• Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You asked Berean:

     If Yahweh is one god, and Jesus is not the same god as Yahweh, then Jesus has no choice but to be a different god, right?

    If Yahweh is the great and awesome God who is both God and Lord, two persons who are each Yahweh as well as together the Unity of Yahweh, then one can anoint the other. Problem solved. One can also…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Berean:  Jesus… is not the God who anointed him.

    So then Jesus must be a DIFFERENT god, right?  If Yahweh is one god, and Jesus is not the same god as Yahweh, then Jesus has no choice but to be a different god, right?

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Berean, that would be a valid conclusion if you first assume that the “our image” part of Gen 1:26 refers ONLY to Jesus.  How do you know that God wasn’t talking to His entire heavenly court?  After all, the other gods (you call them “angels”) are also sons of God, and therefore share God’s image just as Jesus does and just as all the human sons o…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:… 

    V.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them….

    Colossians 1:15 (Jesus) Who is the image of the invisible God,….

    Hebrews1 :3 (Jesus)Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of h…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike:  Ps 82…  “You are gods, all of you sons of the Most High, but you will die like men.”

    GENE, WHERE IN THAT PSALM CAN I FIND ANY INDICATION OF WHAT YOU CLAIM – THAT HE CALLED THEM GODS, BUT DIDN’T ACTUALLY MEAN THEY WERE GODS?

    I DEMAND a DIRECT answer.

    Gene: Mike,  have abswered it over and over,   your seems just to ignorant to see it.

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  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Gene:  The Word God is not a person,  it is a description of your  (relationship),  with something, anything…

    Genesis 1:1… In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

    Gene, does Gen 1:1 mention a PERSON?  Yes or No?

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Mike

    Jesus IS the ONLY begotten Son OF God and therefore he is not the God who anointed him.

     

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU:  The Father and Son created man in their image.

    Um… scripture says God created man in HIS image – not “their” image.  Please reconcile your statement with scripture.

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Danny: Hi Mike…  I agree.

    👍🙂

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Hi Berean.  You listed a couple of scriptures instead of actually answering my question.  I’d prefer if you would just directly answer it.

    Mike:  Is Christ (which means: anointed one of God) the same God as the God who anointed him?

    A simple Yes or No will suffice.

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Gene: LU….As I recall scriptures says that God made me in his “IMAGE ” ALSO.  

    So exactly how does being made in the IMAGE of God, make you a GOD?

    That was a great answer to their hit jobs, Gene.  It was clear that you were asking if they were trying to make Jesus into an IDOL that represented God… against God’s second commandme…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Danny Dabbs

    Hi LU,

    In Deut 10:17 Yahweh is identified as God of gods, and Lord of lords!
    Jesus Christ is His Son.
    Do you agree?

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU:  With all that you said, why would I waste my time trying to find a son named after his father.

    It wasn’t a “gotcha” question, Kathi.  I was just wondering if there were any scriptural examples other than the one where you CLAIM that a person named Jesus is actually named Yahweh.

    I thought I remembered a “Herod the Great” and a “Herod the L…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU: In Zechariah, Yahweh associates Himself as the one who was poorly valued. In Matthew, we see that Jesus is the “Yahweh” of the story/prophecy…

    In an effort to move things along, let’s just say that you are right.  What would that prove?  Consider…

    Deuteronomy 33:13-16… May his land be blessed by Yahweh… with the choice gifts of the l…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Gene, you asked:

    So exactly how does being made in the IMAGE of God, make you a GOD?

    It doesn’t. The Father and Son created man in their image. The creation is not god. That position would belong to the Father and Son who created the creation obviously but thanks for setting up my answer.

    Blessings, LU

     

  • Profile picture of Danny Dabbs

    Hi Mike,

    You said:

    “So if the construction of Hebrews 1 makes it possible for the author to be saying that either Jesus is the creator or God is the creator… then we must use the other scriptures to help us determine which one is the correct understanding. And in this case, since there are so MANY other scriptures that make it undeniable that J…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi Berean.  Is Christ (which means: anointed one of God) the same God as the God who anointed him?

    Hi Mike
    But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
    and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
    John

    John.1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was Go…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    LU….As I recall scriptures says that God made me in his “IMAGE ” ALSO.  

    So exactly how does being made in the IMAGE of God, make you a GOD?

     

    Peace and love to you and yours LU…….gene

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike: “In the beginning, A LIVING BEING THOUGHT TO HAVE POWERS OVER NATURE AND THE AFFAIRS OF MEN created the heaven and the earth.”

    LU:  Oh look, you are saying that the idea of being in the position of having powers over nature and the affairs of men is what people believe about who or what they associate with the word “god.”

    What? They are…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Danny:  I have found an answer to Hebrews 1 and Psalm 102 that
    I personally believe is the biblical one.
    It will be explained in a video from a guy named Kel.

    Thanks for that, Danny.  The guy took a long time to get there, but his “and/but contrast” claim is valid.  The basic gist of Hebrews 1 and 2 is…

    1.  God spoke through lesser persons in…[Read more]

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