Is Islam mentioned in the Bible?

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  • #782971
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    Camillia.

     

    I agree with your view.

    The image in Daniel has no gaps in it.

    After the two legs  there was the two feet with no gap in between.

    It is continues. The 7th empire must be here to morph into the 8th empire,which is the last kingdom of man on earth.

    The 8th will rule only for 3/half years, the shortest empire ever(the 10 toes). Then the second coming.

    Plus; the 7th and the 8th had 10 horns.

    Can not put the faulty puzzle in by force.

    Cheers.

    wakeup.

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    t8.

     

    When you see signs that correspond with signs given in scripture, that you take in seriously.

    If not, you can not use that as solid  evidence. You only will be let astray.

    Can you answer my 8 questions please?

    wakeup.

    #782974
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    For reasons of limited time, there is a non-enforced rule that we are expected to answer one question at a time. However, if the questions are easy to answer, I may answer them all. I take it they are in this topic so will take a look.

    #782975
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    If the seventh empire is the Ottoman Empire, then that is the feet. And then the beast died and the eight will rise up which is of the seventh, not the sixth, fifth, fourth, etc. The 10 toes could be the eighth. We are clearly told that the Beast will suffer  a deadly wound, but will rise up in the last times. So if the feet is the Islamic Empire, then perhaps there will be another one. Do not underestimate what has been happening in that part of the world for the last three years.

    Arab means “mix” and the feet are a mix of iron and clay. Perhaps that is reference to a mix of Rome and elsewhere. The capital of the Roman Empire during the Byzantine period was Constantinople which was renamed Istanbul. Constantinople was named after Constantine a Roman Emperor.

    Wikipedia
    In Biblical etymology, “Arab” (in Hebrew Arvi {{he:ערבי}}) comes both from the desert origin of the Bedouins it originally described (Arava means wilderness) and/or from the concept of mixed people.

    Bible
    And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.(Daniel 2:41-43)

    #782977
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    1.Do you truly believe that the 7th beast is isis? (Explain the 10 horns)?(or any horn of isis today)?
    2 Do you truly believe that isis will morph into the new revived ottoman? (with 10 horns)?
    3.Do you truly believe that the world can not make war with the(beast), revived ottoman?.
    4.Do you truly believe that the micro chip technology is specifically created for the muslems.
    5.Do you truly believe that mecca only will be destroyed at the second coming.
    6 Do you truly believe that the grapes put through the wine press would be only muslems.
    7.Will the valley of Hinnom consist of only dead muslem soldiers?
    8.What is your opinion regarding the British, Americans, Europeans, French, Russians. Chinese, Japanese?
    Will they be subdued by the coming revived ottoman empire?

    1) No. It may be an Islamic Empire. ISIS may help to create a Caliphate, but it could turn out that Iran, Turkey, etc invade ISIS gained territory ending in a Middle East empire similar to the Ottoman Empire. Remember, I still believe this is a contender and refuse to subscribe to it wholeheartedly right now.

    2) Could be that 10 nations in the Middle East give their power over to the little horn that could arise from Turkey.

    3) The people of the Middle East who are central to Bible Prophecy will not be able to make war with this Islamic Beast. They could be completely dominated and will not be able to make war against him. Remember that all of the previous six empires did not cover the whole Earth. They ruled the world, but not Japan, China, New Zealand, Indonesia, South America, Madagascar etc,

    4) Micro-chip technology may or may not be the mark. It could be that a more visible mark is required in the Middle East to determine whether you are a son of Allah or not. The mark would be some kind of symbol that others recognise as being an adherent of this religion. At the moment, ISIS have to ask what your religious affiliations are. If they are not in line with them, you are killed. If you are a Christian, then expect to have your head cut off. The bible doesn’t say computer chip or barcode. It does say a mark that you need to buy and sell. There are many possible ways this could eventuate. If a computer chip becomes compulsory or a barcode invisibly tattoed in the head or hand, then certainly I will not take it for reasons of taking the Mark of the Beast. If it is an Islamic symbol that shows alleigence and freedom to participate in trade etc, then I will not take that either.

    5) If Mecca is the city, then the Beast will destroy her. But I could equally imagine Islam destroying Rome or New York too. I have a wait and see approach here. But am aware of what could happen. I will not say for sure this or that will happen.

    6) Islam is a world-wide religion with 1.6 billion adherents. They believe that God has no son. That is 1.6 billion people that are under the antichrist spirit. It could turn out that Muslims make war not only from the Middle East, but with all nations in the form of terrorism from within. Lot’s of possible ways this could play out.

    7) The valley of Hinnom could consist of dead muslim soldiers? Adherents to Islam number around 1.6 billion today. They could be aided by Russia and others too. Russia and Iran for example have a military alliance of sorts.

