Trinity Doctrine conclusion – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

If we consider all the scriptures that we have read so far then we must conclude that the Trinity is not only an inadequate way to describe God, but is actually a false doctrine designed to take our eyes off scripture and to place our trust in man-made creeds.

Similar to the Theory of Evolution, the doctrine of the Trinity is based mainly on imagination and its propenents desperately cling to any evidence or scripture that has the slightest possibility of backing up their thoughts. But in doing so they stray from truth and change the truth of God into a lie.

The nature of Man will always make idols in the place of God, because the carnal nature can never come into subjection to the will of God. A representation of God made by hands must start as an image in the mind and this is what the Trinity doctrine is, an idol created in the mind of man that has actually been made into idols made of wood, stone etc. It’s pride in the intellect of certain individuals who have lead many astray by laying a stumbling block. This doctrine doesn’t even claim inspiration as far as I know, yet the scriptures do. Strangest thing of all is that you can contradict scripture, but if you contradict a creed then you are a Heretic, (punishable by death during the dark ages). Many don’t realize that their actions are trying to bring back this darkness.

Trinitarians argue that the Trinity has always been taught by the Church and there was never a time that it was not. Of course they would say this, otherwise they would have to admit that it was an addition and therefore not a biblical doctrine nor a foundational one. But if the Trinity doctrine is not taught in scripture, then it is an addition. Now according to history, the original Nicean Creed included only the Father and Son. The Holy Spirit was added in decades later. So it seems clear that the theology was never always taught as they say, rather it developed over time and changed over time.

e.g., in Encarta it says the following:

A theology of the Holy Spirit developed slowly, largely in response to controversies over the relation of Jesus Christ to God the Father. In 325, the Council of Nicaea condemned as heresy the Arian teaching that the Son was a creature, neither equal to, nor coeternal with, the Father. ………Later pronouncements brought only one important doctrinal change, the 9th-century addition of filioque to the creed of Constantinople. That addition, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the son, has been a source of discord between Eastern and Western Christianity ever since.
Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

The only way that we can perhaps try to understand the Trinity doctrine is to say as they say, that God is one nature/substance and then we must assume that this nature/substance spawns 3 personalities. That is the only conclusion if God has 3 personalities and is one substance. This idea is ridiculous of course as it assumes that nature is greater than identity and identity is a manifestation of the nature rather than nature being a manifestation of the identity. This idea leans toward a New Age concept of God as being a force of some kind, even if this supposed force manifests 3 consciences and creates many others. But God is a personal identity and is known as his/him/he etc. God is not an organisation or substanc and neither is God a thing or an it.

Trinitarians deny that God is a person/identity, they say that he is a collective or substance or organisation made up of 3 personalities. But the scriptures teach that God is an identity and shares his nature with his son and even his sons. God is one identity, not 3 identites. God is a him and we refer to God as a ‘him’, not as ‘they’.

Mark 12:29
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

In scripture, we are clearly shown that the Father is the most High God and he is God to everyone and everything. Next we have Jesus the Word of God, and He is God or more descriptively Lord of everything but his Father and God. Furthermore, we have man or the sons of God, but we are not God to the Father or Son that is obvious, but we are lords to the animals and of the Earth. Remember we will rule and reign with Jesus, and Jesus will rule and reign with his Father. We have to respect this divine order. God is not a creature that we can shape or analyze. He is, and we can only accept him or reject him. He is beyond our thinking and the only clues to what God is like is revealed in his creation, by Jesus Christ and God’s Spirit.

The Trinity teaches that God is made up of 3 equal personalities, the Father the Son & The Holy Spirit, and each has existed for all eternity together. But the scriptures teach that Man came from Christ and Christ came from God, yet we (men) are also god (theos) & (elohim). Paul teaches us that there are many Gods, yet for us there is One God the Father. It is the Father who is the Most High God and Jesus the Christ is the Word of God. Man was created to be God like. Again it is our Heavenly Father who is the most High God and Jesus Christ (Yeshua) and us (mankind) have the nature of God and we are gods.

