https://heavennet.net/members/Artizan007/activity/ Activity feed for Artizan007. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:36:29 +1200 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 a00b26c053b620f8123fae8c6c17f6f2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-part2/page/133/#post-120886 Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:46:42 +1300 Questions for you Worshiping Jesus,I am not Trinitarian, just so you know when you answer these questions.What do you mean by Father? Do you mean, Person, relationship name, an idea or concept etc etc.What do you mean by Son? Same as aboveWhat do you mean by HS? DittoSo are these names related to indicate Persons, relationships, Names given by…[Read more]

]]> ee31745dd4e791e722edfd3c142fdd34 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/how-is-jesus-not-god/page/30/#post-92445 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:53:36 +1200 Hey GB, it is good to know both sides of the argument, and then like I have make a choice… I just love how the conclusions jump from one thing to another, then back again…

]]> 317c8abf97a2be598a01241abde5d105 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/how-is-jesus-not-god/page/30/#post-92444 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:51:55 +1200 I found this quote in Culpepper's book…The Father and I are one. The Greek numeral here is neuter, not masculine; Jesus and the Father are one entity, not one person (Culpepper 1998, 182).I love the way Trinitarians jump between the “Who” and “what” questions? Here they are one in “what”, not one in “who”.

]]> a0d73d670af5c46946b2ba54ad8b8511 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/how-is-jesus-not-god/page/30/#post-92440 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:22:38 +1200 I was given this by my lecturer – I found it interesting how conclusions are made in this statement.John's Prologue Uncovered…God the Word (1c), who was eternally with God (1b, 2), at his very side (18b), brought everything into existence (3, 10b), including the world (11a) and its people (9). He who is very God (1c) intended to come to that…[Read more]

]]> 31273c019fccfa6b2fcd7601d0d5d072 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/16/#post-91288 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:41:26 +1200 Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,15:54)Hi A7,Be careful though, some here do not look too kindly on “searching”.   Thanks Mandy, I am not too worried.

]]> fc6fd4367a3ed2b4bede762b79f4c662 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/15/#post-91272 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:50:54 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,15:03)Hi A7, I remember your freshness and enthusiastic searching for truth. Are you still like that?I hope so.Hey Nick,Thanks for you concern, I am here to learn and I do everytime I come to this site.Even more so now, but a lot less willing to accept just anything, and i dont want to settle for trite answers, so…[Read more]

]]> 7aa475eb749f124eaeed15da367d7b38 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/15/#post-91271 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:44:38 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,20:15)Ps2Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Tell me, how is this talking about Jesus… David the writer of the psalm says, I will proclaim the Lord's decree: He said to ME, “you are my son; today I have begotten you. This is of David – he is not saying I will proclaim the Lord's decree: HE said to me…[Read more]

]]> 2ec06f2d307fe53c2b9eeb1a9a8debd9 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/15/#post-91253 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:40:48 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,13:41)Hi A7,Have you been overcome by the worldly religious ideas of men having been so promising?Please explain your statement.

]]> 85c9191aa11e09c96ed6e5826b01ba7d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/15/#post-91252 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:39:28 +1200 I understand what you are saying Nick, I don't pretend understand all things because God does not make things very clear at times, using metaphorical language, or mystery saying, parables that relate to another culture and can be taken litteraly, metaphorically, allegorically or spiritually etc etc, and evidently His Spirit works in and reveals…[Read more]

]]> f61b531905de4d2aadee891957d0b273 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/15/#post-91226 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:59:43 +1200 Hi Nick,You say Jesus was through Mary – you mean “of” or “through”? Anyhow, the scripture you quote has nothing to do with the topic. It is talking of salvation and receiving the promises, not of begetting.So for you Nick Jesus was a pre-existent being? A demi-God then; sounds like the idea of the “Demurge” – the idea that kindled the flame for…[Read more]

