HolySpirit is GOD: The Father of Jesus Christ

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,04:18)
    hi edj

    just make it clear i do not judge you i do not know you that is personally,so there is no way i can judge you in any way,
    that said i do can judge what is put in front of me and then compere it to the scriptures ,and see how they stand,
    but in this case wen i said it is as clear as mud ;it means that it can not be understood it looks you do not go anywhere ,
    and this is my opinion so if you want to explain it feel free to do so ,
    Christ in healing a blind man he made some mud and put it on the eyes of the man and he could see,but this was physical.

    just remember Satan like that people believe in the unbelievable things, because this create mystery and this allowed and open door to his way.


    Hi Terraricca,

    Yes I know; the Scriptures “Clearly” say “YHVH is One GOD”,
    yet in spite of this people believe somehow “HolySpirit” is something different?

    Don't you think that is satan's doing; as you have stated
       
    'people believe in the unbelievable things'…and people also…
        'create mystery'

    Yes; it really is quite simple isn't it:  “HolySpirit” is GOD!

    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
    distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distraction of spirit
    .

    God bless
    Ed J
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    edj

    i do not support that God is the Holy spirit, how could a carpenter be his hammer or the hammer be the carpenter ????????????????????????

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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,05:03)
    edj

    i do not support that God is the Holy spirit,  how could a carpenter be his hammer or the hammer be the carpenter ????????????????????????


    Hi T

    The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting HolySpirit as GOD.

    Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
        but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit),
        it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mathew 12:32

    Babylon means confusion!

    Jer.50:23-24 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken!
    how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! I have laid a snare for thee,
    and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught,
    because thou hast striven against the LORD.

    Rev17:3-5 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
    and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,
    having seven heads and ten horns.  And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
    and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations
    and filthiness of her fornication; And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
              THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    Ed J

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    gene

    you do not say the truth,i do not reject the Holy spirit ,i say i don't agree what you say that the HOLY SPIRIT is GOD the father,
    if you do not understand what i say tell me

    this are your words;;Yes; it really is quite simple isn't it: “HolySpirit” is GOD!
    show us your scritures were it say that ,

    i do not support that God IS the Holy spirit, how could a carpenter be his hammer or the hammer be the carpenter ??????
    i do believe that God spirit is Holy and that he use it in many way,but he is not the Holy spirit Or Holy spirit is God is not true.

    please show me in the bible.

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    gene

    could you explain this verse;;Mt 12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
    Mt 12:26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
    Mt 12:27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
    Mt 12:28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
    Mt 12:29 “Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
    Mt 12:30 “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
    Mt 12:31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
    Mt 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
    Mt 12:33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
    Mt 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
    Mt 12:35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
    Mt 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
    Mt 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

    i am sure i quote all the related verse ,you want me to understand everything in the context right??

    Paul says you can do nothing agains the truth,

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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,05:56)
    gene

    you do not say the truth,i do not reject the Holy spirit ,i say i don't agree what you say  that the HOLY SPIRIT is GOD the father,
    if you do not understand what i say tell me

    this are your words;;Yes; it really is quite simple isn't it:  “HolySpirit” is GOD!
    show us your scritures were it say that ,

    i do not support that God  IS the Holy spirit,  how could a carpenter be his hammer or the hammer be the carpenter ??????
    i do believe that God spirit is Holy and that he use it in many way,but he is not the Holy spirit Or Holy spirit is God is not true.

    please show me in the bible.


    Hi T

    Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise:
    When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph,
    before they came together, she was found with child of theHolySpirit“.

    Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold,
    the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,
    Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
    for that which is conceived in her is of theHolySpirit“.

    Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
    TheHolySpiritshall come upon thee,
    and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
    therefore also that holy thing which shall
    be born of thee shall be called the
    Son of God
    .

    Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting HolySpirit as GOD.

    Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
       but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit),
       it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mathew 12:32

    Ed J

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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,06:11)
    gene

    could you explain this verse;;Mt 12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
    Mt 12:26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
    Mt 12:27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
    Mt 12:28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
    Mt 12:29 “Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
    Mt 12:30 “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
    Mt 12:31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
    Mt 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
    Mt 12:33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
    Mt 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
    Mt 12:35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
    Mt 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
    Mt 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

    i am sure i quote all the related verse ,you  want me to understand everything in the context right??

    Paul says you can do nothing agains the truth,


    Hi Terraricca,

    satan is: 'i am'=23, the FAKE=23 god; and his kingdom is falling apart at the seams.

