https://heavennet.net/members/Cato/activity/ Activity feed for Cato. Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:58:49 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 f8b08b4678f6b95463eb85a9ad0ea2ef http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/john-hancock/#post-148735 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:55:03 +1300 Nick,I am at a loss as to why you brought up this topic.

]]> 8108bd3c32435af679afdae293f5c8cb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-putting-all-your-faith-in-god-alone-safe/#post-148014 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:35:56 +1300 So who is safe? Well if it is solely belief in Jesus as saviour, we can take away all non-Christians; Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jain, Taoist, Shinto, Athiest, and Pagans that alone takes away 2/3 to 3/4 of the world's populace right there alone.  Now if we add the born again part we can remove the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and many…[Read more]

]]> 803c777165c7346e5661a432effd78e8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-putting-all-your-faith-in-god-alone-safe/#post-147896 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:31:34 +1300 Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 29 2009,15:58)There are various belief systems here but the question is this, Can anyone be saved believing that the Father is The Only True God and can give salvation out of His grace to anyone HE pleases and I mean anyone?Since God is apparently omnipotent, he could do as he chooses, so the potential is obviously there.…[Read more]

]]> 4807872bd66dcf1ee0ec8d2533de3ec3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura-is-logically-untenable/page/24/#post-147894 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:17:27 +1300 There is not a lot of love for the Catholic Church here, or Islam or anything other then the particular brand of religion each favors.  In many cases we can all state examples of how this or that faith has fallen in the practices of their faith or in the details of that faith.  There are truths in many of these creeds yet we also see the flaws a…[Read more]

]]> 1203b61bbcc82163575da20fdbbd4645 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/no-one-believes-in-the-trinity-really/page/9/#post-158471 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:33:32 +1200 Dear Karmarie, If I may be so presumptuous to comment; perhaps your struggle is in a way a good thing, for spiritual transformation is a journey of discovery and truth is more then someone's book.  In this struggle you may learn things you may never have had just listening in a church of whatever creed.  After your struggles your faith may be m…[Read more]

]]> 2f9a7dd5434b44031fe718c25d73bcdd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/wolves-among-the-flock/page/7/#post-147320 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:26:04 +1200 Philosophers are those seeking truth, prophets are those who think they found it.”Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.”Andre Gide”If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.”Rene Descartes

]]> ff66a26da481a58d286f642b2b3a2cfd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura-is-logically-untenable/page/18/#post-147319 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:14:52 +1200 The whole idea of Sola Scriptura is nonsensical from any basis of logic or debate.  Truth is not confined to a particular set of writings.  Can people say without prejudice that God inspired only the ancient Jews of a particular time period?  There was no truth from other creeds?  God didn't inspire anyone from India or China?  There was no trut…[Read more]

]]> f6ffa638896c125d660720ed2726e8d9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/wolves-among-the-flock/page/7/#post-147231 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:20:04 +1200 Yes, but whose particular rock?  As evident on this web site there are lots of different views of scripture and that's is not even bringing up scripture of other faiths.  Perhaps if people used a little reason and thought along with prayer we wouldn't have so many people blindly following con men, egotists and fanatics.  When men think for th…[Read more]

]]> 402a63dd16b9bf978c1a910823134301 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sola-scriptura-is-logically-untenable/page/17/#post-147156 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:46:43 +1200 Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 23 2009,11:40)But the Sacred Scriptures are NOT the only authoritative rule for belief and practiceIt is not sufficient.  And I would submit that the wide variance of opinions held by sincere seekers is proof that it is insufficient.Why?  Because the Scriptures need to be interpreted.  And herein lies the pr…[Read more]

]]> eb22c96cf5d986dfdd01027cd7267076 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-best-of-believers/page/4/#post-146758 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:00:08 +1200 I really have no idea, I am certainly no Bible scholar and I find scripture a hard read for it is to me a disjointed collection.  I view the Bible, like panning for gold in a stream, there are really some golden nuggets of truth, but you do have to sift through a lot of sand too.  Some parts are inspired, but they after all, written, edited, c…[Read more]