    8) These could be the most terrible and ruthless of nations. The West is in military terms may have their hands full dealing with a Middle East super power who owns all oil in the region. Islamic terrorism could spread to all the nations, and no one will be safe. Who knows this type of war could weaken all the nations. Depends on a lot of things.

    “Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of [them that are] slain in the midst of the seas.” (Ezekiel 28:7-8)

    “They” could be these powerful nations and the term “terrible” implies to being “terrible in battle. God could rise up several nations who will carry out His judgment and attack the Antichrist.

    #782980
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    Thank you t8.

    wakeup.

    #782994
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    G 20 MEMBERS.

    OF GLOBAL TRADE.

    The members of the G20 are Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union.

    And t8 says that Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey. Will stamp with their feet the other nations.
    And become a new world empire.

    wakeup.

    Wakeup, there has never been an empire that covered the whole Earth. The beast has a geographic position that does not include any of these nations. Think of Israel and the surrounding land mass. Don’t think of North-east Asia, South-east Asia, or the Americas, even the Pacific.

    You obviously believe that not even Rome the iron beast will be as great as the feet with 10 toes. Yet we are told that the very last the eighth will come from the seventh and will reign for a very short time.

    I would not put too much trust on the last empire that exists for a short period as being greater than Rome or the other empires. Daniels vision of the empires started with greater metal and degraded down to part iron and clay. So the Beast is not becoming greater.

    And remember that many nations existed while the Roman Empire was ruling and Rome had no power, jurisdiction, or even knowledge of their existence.

    #782995
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    The 7th empire must be here to morph into the 8th empire,which is the last kingdom of man on earth.

    The 8th will rule only for 3/half years, the shortest empire ever(the 10 toes). Then the second coming.

    Ahem. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.

    Fatal means causing death. So there has to be an interruption to one of the heads whether you like it or not.

    So tell me exactly which head had the wound and came or will come back to life if it is not the Ottoman Empire?

    A new Roman Empire? Egypt? Iran? Greece? Babylon in Iraq?

    Ottoman Empire looks much more likely to me. Especially with the signs happening today and the rise of the Islamic Caliphate. Not to mention that the Quran and prophecies in the Hadith are spurring them on. So it is no secret what they are trying to achieve.

    #782997
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    t8.

    The one that is wounded has to be the one before the last empire(8th), which is the british empire wounded after the 2nd ww.
    They had to withdraw them selves from many countries. Hongkong was the last one so far.
    An empire does not have to settle in all countries physically. But his power does.It is called a world empire.
    A super power. Today we have two great super powers, and one of them is not turkey by far.
    The Ottoman did have a religion which is islam, and a god which is allah.
    The last beast will have no religion and no god. He only worships power and riches.
    T8, The british empire did not die, but only wounded. So there was no gap. The ottoman did die, and is still dead.
    We have an empire today, a continuation of the old Roman empire. Our language is roman and greek, and some other mixed.
    There was only one world empire that has no religion and no god, and that was the kingdom of Nimrod.(babel).
    ( the beast that was, and is not, and yet is).
    He was the god of his empire. So will be the 8th empire; the false prophet will be worshipped as god,
    sitting in the temple of God, saying that he is god.

    The feet and the 10 toes are a mixed people, as we can see today all nations are a mixed people.
    Do you really believe possible, that all the other super powers will be subject to these rebels, and let them take over
    their nations? Think logic. They have all the war machines and the technology, muslems do not have.
    Do you really believe that china and Russia will become a muslem nation?

    Scripture says that the Medes will come from the east, and cross the Euphrates to make war.
    To make war with the king of the north, and the king of the north will come down south into Israel, and Egypt.
    This will be the king of the north against the king of the east and his dominion.
    This will be the 3rd ww. (isis = sunni. and iran = shi’at they don’t mix, they will not become one empire).

    Btw: concerning the metals. Starting with gold, down to iron with clay.
    This means, that they had a good life without the propblems we have today. Like financial problems, and all sort; But we are stronger in power and technology.(the iron). (the gold is softer than iron but more precious).

    wakeup.

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    when constantinople fell ,it seems that the roman empire got his head cut off, but later rome came back up ;could this be what it means happen to the 6 th head ?

    #783005
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    Terra.

     

    Scripture says WOUNDED not killed.

    And his deadly wound was healed.

     

    wakeup.

    #783006
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    correction;

    when constantinople fell ,it seems that the roman empire got his head cut like a deadly injury , but later rome came back up ;could this be what it means happen to the 6 th head ?

    #783019
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    Terra.

     

    When president Kennedy was killed his kingdom did not end there.