    There is division (dichotomy) among believers…
    This everybody already knows! But it can be explained and abandoned.

    God’s Name יהוה is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how the
    Gematria value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
    bears a striking resemblance to the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.

    The wall Jesus died to abolish (Eph.2:14), is illustrate as this dichotomy: [6823] and [2368].

               “Trinitarian”?            and          “non-Trinitarian”!
                6823             and            2368

                “Trinitarian”                           “non-Trinitarian”      
     New god=68 'i am'=23?            'i am'=23 NOT JAH=68!
             (AKJV Gal.2:20)                      (AKJV Psalm 68:4-5)

    Here is the division you are locked into calling your view 'truth'?
    How can what you believe in “STAND”; it is divided and MUST FALL!

    Ed J

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     terraricca 
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    hi edj

    it is funny how you take scriptures out of context but here it is and let see if it teaches you kind of idea;;
    Eph 4:1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received.
    Eph 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
    Eph 4:3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
    Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called—
    Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
    Eph 4:7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.
    Eph 4:8 This is why it says:
    “When he ascended on high,
    he led captives in his train
    and gave gifts to men.”
    Eph 4:9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions ?
    Eph 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
    Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
    Eph 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
    Eph 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

    this is from your quote and idea;The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting HolySpirit as GOD

    again i do not see that in those scriptures ,were do you see it ??????????????

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    edj

    sorry the calculation are man made and i do not go in men made confutions.

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    ED J,

    “Holy Spirit IS God”, you say? The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God : Hence “The [Holy] Spirit of God”

    God has a Spirit – it is the only HOLY Spirit
    Jesus has a Spirit (The Spirit of Christ)
    Man has a Spirit (The Spirit of Man)

    I confess I never heard your points of argument before – this is new to me.
    You believe that God is One
    That he is the Father – alone
    That Jesus Christ is the only Son of God the Father

    But then you say:
    The Holy Spirit IS God
    That Jesus was/is Half God/Half Man

    Is there Yet another Doctrine Creed in developmental progress? Did you make it up on your own – dangerous? Who supports you in this thinking?
    Hush – don't speak it loud in public – people might believe you and you will become a God.

    Drop the Half man/Half God thing and the rest is academic – you will be blessed for it – believe me!

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    Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 22 2010,08:33)
    ED J,

    “Holy Spirit IS God”, you say? The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God : Hence “The [Holy] Spirit of God”

    God has a Spirit – it is the only HOLY Spirit
    Jesus has a Spirit (The Spirit of Christ)
    Man has a Spirit (The Spirit of Man)

    I confess I never heard your points of argument before – this is new to me.
    You believe that God is One
    That he is the Father – alone
    That Jesus Christ is the only Son of God the Father

    But then you say:
    The Holy Spirit IS God
    That Jesus was/is Half God/Half Man

    Is there Yet another Doctrine Creed in developmental progress? Did you make it up on your own – dangerous? Who supports you in this thinking?
    Hush – don't speak it loud in public – people might believe you and you will become a God.

    Drop the Half man/Half God thing and the rest is academic – you will be blessed for it – believe me!


    Hi JustAskin,

    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
    distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit
    .

    Here are the FACTS, according to The Bible…

    “The Word”(Holy Spirit) became fully flesh(in Jesus) at Jesus baptism by John;
    He(Holy Spirit) led Jesus into the wilderness in Luke 4:1 and He(Holy Spirit)
    caused Jesus to return from the wilderness in Luke 4:14! He(Holy Spirit)
    also made Jesus aware that he(Jesus) would have to die on a cross for the sins of mankind!
    This is how “The Word”(Jesus’ Father) was made flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 14:9 / John 1:14)

    John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
    for God giveth not the [HolySpirit] by measure unto him(Jesus Christ).

    God bless
    Ed J
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    edj
    this is unbelievable that some people can see this in those scriptures,unless of cause they are helped to see it that way,
    this is absolutely influenced directional will.

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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,10:07)
    edj
    this is unbelievable that some people can see this in those scriptures,unless of cause they are helped to see it that way,
    this is absolutely influenced directional will.


    Hi Terraricca,

    In what way do I or JustAskin have an influenced directional will; please explain?

    Ed J

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    EdJ,
    Influenced Will is not a point of debate here.

    As for the theory that you have it can be counted amongst those of the foolish and the ignorant!

    You have 'invented' a whole new Cult and written your own Bible to read what you believe.

    I asked, who else believes your halfman-god, holy spirit is the Word becomes flesh in Jesus and is his father?