]]> ac7bc2aa413ce1ffa02e62324f0e12e9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-god/page/26/#post-146757 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:20:53 +1200 Phil 2:6-8 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross! I see this verse saying Jesus had the n…[Read more]

]]> cc4e490fb125497e7ac40dcb86757efe http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-best-of-believers/page/3/#post-146510 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:31:07 +1200 Quote (karmarie @ Sep. 17 2009,10:47)Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ Sep. 17 2009,08:25)If you don't believe Jesus was Saved by God then that is up to you but I believe that Jesus was saved by God. why do you want to be saved but insist that Jesus couldn't have been saved?Yes EFJ, Jesus WAS SAVED as you say! Because God rose him from the grave!…[Read more]

]]> 12c42597e69ed50ee5380b2a43e903db http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satanism-exposed/page/17/#post-171586 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:09:14 +1200 Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Sep. 19 2009,00:23)we  can see in the scriptures that satan came in the form of a serpentActually if you are talking about the Genesis story with Eve, Satan is never mentioned.  Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really s…[Read more]

]]> 5b050d87213a413308e2034d188a41b1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satanism-exposed/page/17/#post-171585 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:59:35 +1200 So many live in a black and white world full of discrete choices and outcomes.  You believe or not, you are saved or not.  I have a book and people have told me all truth is contained therein and it came from God himself.  Well I believe in God, I feel him in my life and I am fairly content,  happy and hopeful about my future and that includes pos…[Read more]

]]> 65796a669a3c398f2dc80f1247a3644c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/azusa-street/page/8/#post-146494 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:38:34 +1200 While I might say the OT has truth in it, it in itself is not truth. To start it is not a unitary work, but a collection. Some parts are songs, poetry, parable and allegory wherein may lie wisdom and truths of a kind, but certainly not those of a literal nature. As for the historical parts we have no independent verifications; dates are missing…[Read more]

]]> d1eccad84c09c0c6dd7bf502d86c5feb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-god/page/25/#post-146492 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:08:02 +1200 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2009,07:02)Have you ever given thought to the language…”he had to be made like his brothers in every way”.Why the explanation if he was born like we were?Compare it with John 1:1, 14, Phil 2:6-8.Jesus was not just flesh and blood.WJYes I do give thought to language; from the same verse, “…in order that he…[Read more]

]]> d724a19b70c9915daa47364070b44fc8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/9/#post-146491 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:49:11 +1200 I would say that the nearest we will ever come to the word of God is the laws of physics and mathematics. Leibnitz, Newton, Guass, Euler, Archimedes are in many ways the great prophets of God and show us in pristine logic the majesty and will of the Creator.

]]> 9d2a25f298ae0e3493a40313e702634c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/9/#post-146483 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:59:35 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,23:43)Jesus is either the only way or not. He said that all who came before him, (who claimed to be the way/light/door) were robbers.Jesus was either wrong or right. If there are other Christ's then he is not the only way, and by reason of that, he is a liar which by the way rules out any possibility that he is even one of…[Read more]

]]> f4fbc2bd92fea62c47169d38c52b5ab5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/9/#post-146481 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:51:15 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,23:25)Resurrection of the dead and reincarnation are not part of the same elephant.At the surface, no they don't appear so. Neither do trinitarians and non-trinitarians in Christianity but does one detail invalidate the entire concept of one or the other brand of Christianity? I imagine most religions have within them…[Read more]

]]> ce59d35208790927e938e9048d9fe879 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/9/#post-146477 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:37:50 +1200 Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,16:57)Quote (Cato @ Sep. 18 2009,02:39)“A truly religious man should think that other religions also are paths leading to the truth. We should always maintain an attitude of respect towards other religions.” RamakrishnaTruth is absolute and like light it shines in the darkness. You cannot have 2 truths that contradict.…[Read more]

