https://heavennet.net/members/DORA/activity/ Activity feed for DORA. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 84df6b7f87915584025d64ddb7c16157 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/14/#post-5232 Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:32:28 +1300 Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2005,23:15)Hi Dora, It appears that what you believe is not what scripture says:Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. “(heb 1:1) “God, who at sundry times & in…[Read more]

]]> eb07471fe6c19cc3901f7d2ddcb0e804 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/9/#post-41676 Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:55:14 +1300 if it is true that we could walk on water too then why hasnt anyone except Jesus…clearly Jesus was far superior to other humans…he was the anointed ONE, & heir of heaven & earth…he was flesh as we are & tempted in all points like we are but he never sinned…he was born without sin while all others are born sinners

]]> 3d7b92d089865359116da5e99d912262 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/14/#post-5230 Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:48:05 +1300 I believe the pre existance of Messiah, the anointed one, was his predestination…he did not exist as divine son until he was begotten in flesh…his birth was his beginning…(Ps 2:7) YVAH speaks of the son & decrees “this day” have I begotten youthe word decree means “an appointment of time or space”…it denotes predestination & not pre…[Read more]

]]> bcff493d7ec2cbb158905a4416731d2d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/14/#post-5209 Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:07:38 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2005,21:27)Hi Dora, You seem surprised that we do not  easily accept your understandings? Your assumptions and preconceptions are vastly different and tortuous.eg Son of Man means ruler-where does this come from?It is fine to share your understandings but not to teach them here.Here the truths from the Word of God are…[Read more]

]]> e64aa9d7d0e83050809bca0f4e098994 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/14/#post-5208 Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:58:42 +1300 fyi, the term son of man meaning ruler is found in the encyclopedia judaica…dont you use knowledge of biblical history in your study?

]]> 84c4c70fd7577a0145489e91663623c2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/18/#post-5207 Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:39:39 +1300 here is a nuget of interest (at least it was to me )the scripture where Jesus says “before Abraham was I am” is not used as it is taught to mean that Jesus is “the” I AMthe word before actually is used in the sense of being greater than & not as in a time…the correct rendering of that scripture would more accurately be translated, “I am greater…[Read more]

]]> fd652a23c37a15895d1349fb8a84747d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-jesus/page/18/#post-5206 Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:25:53 +1300 just a few comments & thoughts>>>was Jesus a pre existing thought or a pre existing deity that lowered himself into becoming a seed in the womb of a woman, which is the teaching of both trinity & oneness theology?Jesus was not a thought…he was purpose in the beginning…he was the purpose for the creation & formation of all things…the…[Read more]

]]> 32ae80bc49954e53013f3e856b4dbd5a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5194 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:23:14 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2005,08:24)Hi Dora, You do not have the right to change scripture. Scripture reveals that Satan tested the Son of God in the desert. To allegorise Satan is to change scripture. It is to take away from scripture. I am sure you know there are dire warnings for those who add or take away from the Word of God.Hebrews 1…[Read more]

]]> a57bf90a861f31045268bf6b7576707e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5193 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:54:08 +1300 where do you get that logos was 1st born? that isnt written anywhere in scripture is it? logos = divine intellegence (wisdom) expressed…it is God expressing Himself in word or breathing out of Himself, which is His Spirit that is holyin (prov 8:22) wisdom is speaking (logos)…”the Lord (YVAH) possessed me in the beginning of His ways, before…[Read more]

]]> 406048c62af12f9d1936eeb30a62867f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5192 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:20:40 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2005,18:09)Hi Dora, I like your concept of Yeshua as light in the beginning. He is the light of the world. But it does say the earth existed prior to light. The Earth is the round orb in the created universe but perhaps it looked more like the Moon or Mars?The other problem is the implication that Darkness existed…[Read more]

]]> 58e9411c51394b0c632beff2324e43d5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5191 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:00:19 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2005,18:09)Hi Dora, I like your concept of Yeshua as light in the beginning. He is the light of the world. But it does say the earth existed prior to light. The Earth is the round orb in the created universe but perhaps it looked more like the Moon or Mars?The other problem is the implication that Darkness existed…[Read more]

]]> 082906d8d48855c0820650db3fa30831 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5190 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:32:56 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2005,08:06)Hi Dora,Conception is nothing like begotten Dora.Begotten is derived directly from. Conception derives from two, not one.An image derives directly from the original. The Logos is the image of the Father. He is the only begotten Son of God. All other sons,including Adam, were created. No other being was…[Read more]

]]> 59df2b3de3abb46d42fa31d7c2167dfa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5184 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:05:46 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2005,05:05)Hi Dora, Born is not begotten. The Son of God was begotten in the beginning before time or the creation of all things, which were made through him.He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.So if other sons exist then he pre existed them.But firstborn implies status and preeminence in all things.He was sent into into the…[Read more]

]]> f820b236dc397ccec76629e0064ae5e7 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5183 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:49:16 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,02:12)Hi Dora,Are you saying the firstborn and only begotten Son of God did not have a separate nature and being from the Father in the beginning? The other sons of God did They shouted for joy when the foundations of the earth were laid by the Son of God as agent for the Father.as for the son of God, Jesus,…[Read more]