    EDJ, get some help – quick! You almost make want to believe in the Trinity because even as sad and warped as that is, it is far more paletable (as if!) than this twaddle that you are spouting.

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    edj
    i did not mention “Justaskin” it was only addressed to you ,for the things you posted ,

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    Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 22 2010,10:40)
    EdJ,
    Influenced Will is not a point of debate here.

    As for the theory that you have it can be counted amongst those of the foolish and the ignorant!

    You have 'invented' a whole new Cult and written your own Bible to read what you believe.

    EDJ, get some help – quick! You almost make want to believe in the Trinity because even as sad and warped as that is, it is far more paletable (as if!) than this twaddle that you are spouting.


    Hi JustAskin,

    John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin:
        but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

    Ed J

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    edj
    are you a pharesees,or a dr of the law??
    or equivalent to that ??
    and show others to believe what is yours ????????

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    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2010,16:56)

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 21 2010,15:15)
    The Word of the Oath was God's Word spoken to Jesus saying to him that he was to be a priest after the order of Melchizadek forever.

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    Hbr 7:20 And inasmuch as [He was] not [made priest] without an oath
    Hbr 7:21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: “The LORD has sworn And will not relent, 'You [are] a priest forever [fn] According to the order of Melchizedek' [fn] “

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Hi Marty,

    HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ!

    How can you know what I speak of when you change the FOCUS?
    The Focus is: The Word(Farter:The Word) made the GodSon=74(Jesus=74)    
    I “only” use numbers(and colors) to “ADD things up” for others to truly begin to understand!
    “HolySpirit”=151 is “The Father” of “Jesus Christ”=151; HolySpirit is GOD!

                      “Father:The Word”=151

    Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
    the word(HolySpirit) of the oath(Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law,
    maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.
    Luke 5:11 Now the parable is this: The seedisthe word of God.
    Jesus was born EXACTLY 1/2 HolySpirit(GOD)! Forth Post(Page 340)!
    https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=3390

    Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise:
    When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph,
    before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.

    Matt.1:2020 But while he thought on these things, behold,
    the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,
    Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
    for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit.

    Eph.4:6 ONE God and Father OF ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    John 10:35-36 If he(HolySpirit) called them gods, unto whom the word of God(HolySpirit) came,
    and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www,holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed:

    The scriptures stated that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. Why not just leave it at that. God is a living soul with a mind and a will and emotions. His throne is in heaven, but He can be every where by His Spirit.

    It is by His Spirit that He is the Father of our Lord Jesus, and He dwells within all born again believers by His Spirit.

    The scripture states:

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    1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God 1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    God has spoken to humanity through Jesus by His Spirit, and what he has spoken of course is His Word, but you say by your parenthesis that the Word is the Father, and the Word is the Holy Spirit if I am understanding you correctly.

    No, I don't see it that way.

    I have given my understanding of this in my previous post pertaining to this topic.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

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     selah 
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    Hello Kerwin,

    You have suggested that Isaiah 41:4 is the best scripture to display your point of the oneness of God, where you have said that God calls himself the first Lord and the last Lord.

    If God had described himself in this passage as the only Lord, that would have merit, but by His implication that there is a first and a last, indicates to me more than one.

    Is it possible that your translation differs from the KJV which states:

    Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning?  I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.

    If Isaiah is a strong point for you regarding the oneness of God, your translation must be missing the word … “with”.

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    Quote (selah @ Jan. 22 2010,13:38)
    Hello Kerwin,

    You have suggested that Isaiah 41:4 is the best scripture to display your point of the oneness of God, where you have said that God calls himself the first Lord and the last Lord.

    If God had described himself in this passage as the only Lord, that would have merit, but by His implication that there is a first and a last, indicates to me more than one.

    Is it possible that your translation differs from the KJV which states:

    Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning?  I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.

    If Isaiah is a strong point for you regarding the oneness of God, your translation must be missing the word … “with”.

    I was careless as I think I meant to quote Isaiah 48:12 which does not have the “with” in either the New International Version or the King James Version.  

    Isaiah 48:12(KJV) reads:

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    Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    I don't believe Isaiah 41:4 Contradicts it.  As you got me looking I also see Isaiah 44:6 is a better scripture as it is even more explicit.

    Isaiah 44:6(KJV) reads:

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    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

    I believe it is the Hebrew way of that era to look at things.  If there is only one of an item then that item is both the first item and the last item of its kind.  I do not believe we are taught by our culture to look at the situation the same way.

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