     

    wakeup.

    #783021
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    The one that is wounded has to be the one before the last empire(8th), which is the british empire wounded after the 2nd ww.
    They had to withdraw them selves from many countries.

    You can say the same for the Ottoman Empire except that empire succeeded Rome whereas the British Empire did not. Further, the Ottoman Empire was more like the others as they enslaved and persecuted Jews whereas the British Empire did not. You also need to consider that one of the heads suffers a deadly wound leading to the Beast dying and then its wound is healed. How can it be the British Empire because there was a space between Rome and the British Empire meaning that Rome has to be the head that is wounded and then Rome must be the one that is healed too. That view makes no sense in your eschatology.

    Rather the British Empire rose to prominence while the Beast was wounded.

    As I have said before, the Ottoman Empire is the ONLY empire that succeeded Rome. That is a huge sign right there.

     

    #783023
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    when constantinople fell ,it seems that the roman empire got his head cut like a deadly injury , but later rome came back up ;could this be what it means happen to the 6 th head ?

    That is possible too.

    However, with the other heads, they were succeeded by the next. And the next was the Ottoman. To me that is a big sign and one that has been sitting under the nose of everyone for hundreds of years with little notice.

    But yes, Rome has risen again so that is possible.

    #783027
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    t8

    history tell us that the ottoman empire grew while the Roman was held on a string by the franks and the pope stayed in avignon ,

    this lasted if i remember for three centuries or so ,and it was also the Franks that stopped the ottoman empire road for conquering europe , and that was the beginning of the decline of the ottoman empire ;and the rebuilding of the roman catholic empire in europe at the least ,

    i also read long ago that the ottoman empire was run by armenians(for they could not trust they own men) in the Daniel manner ; but at one point one of the caliph killed them and that is when the empire fell down from corruption

    #783028
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    wup

    Terra.

    When president Kennedy was killed his kingdom did not end there.

    wakeup.

    presidents on today marked are pure puppets and can be removed without anyone see what as been lost ,

    in the early centuries it was the leader in the manner of David that was the holding all things together in the kingdom or the empire

    history will confirm my sayings

    #783029
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    t8

    also what we have to take in account is that the sixth head his the sixth world power and that the image of it ,and scriptures do not say that it comes or will come a world power image ;just as it is today they seem to be like an image even today ,

    for they are not a world power only a image and under the image what do we see ?division/unreliability/undecided/riche/and unspiritual/living in intense flesh desire./

    this is not the qualities of a world power at all /only the power of the animals, bruts,no common sense at all/liars and what not ?

    #783032
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    Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great IRON teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
    HE STAMPED THE RESIDUE WITH HIS FEET AND IT HAD 10 HORNS. ON THE ONE HEAD. THE WOUNDED HEAD IN REV.13.

    Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (EYES = SPIRITUAL).

    Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
    ANCIENT OF DAYS SITTING IN HIS THRONE IN HIS KINGDOM.

    Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
    THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.

    Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
    THE LAST BEAST(8TH) CAST INTO THE FIRE. REV.19.

    Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken

    The 3rd beast was Greece.
    Verse 7) Is the 4th beast .
    Verse 8) Is the 4th with 10 horns.
    Verse 9) Is the still the 4th beast, and Daniel saw until the 4th beast and thrones cast down.
    Vese 10) The coming and second judgement.
    Verse 11) The 4th beast with the 10 horns CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. Revelation 19.
    Verse 12. The rest of the beast are spared.
    Note no 500 year gap.

    Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
    10 KINGS IN AGREEMENT.

    Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

    WOE, WOE, WOE TO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH. NOT JUST CERTAIN PEOPLE OF THE EARTH.

    Revelation 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

    THIS EARTH GUAKE IS THE WHOLE EARTH SHAKING,NOT JUST PARTS OF THE EARTH.

    Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ONTERPRETED AS JUST CITIES OF SOME NATIONS.

    Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
    THE ISLAND FLED AWAY,BECAUSE OF THE SHAKING OF THE EARTH. NOT JUST SOME PARTS OF THE EARTH.

    Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
    HAIL UP ON MEN,NOT JUST THE MIDDLE EAST BUT UPON ALL MEN.(HAIL OF 45KG IN WEIGHT).

    Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
    10 KINGS WITH THE ONE MIND WILL MAKE WAR WITH THE LAMB. = THE TEN HORNS OF DAN.7 = THE 10 HORNS OF REV 13.= THE 10 TOES OF THE IMAGE.

    THE PUZZLE OF ISLAM CAN NOT BE FORCED INTO THAT PICTURE.
    Because it does not belong to the picture.

    wakeup.

    #783053
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    Yes Terr. We need to consider the image of the Beast.

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