]]> 15257d04aede369af1e3119c0edc28b6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/9/#post-146473 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:18:27 +1200 Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2009,16:35)Cato wrote:Quote To say you are the way and the truth is not the same as saying that others are therefore false or wrongThat statement makes you sound ignorant of the true way because if you knew the true way then you would know what Jesus meant.  He meant the only way to become truly righteous as God is…[Read more]

]]> 2f258c20e9353842000f1640b7ac6636 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/azusa-street/page/7/#post-146470 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:56:42 +1200 I think if we separate ourselves from our Judeo-Christian upbringing, the story of creation, Samson, Lot, etc., as told in the OT would seem mythic to any stranger.  As taken by themselves without the backing of our traditions and religious acculturation the Old Testament would seem no more credible then the ENUMA ELISH, The Epic of Gilgmesh, The…[Read more]

]]> 34f856a2d50bd43be5c7da22c5848279 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satanism-exposed/page/16/#post-171579 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:40:05 +1200 While I agree that God makes sense I doubt that God, as presented in the OT of the Bible, fits the bill as therein he is overly anthropomorphic and exhibits character traits befiting pagan gods of old, ie. jealousy and regret then one would expect from such a trancendent, omnipotent being.  In other words I find that God is logical, but his…[Read more]

]]> 1614d50283c9ba3143624affd1989c27 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-god/page/25/#post-146380 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:19:10 +1200 One other thought I had to indicate that Jesus is not himself God is from Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God…One it says he was made.Two it says that he might become a faithful high priest in service to God.If Jesus was…[Read more]

]]> 64f3c60beaca7ba538674be84704c211 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/8/#post-146378 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:50:55 +1200 Jesus, according to most accounts, showed disrespect to those of his own religion who practiced what apparently was hypocrisy in his eyes and not religion.  Other religions are not mentioned, as many, including Christianity itself came later.  To say you are the way and the truth is not the same as saying that others are therefore false or w…[Read more]

]]> 432ea347912f34f5a4e394c7d4eb9854 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-is-this-jesus/page/8/#post-146350 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:39:05 +1200 “A truly religious man should think that other religions also are paths leading to the truth. We should always maintain an attitude of respect towards other religions.” Ramakrishna

]]> 5ce4ac039e895ed5c2fdccf0608bb5cb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-should-we-repent-to/#post-146348 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:13:00 +1200 “if” possible not “is” possible as I mistakenly posted. I need to get editing rights some day as I make too many typos. Alas my fingers fail to keep pace with my thoughts.

]]> 2b25ba2d7da1c2c49f2cc901aceb1fc9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/who-should-we-repent-to/#post-146347 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:07:08 +1200 Remorse or contrition for past conduct or sin hmm, it would be logical to show such or do penance first to the one(s) we wronged. If I wrong my neighbor to him then I owe my apology and restitution is possible.

]]> d77189858d262cc404102b5b4f45ebcd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-god/page/25/#post-146344 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:48:31 +1200 IMO, Jesus is not God, but God's honored spokesman, an example and teacher for humanity, the best and most advanced of us.  Jesus provides a real possible example of our own future where someday we can rise above the pettiness and sins of our temporal lives.God on the other hand is simply beyond human understanding, he is too great to grasp and…[Read more]

]]> f62b26c42dcb01bf56c6570da488afb2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-messenger-of-jehovah-was-jehovah/page/18/#post-146341 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:27:43 +1200 right hand the most important position next to someone: the place of honor at his host's right hand.  an efficient or indispensable assistantNoun 1. right-hand man – the most helpful assistant          chief assistant, man Fridayassistant, helper, help, supporter – a person who contributes to the fulfillment of a need or furtherance of an effor…[Read more]

]]> f5d1bdc367fe6f5153c4cee3218f42eb http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-said-you-must-love-all-muslims-and-not-judge/#post-172156 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:51:12 +1200 Unless all we think of Jesus is wrong, I am sure he would want us all to love our fellow man without qualification. We are all fellow travelers on the path of life and beyond; to spit on our brothers is but to spit on ourselves. God set up a world of cause and effect, when love goes out it returns as such when hate goes out hate returns. So…[Read more]

]]> 7891ad37dc327f4b2b66f2760d900b3f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/why-islam-calls-the-bible-corrupt/page/2/#post-158522 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:38:27 +1200 The Bengali Hindu sage Ramakrishna once said, “Be not like the frog in the well. The frog in the well knows nothing bigger and grander than its well. So are all bigots: they do not see anything better than their own creeds.”