]]> 0b30e42bac1a41ded20199ae9e944942 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/13/#post-5182 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:19:44 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,21:25)Hi Dora, The book of Genesis tells us the Earth was created before light. Gen 1f” In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was formless and void and darkness was over the surface of the deep;and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.Then God said 'Let there…[Read more]

]]> f6bd5f5089d0238f4a913af621fcac80 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/12/#post-5180 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:59:52 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2005,20:22)Hi Dora, No man has seen God as many scriptures tell us. Ezekiel saw a vision of God , similar to the vision John saw in Rev 4.3.Both say” a figure with the appearance of a man”and the mention of a rainbow of His glory surrounding Him.i didnt say any man had seen God…in fact i made it clear in earlier…[Read more]

]]> f186d160e75c0af949aa500a38ee44b8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/logos/page/12/#post-5179 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:56:08 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,02:12)Hi Dora,Are you saying the firstborn and only begotten Son of God did not have a separate nature and being from the Father in the beginning? The other sons of God did They shouted for joy when the foundations of the earth were laid by the Son of God as agent for the Father.Nick, i'm saying that the son of…[Read more]

]]> 09dc98498377443cffee37e0ed84576d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/9/#post-41672 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:25:00 +1300 nick, got an email from you but dont know how to access…help, lol

]]> dc3569a59146c3fe1b14f84825d8e738 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/9/#post-41671 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:21:53 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2005,04:13)Hi Dora, Why would we need sexual function in the millenium and beyond when we have the heavenly body? We have bodies that do not wear out. Sexuality is of earth and of the flesh. It is for carnal pleasure.But Jesus showed it was not necessary even in a natural body so why the eternal? It is a instinct, I…[Read more]

]]> 4f791896cc36e5107509707e4673761f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/9/#post-41669 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:14:36 +1300 i have tried to use the bold & underline, etc, but they dont activate…what am i doing wrong?

]]> c1427bbae5b5e6630bbfc6506e88315f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/9/#post-41667 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:09:42 +1300 Quote (Human @ Jan. 10 2005,08:57)Nick,Here is what Rotherams translation says about Revelation 1:1:The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to point out unto his servants the things which must needs come to pass with speed,–and he shewed them by signs, sending through his messenger, unto his servant John;Even if your translation…[Read more]

]]> e37d36f371ce4496e8028649d7f50842 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41666 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:42:29 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,01:53)I understand Dora. The point I raised may be worth considering too. The new body is different. It is asexual.I wonder if husband and wife will be truly as one body as there is a sense of total unity between them in the Word that may find fuller expression then?These spiritual bodies will last 1000 years and…[Read more]

]]> 175e91e8ac33eec4472bcfbee72b45ae http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41660 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:24:32 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,04:04)Hi Dora, If you love God you will love the Son. If you love the Son you will love his teachings and build you doctrines on them You will not deny or allegorise his teachings. He spoke in allegories to the world but not his followers. He taught about the real person of Satan.i will ask you: does my salvation…[Read more]

]]> 1cf4ba2b457102d8b646a6642ae96838 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41659 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:13:19 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,04:04)Hi Dora, If you love God you will love the Son. If you love the Son you will love his teachings and build you doctrines on them You will not deny or allegorise his teachings. He spoke in allegories to the world but not his followers. He taught about the real person of Satan.my dear brother, peace in Jesus'…[Read more]

]]> 33d03fa89128faed305521f035c40df1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41658 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:09:35 +1300 i just reaized what you meant when you said you dont rely on reasoning…i will say this: none of us who love the truth believe we are influenced by our own reasonings, but when we accept any doctrine without devoting time to trying the spirits to see if they are God, we are susceptible to our own reasonings…it is just much easier than searching…[Read more]

]]> 1d5e362d954faaaf9872a383b413b870 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41656 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:57:10 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,03:40)Hi Dora, I do not rely on reason but on the revelation of the Word of God. I know you love the Word.It is to this Love that I appeal to you.ty, nickit is in love of the word & sincere love for you that i also respond

]]> 41c9b93c290f4453d58c89178b4c47cc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41654 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:22:11 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,03:04)Hi Dora, I think you misunderstand me.The Son of God was begotten in the beginning and had the greatest glory below the Father. He obeyed the wishes of his Father and humbled himself partaking of our natural flesh and God. Mary conceived him by the power of the Spirit. He was born of woman and made for a…[Read more]

]]> c823ce1145bf721537b224a4fcf4f9d4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/8/#post-41653 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:13:42 +1300 as for the anonymony of satan working to his advantage: how is that? if he is satan he wants to be glorified & thought of as a terror, & if he fits the reputation given to him, the fact that anyone would deny his reality would challenge him to prove himselfi think if he were actually the great terror & evil that is portrayed it wouldnt gratify…[Read more]