]]> 06af923ff667d8091c8880b942a1d637 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/15/#post-91218 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:33:19 +1200 Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,01:42)Artizan…you misinterpret…Jesus being begotten means….THAT HE WAS THE ONLY SON OF GOD CREATED DIRECTLY BY GOD's HANDS…Yes god had other sons..but not begotten sons…All of Abrahams sons were begotten by him…THERE IS THE DIFFERENCEHi dirtyknections,I think you presume to much in making this…[Read more]

]]> 253997d9059ee8619beb88b2ce976ad1 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/conception/page/66/#post-91086 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:11:44 +1200 Hi Adam,Thanks for that scripture passage, however, I think you firstly need to decide who is doing the talking in Isaiah 53 and who the talking is being done about… Start in Isaiah 52 and read through to 54… Isaiah 53 is not a stand alone chapter, it begins in 52…Who does the term Our message refer to?Who does the “he” and the “us” and…[Read more]

]]> 72aec6c482c332b6df302731de22082f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/conception/page/65/#post-91044 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:15:14 +1200 Can you please quote from the Old Testament that Jesus was to be the propitiatory/ransom for the sin of the “world”?

]]> 37b180729300bf54d8edd9a8a115e2f4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/conception/page/65/#post-91043 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:11:51 +1200 Paul is writing a letter to encourage Timothy, it is not scripture – it only became scripture much later. The scripture Paul was talking about here was the Old Testament. or do you think Paul considered this personal letter to Timothy as scripture?

]]> 97eb90d1fcdea5431a3360a215b44683 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/conception/page/65/#post-91038 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:53:56 +1200 “The first prophecy in the bible found at Genesis 3:15 Pre-date any of the Pagan stories you quote”… Maybe of the ones I quoted, but you are mistaken if you think that this story was written down first – the first stories of expected “Messiah” figures, and of Dying and Rising God's can be found in Egyptian texts long before the Genesis account…[Read more]

]]> a21b36eaaf7d8981af2132bda92359d0 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/14/#post-91034 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:35:24 +1200 Nick, “Monogenes” God's unique son, which you say is his Pre-existent son/being is called so because like Isaac, Abraham's unique “monogenes” son, he was a son of promise. Promised long before Abraham received the promise of his unique son, Isaac. He was not Abraham's “only son” for he had others, and so does God. The angels are sons of God are…[Read more]

]]> c746939b09a18ae852f8aec25adfa58c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/monogenes/page/14/#post-91032 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:20:46 +1200 Can anyone tell me why Jesus so called father Joseph has two fathers: In Matthew Joseph's father and Jesus' so called Grandfather is called Jacob, and in Luke he is called Heli?

]]> 8a7f4983f7bf133263448b9aa943d242 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/conception/page/65/#post-91024 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:50:55 +1200 I always wonder why the first Gospel has no mention of this virgin birth. Why does James, Jude, Peter or Paul never mention a virgin birth… he speaks of his birth, but not in any miraculous sense. Although Paul does use the word “chaste virgin” in connection to the Church, he never mentions Mary as being a virgin, or Jesus being Virgin born in…[Read more]

]]> 6842febd72e10e0d8878a7ea03d43039 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/explanation-of-verses-calling-jesus-as-god/page/3/#post-89620 Sat, 24 May 2008 07:10:27 +1200 Hi, The One,I see you used Revelation 19:13 to depict the Word of God.I am interested to hear what you think is the hidden name referred to in this verse. Faithful and True, Word of God, or King of Kings and Lord of Lords or some other name… so many names so many metaphors… why could God not have revealed something a little more simple to…[Read more]

]]> db5c8da888f4710e8f39a4186deafb4d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/a-rabbis-take-on-paul/#post-88718 Sat, 03 May 2008 21:32:40 +1200 Hey Nick,Acts is more reliable? – Sure? It is written by a man we know absolutely nothing about… what was he like, did he live a Godly life, if he did, how do we know – there is no mention of him by Peter James or John, and we have no character reference to him other than he was supposedly a Pauline protégée: What of his life, his conversion, a…[Read more]