]]> 5b01543c1025104ec0f9ea5df2cc4fd1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satanism-exposed/page/16/#post-171571 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:55:10 +1200 Quote (katjo @ Sep. 16 2009,01:02)You cant deny a book that can tell you what has happened in the world,(wrote before it even happened) what is going on now, and what is going to happen.I hope you realize that your “book” is a collection of works written by a variety of anonymous authors over long periods of times in different languages, compiled…[Read more]

]]> 85627fb5151b0d0ea0b57580f8b625d3 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-doctrine-is-ancient/page/4/#post-145664 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:27:13 +1200 While I have no problem with using incense or the like, as the sense of smell stimulates certain areas of the brain, and can create unconcious symbolic associations I doubt that Satan had this grand plan of anticipating Christian worship in the future so he spread seeds of similar, but false and misleading practices in the past.  There is nothing…[Read more]

]]> 8f63e18d97c5d7be26fac07ba704bc1f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-doctrine-is-ancient/page/4/#post-145618 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:44:05 +1200 Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 11 2009,15:22)Thanks for posting this.  I really do appreciate it.  Why do I say that?  Because this is really the best anyone can do to put this argument forward.  None of these pagan beliefs state what we confess about the Trinity.  But I do grant that Satan tries to be a copycat.  But I still think he does a ter…[Read more]

]]> 8dd9d3a99edad5bc1809bbb29fe54752 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/resurrection-of-the-dead/page/2/#post-145519 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:17:11 +1200 I don't see soul as spirit plus body. Though I suppose such terms are open to definition based on whatever system you are working with.  I view that we have a multi-layered existence, how many I sure don't know but I would guess a couple or so.  The physical body is only a vehicle for our being to interact on the physical plane, I doubt it is of a…[Read more]

]]> 8dd9d3a99edad5bc1809bbb29fe54752 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/resurrection-of-the-dead-5/page/2/#post-210780 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:17:11 +1200 I don't see soul as spirit plus body. Though I suppose such terms are open to definition based on whatever system you are working with.  I view that we have a multi-layered existence, how many I sure don't know but I would guess a couple or so.  The physical body is only a vehicle for our being to interact on the physical plane, I doubt it is of a…[Read more]

]]> 6d751f22fa8befb46671c37b01b85931 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/sacraments/page/2/#post-145494 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:57:52 +1200 Catholic rituals have much in common with any form of ceremonial magic, they work on the same principals. Psychologists would say their purpose is to stimulate the unconscious areas of our minds and elicit responses thereof. In this they can be very effective and results thereof be mistaken as outside forces at work when in all probability the…[Read more]

]]> e53e4c0a81b47c08711fe72c9d26e098 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-doctrine-is-ancient/page/3/#post-145493 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:47:55 +1200 Personally I think the problem is that most Christians, believe that the Bible is Holy Scripture and God's word, and so perfect.  When this scripture has holes or inconsistencies they must be filled or explained as they can't simply be wrong or inconsistent.  So when we have passages in the OT implying God as plural or hint at other divine b…[Read more]

]]> 4a52993abc97bd2945d8240c9f85f992 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/resurrection-of-the-dead/page/2/#post-145486 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:00:41 +1200 Quote (Gene @ Sep. 07 2009,16:20)eveh…….I believe we will be given new (BODIES) of Flesh and BONE (as Jesus Has). It will be an exact copy of our Human bodies, even to the number of hairs on our heads. We will look the same except it will be a body that will self regenerate for ever and cannot die.  And Spirit will be added into it and we…[Read more]

]]> 4a52993abc97bd2945d8240c9f85f992 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/resurrection-of-the-dead-5/page/2/#post-210778 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:00:41 +1200 Quote (Gene @ Sep. 07 2009,16:20)eveh…….I believe we will be given new (BODIES) of Flesh and BONE (as Jesus Has). It will be an exact copy of our Human bodies, even to the number of hairs on our heads. We will look the same except it will be a body that will self regenerate for ever and cannot die.  And Spirit will be added into it and we…[Read more]

]]> 88dec3e1011ebe15a19866fc1521336d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/satanism-exposed/page/14/#post-171546 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:46:58 +1200 Yet I would say no man knows God's word or can speak for him. We can guess, extrapolate from what we see in creation, but quote the Almighty, I don't think so.