]]> b7b3847aff41bfef738eaa63eba81d5c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41651 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:01:56 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,02:48)Hi Dora, As t8 says I am sure Satan is quite happy to remain anonymous. He can be much more effective that way.To deny him is to contradict scripture Dora. Satan was given permission to hurt Job. Jesus was tempted by him. The book of Mark is full of the work of Jesus freeing those under his influence. Jesus…[Read more]

]]> 4109df0cb365b0c59a224ec120b64ac3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41650 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:48:10 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,01:53)I understand Dora. The point I raised may be worth considering too. The new body is different. It is asexual.I wonder if husband and wife will be truly as one body as there is a sense of total unity between them in the Word that may find fuller expression then?These spiritual bodies will last 1000 years and…[Read more]

]]> 4866099820e30d5a5cc795bfc08f1e0a http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41648 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:32:41 +1300 at this point i am inclinded to believe that satan, devil, evil spirits pertain to the adversarial nature of flesh that works in darkness & separation from God…surely you could say that men's accusations against one another, his hatred, murder, violence against others in the name of God is like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour…the…[Read more]

]]> 4da49b0007a5ccc37fac37abea1aebee http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41646 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:52:14 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,00:50)Hi Dora, We know Satan was among the sons of God in heavenDoes that mean he was one of them? I think so. The sons of God are also seen in gen 6 and Jb 38. I think they are the princes and the archangels and elders of revn.We see him also accusing Joshua in Zech 3 and he is know as the accuser of the brethren…[Read more]

]]> c1bfad0c308f53438bd37d2935be203c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41645 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:08:28 +1300 I believe you misunderstood what i meant by this statement: we change from being a child to becoming an adult body as well? the body isnt eliminated…it is changedyour answer was: We know the body is changed and the heavenly is put on over the natural-does that mean it replaces it? I am not sure. Don't know about children but since they can…[Read more]

]]> ca68532d35a6a7cf30f2011d42b2a559 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41643 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:30:53 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2005,00:23)Hi, The site author is t8. He has no denominational affiliation and I do not either. We belong to the body of Christ. God knows those who are his. yes, i know that God knows who are His…the word says for us to know them that labor among us & i just wondered because i like the site very much

]]> 38436f700478f2123a73532be7633f4c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41641 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:19:45 +1300 I am very interested in who the author of this site is…I see names associated with the site in the visions link, but there is no name given for the author of the site that I can find…may I ask who it is or who the denominational affiliation is?

]]> 4d54fcc57ef44c27fd151abc9bc47e2c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41640 Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:14:54 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2005,23:47)Hi Dora,Do you not believe in Satan, the roaring lion looking for someone to devour? What does it mean to you to accept salvation? Intellectual assent or baptism followed by receiving the Spirit as shown in the Word? thx for asking, nickwhat i believe about the identy of satan would be highly contriversial,…[Read more]

]]> d72344851a88125fffd7683c4d8347d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/7/#post-41638 Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:59:48 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2005,23:04)Hi Dora, My opinion would be Elijah would have to be given a heavenly body to put on over the earthly to enter heaven. Scripture does not say more.Jesus proved to Thomas and the disciples that he was still in his original injured body. He showed them the wounds and ate with them. A spirit does not have a…[Read more]

]]> 01f2845af55575872415278a25bb4749 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41636 Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:29:26 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2005,23:04)Hi Dora, My opinion would be Elijah would have to be given a heavenly body to put on over the earthly to enter heaven. Scripture does not say more.Jesus proved to Thomas and the disciples that he was still in his original injured body. He showed them the wounds and ate with them. A spirit does not have a…[Read more]

]]> 84940664cf2c164f645cda1f9d12129d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41635 Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:10:00 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2005,21:32)Ps When god breathed life into us that did not make us holy.The Father gives us that breath-it does not stay part of Him.The man from Heaven has now a spiritual body and so do we when we are resurrected-we shall bear his image and so can inherit the Kingdom of Godthx for the welcome, NickI want to comment on…[Read more]

]]> d1eaf1428fdd1a5b04b02a1c790ebdaa http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41633 Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:33:23 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2005,21:32)Ps When god breathed life into us that did not make us holy.The Father gives us that breath-it does not stay part of Him.The man from Heaven has now a spiritual body and so do we when we are resurrected-we shall bear his image and so can inherit the Kingdom of Godvery true & as you can see by what i wrote, i…[Read more]

]]> 5445909571d883462d11f56b75ed0aec http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41630 Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:03:35 +1300 babylon is linked with baal & babel, which is confusion, ie, the occult…it represents the highest betrayal against God's spirit which is holy (set apart & completely transcending, ie, the only deity)…it is rebellion & stubborness, which is deliberate resistance to divine authority for which there is no law…divine authority is absolute, thus…[Read more]

]]> 5276c6347202252529bd8a66399a69ab http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/babylon-and-the-beast/page/6/#post-41629 Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:37:29 +1300 to my understanding babylon is any occult influence (subtle or overt)…man's religions & indoctrinations are kin to cults bc thier influence is kin to brainwashing, which is fear & domination of the mindthe eden experience is symbolic as the book of revelation is symbolic (my opinion based on prayer & study) the serpent (also known as dragon)…[Read more]

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