]]> b5d2e70e27c528a6533e55f80440313c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/eternally-generated/page/2/#post-62064 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:10:21 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 03 2006,18:56)Why bother with the ideas of men and see what God has told us about Himself and stick with that?are we all not guilty of this nick? trinitarian, unitarian, jw, christadelphian, mormon and many more variations who claim to be followers of christ – I have seen this practice one this site – using scripture to…[Read more]

]]> 8849b2da542a2df31e4ac70717c242db http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nimrods-trinity/page/4/#post-61840 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:32:17 +1200 Hi Kejonn, sure Jesus was not given to Molech, but the principle of human sacrifice is the same is it not. I dont care who the sacrifice goes to, you can't condemn something on the one hand then condone it on the other and still be considered fair and just.If I told you not to speed and you speed – you are wrong in my eyes… whether you are on a…[Read more]

]]> ffd04fc3c771922f565cfd2e3c9b4799 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/nimrods-trinity/page/4/#post-61776 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:16:30 +1200 Quote (Laurel @ July 10 2007,17:08)The article you posted is well known to people in the east. Even the Jewish calendar has the fourth month named Tammuz, maybe it was a memorial to Tammuz or maybe YHWH Himself put it there so the Jews wouldn't forget that they also worshipped the Sun. It is a child sacrificial religion.Well is Christianity not…[Read more]

]]> 56538de8e48ab47ac08221cd734a0baf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/page/2/#post-61753 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:45:21 +1200 Which 300 prophecies? – give me 10 to start.

]]> 60b353cf37b40bbc825e53711ac0b7e2 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-we-born-with-sin/page/21/#post-61737 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:34:43 +1200 Gosh Michael's, that is just a ludicrous statement…are you just presuming to know all things not written – just because Jesus was in the temple aged twelve discussing with the leaders and not with his father or mother on the way back home to Nazereth, does not mean you can know or say that at one years of age he knew God or loved God more than…[Read more]

]]> cbd3e00d1250f3ba7e1efd211de8686d http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/page/2/#post-61736 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:17:40 +1200 Tell me – in light of scriptures, do you think it reasonable to say that the Jews had every right to act in the way that they did…Christian's say they were hard of heart… and the writers of the NT say so too, but God prophesied through the prophets how The Messiah would come and in what manner he would rule and the condition of the world at…[Read more]

]]> ac1c6b55f7a4426f08eaadb63f31ed04 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/page/2/#post-61733 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:25:52 +1200 The claim in the NT that Jesus will fulfill the Messianic prophesies when he returns does not give Jesus any credibility for his “first” coming for nowhere in the OT does it speak of a second coming. The OT never speaks about the Messiah returning after an initial appearance. The “second coming” theory is a seeming desperate attempt to explain…[Read more]

]]> 691723d840e5bb2a08307dc6dc6c405c http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/page/2/#post-61727 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:08:01 +1200 Does the Jewish Bible – by that I mean the OT, of which this post is about – show that humanity has to believe in the Messiah. I can't find any – because his reign will be an historically verifiable reality, self-evident to any person, it won’t require belief or faith because it will be before their eyes.

]]> f1e31cb37ab3ee9c577cf9f4f3717bbf http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/page/2/#post-61725 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:02:11 +1200 Was Jesus ever anointed with OIL by a prophet or priest (ie, Samuel and Saul/David)? A Messiah would be anointed with oil by a prophet/priest. If Jesus is the one to fulfill all scripture as God's anointed surely he must have to have been anointed by a priest or prophet.

]]> 974209a1c353ed15123d8de132b62735 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/page/2/#post-61719 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:43:56 +1200 Is the Hebrew word “HaMashiach” actually in the old testament… all i can see is that it is alluded to by reading into the text, but never spoken of as THE Messiah, only “a” messiah?