]]> f481e479362c0f4f6dd85c54c5ca75ef http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/have-or-have-not/page/6/#post-144026 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:35:11 +1200 Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Sep. 02 2009,23:19)the bible is true and hid to those who believe notWell I have heard the same concerning the Koran and the Book of Mormon, perhaps they are hidden from you because you don't believe enough.  It is always a poor argument to say you need belief or special divine understanding (the Holy…[Read more]

]]> b50ccee29a10f8792c05885d5992f2fc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/elohim-is-plural/page/29/#post-143763 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:05:57 +1200 Perhaps the plurality of elohim is a relic of worship of the Canaanite El and his pantheon, Exodus 6:2-3 I revealed myself to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as EL Shaddai, but was not known to them by my name Yahweh.”

]]> 5416cad72df4fcc85c0607cf1105a791 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/islam-question-for-bodhitharta/#post-172192 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:34:19 +1200 It is not garbage, it is a point to show that Islamic scripture venerates, but does not deify Jesus.  It is an interesting point showing how Islam and Christianity share many theological views, which is only natural considering that the basis of both is the God of Abraham, both arose from the same area of the globe, and the holy scripture of both…[Read more]

]]> cc3ed3307eb15edddbfb57fadc9ca9a5 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/lutheran-church-to-ordain-practicing-gay-clergy/page/3/#post-142800 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:37:27 +1200 Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 28 2009,12:50)I have been reading most of the post made here.  I truly belief that a Homosexual relationship is not what God wants, and therefore I find it wrong.  The society has mostly accepted their practice, though.Which doesn't surprise me at all.  Whatever two married people do in their bedrooms however is excepted by Go…[Read more]

]]> 7e25be127f38ff6921de02c716b07da8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/lutheran-church-to-ordain-practicing-gay-clergy/page/2/#post-142611 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:02:24 +1200 Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 27 2009,01:19)Zs for your observations about all the good that has been done in a parallel time frame, that is truly a good thing, but the balance of good versus evil is not in my hands, it is in God's hands, and he has issued warnings after warnings, only to be dared and mocked.I guess when we have killed “enough” unborn, he…[Read more]

]]> cf5898f185408121cfeba5463a049a4e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/end-of-the-road/#post-142475 Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:56:09 +1200 Dear CA,We have our resident athiest, JWs, fundamentalists of all stripes, pro and anti-trinitarians, etc., I myself often bring up points that mainstream believers would call heresy.  Why not a resident Catholic?  As far as the Bible, we do talk about other sources as well.  One member used to bring up the book of Urantia, I have mentioned the I-…[Read more]

]]> 3c5f5887aa9633a5d08ccb7393d1877d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/lutheran-church-to-ordain-practicing-gay-clergy/page/2/#post-142382 Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:19:29 +1200 Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 26 2009,11:23)There was upon a time, a lofty and noble enterprise undertaken upon the shores of this nation. There has always been two natures at war with each other as the nation began to grow and prosper.From the beginning, our treatment of the natives has been atrocious, to the point of destroying almost any recognizable…[Read more]

]]> c97f251a258158b29075c75dc235324f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/denominations-82/page/7/#post-142238 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:47:32 +1200 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 25 2009,02:43)The writen scriptures are nothing but the dead letter of the word, and until the Spirit of God reveals the truths therein then you will only have chaos and confusion by carnal men with carnal minds trying to interpret them!The end will declare who is of the truth. IMO.The problem with this is that…[Read more]

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