https://heavennet.net/members/Human/activity/ Activity feed for Human. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 15:08:38 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 283f8f31f67affd7909596befb077dde http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-dead-in-christ/page/2/#post-5709 Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:35:37 +1300 Nick,You might look at Revelation 11. It seems to be very related to the vision that the three apostles saw. It also talks about two prophets and they are described to have the same abilities as Elijah and Moses had – ability to close the skies (Elijah) and ability to turn water into blood (Moses). You will see there that John is not talking about…[Read more]

]]> 7f16340f982bb8e2ed281b9fe6cdd9b5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/i-john-57/page/2/#post-19723 Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:30:42 +1300 Nick,I think we have double information here and in the topic “The Dead in Christ”. I have explained some of my views in that topic.Also Ramblinrose's link makes some good points, although I do not agree with the claim that the paradise is the third heaven. But that is another topic.

]]> 3cc309974c0efb1d431e55c0ff827c10 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-dead-in-christ/page/2/#post-5704 Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:24:21 +1300 Nick,Of course I do not want to claim that the verse is wrong or modified. As you said, there are not real proof to that. But what I WANT to say is that Jesus' disciples did not pay much importance to this event, even if it did happen. Why should we?

]]> 558ae06f10b5fe6d55ad0e9d36b4fab4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-dead-in-christ/page/2/#post-5700 Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:25:01 +1300 Hi Nick,If you take the part “they entered the holy city” out of the scripture, the verse could easily mean that graves were broken open, bodies of the dead were thrown out and appeared to many (especially if you look at the meaning of the original Greek words there). Of course, I do not want to claim that the scripture is wrong or altered there.…[Read more]

]]> df005c0da957b85987446bba69c8bea0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/i-john-57/page/2/#post-19720 Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:01:44 +1300 Nick and t8,Sorry, you misunderstood me. I did not say that Adam and Eve went to heaven. I was just making a point that if they did not sin, they would still be here on earth. They did not go to heaven. They returned to dust. They were no more. They died. God's initial plan was to fill the earth. And also – I do not think that Elijah, Moses, or…[Read more]

]]> 9559f857daf188a11f8bf79a3c2c8620 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/i-john-57/#post-19705 Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:54:35 +1300 t8,I think it is very important to understand what was God's initial plan towards the earth and mankind.Genesis 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”God did…[Read more]

]]> b037ee3265590ba573c36b60fa816b0c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-dead-in-christ/page/2/#post-5690 Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:58:00 +1300 Hi,my response to the first post in this topic:Were some of the dead actually raised to life straight after Jesus' death? Why then other apostles did not report this event in their gospels or later letters? This clearly should have been an important matter. But nobody mentioned it later. Not once. Quite the opposite – as 2 Tim 2:18 says, the…[Read more]

]]> 34bf4721db29c68a5a5376b27e4765c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/i-john-57/page/2/#post-19715 Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:16:22 +1300 Just wanted to add a quick post regarding 1 John 5:7.If you look at the context and verses around it, it is clear that those three bearing witness are the SPIRIT, the WATER, and the BLOOD (not what trinitarians claim this verse says).To t8,I really liked some of the reasoning you provided in this topic. It fully corresponds to what I believe.Just…[Read more]

]]> c6ea85b0673533043e00d76ac941a894 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/page/2/#post-19023 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:55:24 +1300 Not sure what you mean by “judge more harshily”.There are only two options. Either you go into everlasting life or everlasting destruction. The “sheep” and “goats”. Those who “do Jesus' Father's will” and those who do not. None will be left in the middle.And we all will be judged – Rom 14:10.But that does not mean that we all will be punished.…[Read more]

]]> fa8918ea5d710cd5d91c3352e88a218f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41662 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:57:02 +1300 Nick,Here is what Rotherams translation says about Revelation 1:1:The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to point out unto his servants the things which must needs come to pass with speed,–and he shewed them by signs, sending through his messenger, unto his servant John;Even if your translation does not say that, would you not…[Read more]

]]> 16015ad51f076a9df14045989ecce527 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41627 Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:38:08 +1300 Nick,It seems that you take symbols in Revelation literally.Rev 1:1 …And he sent forth his angel and presented in signs through him to his slave John.What you said comes in conflict with the following:1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.Jesus was resurrected as a spirit not a…[Read more]