]]> d748f6d86a5a1e6eb4afa44419d10db4 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-in-the-old-testament/#post-61624 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:02:56 +1200 Hi Is 1:18Quote: In the passage from 1 Tim 6Jesus himself said “No one has ever seen God (the Father) but Jesus has made him known… is that not enough or do you need to go outside the Biblical text to clarify what is spoken of Jesus “the Christ” by John – if it was actually John that wrote this book… many people saw “the Christ”, God's…[Read more]

]]> 026c99ff85ffecd084d29a1fe2ba4771 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-lamb-of-god/page/3/#post-52264 Tue, 15 May 2007 22:59:48 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2007,10:29)Hi A7, Try Heb4 aligned with Ps 90Hi Nick,I have read those versed, but don't know how this explains the 1000 year reign… Where did John get the idea of a thousand year reign. Where does it come from? We need two or three witnesses. Does any of the other prophets or disciples teach this doctrine.John must…[Read more]

]]> b85e009a0f574db4f30b418f6a17befd http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-lamb-of-god/page/3/#post-52170 Mon, 14 May 2007 22:24:54 +1200 Hey WhatisTrue,Thanks for your reply. Just wanting to know how the Feast of Tabernacles equates to the 1000 year reign of Christ?I do not see the idea of 1000 year reign mentioned anywhere but in Revelation 20. How does one build a biblical doctrine out of one passage, by one author. I cannot see this thought anywhere else in the Scriptures? But…[Read more]

]]> 89bdb244a99e5f20807a843f10513c1b http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-lamb-of-god/page/2/#post-52142 Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:16 +1200 Hi guys,A question that has been puzzling me is lately is this: If Jesus is the Lamb of God who died for the sins of the world, if he was the one sent to fulfill all righteousness and the scriptures written of him; then why did Jesus die during Passover and not on the Day of Atonement?The passover lamb was not a sin offering, guilt offering, peace…[Read more]

]]> 6f683df8600d5520ea6daf79e04dbe34 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atonement-for-sins/page/2/#post-30056 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:35:56 +1300 Hi Nick,How is that teaching original sin? To be tempted does not mean we are born sinful, but we sin because we choose to sin. It is not teaching original sin Nick. That is a big stretch.

]]> 8d668103d2aa2d45c70f8960a5e8c805 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atonement-for-sins/page/2/#post-30055 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:30:56 +1300 Hey Cubes,How do you explain the death of Jesus when he was born without sin?

]]> 9e1349e380b66a42821c3a490685d667 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-all-inclusive-one/page/6/#post-30011 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:18:48 +1300 Psalms 19:8 The law of the LORD , reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; Hebrews 7:1818 On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 ; on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.Gal 3:1313 Christ redeemed us from the ,…[Read more]

]]> 02abe564f6276d0027ea62dade09e5d6 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/wolves-among-the-flock/#post-30010 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:12:49 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 03 2006,02:20)So they are deceitfulThey serve themselves and oppose the Master.They enter the flock by stealth to divide it and destroy the sheep of Jesus.They have never been a sheep but know how to pretend.Their only work is for themselves.They see sheep only as tools to be used for their purposes.They are vicious and…[Read more]

]]> 086e470308453d6cd64ed81a8b73b176 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-all-inclusive-one/page/6/#post-30008 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 05:59:01 +1300 Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Oct. 03 2006,01:35)As for God being able to speak to mankind, there is only one way man can speak to God and that is through is Son. It is for this reason, the Father begat the Son, in the beginning, even before the heavens and the earth, the Father, begat his Son, the Word, the quickening Spirit.So God begat the…[Read more]

]]> 230a4ca8b4d5dcbb1736a27bc6a4f4d8 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-all-inclusive-one/page/5/#post-30007 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 05:33:01 +1300 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 17 2006,19:44)“He was borrowing this statement, it did not origin from him via the Holy Spirit.”Is anything written by Paul without the unction of the Spirit?Every word is tested and pure and we should not fall into the trap of theology that we are greater than those words but need to submit to them in fear of the Awesome…[Read more]

]]> 459ce43c6885c3f7bcf9c6fe9374f603 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atonement-for-sins/#post-30006 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:52:30 +1300 Talking of Redemption – can anyone tell me why I am “born” a sinner because of an act of one man and his wife more than 6000 years ago… does all this pain and suffering we have to go through as humanity or even have to watch and can do nothing about, does it justify the punishment of one man's actions, for the rest of humanity to suffer for them…[Read more]

