you/page/7/#post-101818 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:58:28 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Aug. 16 2008,14:28)I have a friend in Noosa and I booked a day tour.I arrived here and then if I remember rightly we took a 4 wheel drive to the interior of the island.But I cannot remember who ran the tour, it was back in 2002 or thereabouts. The tour was informative and the guide explained all about the unique properties of the…[Read more]

]]> 5ba89571ce24db325b15cc28b1335beb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-beast-of-revelation/page/2/#post-101620 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:11:02 +1200 Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2008,11:31)Hi:If my understanding is correct the “Babylonian Whore” represents the church with all of its false doctrines.  The Mother of Harlots is the Catholic church from which all of these false doctrines that are in the church orginate.God BlessYou are right.Peace and Love Irene

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