]]> ecdd8391e81bd2975815cabddb8090a6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-false-church/#post-19007 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:42:56 +1300 Hi,I cannot agree with shakai7.The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (from Genesis to Malachi) uses the word “Hades” 73 times, employing it 60 times to translate the Hebrew word she´ohl', commonly rendered “Sheol.” The divinely inspired writer of Acts, definitely showed Hades to be the Greek equivalent of Sheol when he…[Read more]

]]> 696229e4ba52aec958165c4c47af9169 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41623 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:18:54 +1300 Hi Nick,I think there is a lack of logic if God ressurects all dead only just before the second judgement at the end of the 1000 yr reign. Would it be wise to resurrect millions of people just to kill them again? Many of them will even not know what they are judged for and by who. In my opinion, much more likely God (who is love) will give a…[Read more]

]]> 50665c3d0bbb0cf21d9e007fc681f109 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/gods-law-vs-moses-law/#post-5163 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:45:15 +1300 Modem Mouth,Romans 3:20 Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin. We cannot get saved by obeying to Moses laws. Its goal was to show what is sin and to prepare us for Jesus' coming. Of course, God did not just simply change his mind. Jesus summed up the Law into two basic…[Read more]

]]> caa2d8d25668f22e828b49bb969255c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/gods-law-vs-moses-law/#post-5154 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:07:28 +1300 Moses' laws no longer apply to us.Chapter 7 of Acts actually explains a situation when the Christians started to argue if the Moses' laws still apply to non-jewish Christians who wanted to join their congregation. They called together all the apostles and, by consulting with God's spirit, decided the following:Acts 15:28-29 “For the holy spirit…[Read more]

]]> 3de615e11655e8108a2938a7d526b2c9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/5/#post-41621 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:55:12 +1300 Hi Nick,I am back. Sorry, I do not have too much time to go into details but I will try again to answer some of your comments.You said that the others are not resurrected until the 1000yr reign is over.I assume you base it on Revelation 20:5 which says “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the…[Read more]

]]> e397e5bf72a23c6dbd7425e6e6afffa6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/5/#post-41614 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:32:52 +1300 Hi Nick,ok, I will try to answer your questions the way I see them.Do you think men go to heaven?Yes, but not all of them.Daniel 7:22 says that God's “saints” will “possess the kingdom.”Revelation 5:10 “And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” (btw over whom shall they reign?)So there is a group of people in…[Read more]

]]> 9acac485332e07e61f8415ca416656ac http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/5/#post-41612 Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:17:50 +1300 Hi Nick,I am so glad that we can have this nice discussion. It is always very pleasant to talk with people who value the Bible as much as I do.So – to answer your question – no, the second death is not the same as the first. We know that there will be a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous – Acts 24:15. It means that all people that have…[Read more]

]]> ce82c99444baa914a4127e8f3039b71f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/5/#post-41610 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:12:04 +1300 Yes, God instructed to kill all people of several nations that opposed the holy nation. Of course, this is not love towards those nations, but is a love towards the Israelites. And another very strong attribute of God is justice. Those nations worshipped idols, sacrificed children, had prostitution in temples etc. One of the Mosaic laws was to…[Read more]

]]> d69406b51128c658bb3a0d27c6cd3171 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/5/#post-41608 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:27:18 +1300 well…At Daniel 7:2-8 he describes four beasts coming out of the sea, the first resembling a lion, the second a bear, the third a leopard, and “see there! a fourth beast, fearsome and terrible and unusually strong . . . and it had ten horns.” This is remarkably similar to the wild beast seen by John in Revelation chapter 13. That beast also has…[Read more]

]]> c28f5776c7da0b48e555d9b829647642 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/4/#post-41606 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:31:20 +1300 I very strongly support the opinion that the Bible explains itself. A very big help for understanding Rev is the book of Daniel. I would actually call it the “Bible Reader's Guide to the Book of Revelation” because it is much more comprehensible and contains many actual explanations of symbols.For example, the beast that appears in the book of…[Read more]

]]> b83fdc97984a85b5bcee79cf3c4da518 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/understanding-the-holy-spirit/page/3/#post-5124 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:52:00 +1300 I just wanted to comment that there are several meanings of the word “spirit” in the Bible – the context shows that it is not always the same and we must be careful about what we understand by “spirit” in each case.Here are some of the meanings:1) spiritual creatures not visible to human eye, such as angels, demons, God is also a spirit2) life…[Read more]

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