]]> ee9b278a6bcd3f83141f8fa717ab3eea http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atonement-for-sins/#post-29957 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:08:15 +1300 Quote (Mercy @ Oct. 02 2006,11:02)Jesus is that mediator between God and man. The perfect sacrifice who is without sin and who reflects the image and radiance of his Father. The very same Father and God who cannot be in the presence of sin.God cannot take the sins of the world on himself. It doesn't make any sense.Hi, I agree with your last…[Read more]

]]> 954addc2b5a4b4439ed143306edf6e16 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/atonement-for-sins/#post-29954 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:21:50 +1300 Would the crucifixion (and subsequent resurrection) of someone who was not fully-God be enough to pay for the sins of the whole world?YES. I cannot see how GOD who is immortal can die, if it was only the human part of God that died, then it is all a sham because what good does a pretend death do for us, for if Christ never died as God but only as…[Read more]

]]> 1272a12e997517d6a41eac4b9125615f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/seventh-day-adventists/#post-29039 Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:20:18 +1200 Can I ask what Paul is going on about in Romans 2 – He sounds like a confused man. He changes his mind to suit himself. First he says, we are saved through grace by faith alone, apart from works, or obeying the law, then he says this in Nicks last post… which is it. it is either or, not both…My question – where does Jesus abrogate the law? He…[Read more]

]]> 44fdc7e5d371ef6e0e9fe0230a36448e http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/25/#post-26213 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:14:54 +1200 Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 26 2006,20:34)Hi, Trintarians say that God is one being with three persons in that being. Yet they say that each person is an equal deity. A deity is a god that is worshiped. How can a deity not be a being?Something is amiss here methinks.Agreed Nick,I find the whole “three person's in one what” idea rather confusing and…[Read more]

]]> 734f203c1bdb70e0322bc7be8fe535dc http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/co-equal/page/25/#post-26212 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:58:24 +1200 Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 05 2006,11:23)For what reason was/is Yahshua called the Son of God?LUKE 1:35 (NASB)The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.That's a rock-solid biblical answer.I agree with you…[Read more]

]]> 79fca0e5824bb58f6c123f2aa12e541f http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-desert-temptation-natural-or-spiritual/#post-25544 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:53:46 +1200 Hey Nickyou said:Hi A7,The Spirit is a gift from God and never left Jesus nor leaves us for eternity.I agree that is why I asked how WS-52 could say the spirit of God was not with him and that Jesus was tempted of flesh only.WS-52 said:Jesus is able to fall when jesus is tempted, the spirit of God was not with him and the flesh alone is the only…[Read more]

]]> 2309d8f6d88a6aaf18b8ff8b76369e30 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-desert-temptation-natural-or-spiritual/#post-25543 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:44:19 +1200 Hey Nick,Thanks for your reply. A friend of mine told me he had a heightened awareness of spiritual things as well as natural when he was on his 21 day water and juice only fast. I am not too sure I sit well with knowing that Jesus could not tell if it was in the spirit or the natural. I am sure Jesus would have been compus mentus (however it is…[Read more]

]]> eb52bd92ac0dab395baebd2d72f68611 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/jesus-desert-temptation-natural-or-spiritual/#post-25540 Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:27:15 +1200 WS-52, thanks for your reply, I can see that Jesus was led by the Spirit to be tempted of the Devil. It was planned, the accuser did his best to destroy Jesus, the Son of God, but failed dismally.Not too sure I agree that Satan did not want to tempt Jesus as I believe he wants to thwart anything Godly or that is part of God's plan. To say that he…[Read more]

]]> 497bef51242684d25d9fd1c729d68d03 http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-doctrine-development/page/7/#post-18525 Fri, 26 May 2006 12:58:35 +1200 I am doing some study on the early church and the differences that Christianity had with the Jews. In their arguements I find that there is no mention of a Trinity at all. Maybe this was because there was no TRINITY at this point. Can anyone tell me if the Jews and early Christian (Jews)* in Jerusalem who worshipped in the synagogues, read the…[Read more]

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