So the Divine order is the Father, then the Son of God, and then the Sons of God. We are the offspring of God. Therefore like any offspring, we will become like our parents. I.e. Christ like and ultimately God like. See Acts 17:29
“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image made by man’s design and skill.

The Father created all things in the beginning, but through Christ. The Father also saved us through his Son.

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

We abide in the Father through his Son. 1John 2:23-24 says.
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

We do all things for God through the Son according to 1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Our Father will always be our Father, yet Jesus will call us brothers. See Hebrews 2:11

Jesus Christ is God’s firstborn, he was given birth as the Wisdom of God. He came from God and creation came through him, he is the Word of God. Creation is that which was made by God through the Word. This of course excludes Jesus because he is the Word, rather Jesus was begotten not created, yet God loved us to the degree that he gave his only begotten Son, so we can have eternal life. God made all things through him and for him and God also redeemed us through him .

We must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. This is essential if you are to be part of the true Church. It is not a requirement to believe that Jesus is the most High God as some say, but rather that he is the Son of God. Jesus is the Mediator between his Father and our Father & his God and our God.

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Proverbs 30:4
Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!

Jesus was the Son of God, is the Son of God, and will be the only begotten Son of God forever. Take note of the following:

Hebrews 6:13
For when God made a promise to Abrahm, because he could swear by no one greater, he swore by himself.

Hebrews 6:16-17
for men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath.

Hebrews 7:20-21
And inasmuch as he was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath , but he with an oath by him who said to him: “The LORD has sworn and will not relent, ‘you are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”

Matthew 23:22
And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

When God could find no greater to swear by he swore by himself…this was with Abraham. But he also did this in an oath concerning Jesus as High Priest. Also, when Jesus taught us not to swear, he made it clear that ultimately, it is the Father we offend. So God did not swear by Jesus, but by, in his view, the highest authority, which was himself.

Now many who believe in the Trinity say that it is a foundational doctrine, in other words they say that you must believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God in order to be saved. Of course this means that most do not consider this doctrine an optional opinion, rather a/the foundation. Trinitarians will try and tell you that you must believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved. But that is another gospel, the truth is that Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is the Son of God. This confession is the foundation off the Church.

The Trinity Doctrine is the foundation of the Harlot Churches which are built on this false foundation. This Harlot Church is responsible not only for much false doctrine, but also the death and persecution of tens of millions of people. Now I am not saying that those who believe in the Trinity are not children of God, rather I am just saying that such a person is participating or building on a false foundation and they need to repent. The words “Come out of her my people” are appropriate here. I usually refer to this false foundation and it’s constructions as Christian City, but we should be looking for the Celestial City, the one made without human hands. Most of these denominations are built on top of creeds, they are their foundation. Most Church members have to agree to that creedal statement before they can be truly considered a member. Most Creeds are based on the Trinity doctrine and it is interesting to note that trinities are worshipped in many pagan religions as far back as Babylon itself. Most Trinitarians believe the Trinity doctrine by faith first, then they learn and use certain scripture to back up their belief later. How many people do you know who start with no bias and just read the scriptures and based their theology on what God reveals to them, with no interference of any Creed? We can prove just about anything by starting of with a statement and then taking a scripture here and there. But how many of us read scripture and let that paint the true picture, rather than reading scripture in the light of Creeds that become the template in which scripture must fit.

So which foundation will you build on?

The Trinity doctrine or the one in Matthew 16:13-18
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!


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  • #14813
    Oneway 2be saved
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    I have read your passage debunking the Trinity doctrine. I am praying that God reveals the truth to me about this topic. You have strong points in your passage. However there are two scriptures that seem to be hard to swallow for a person not believing in the Trinity. I am also curious as to why you did not include these two scriptures into your passage considering all of the well documented research you have compiled for your message. These two scriptures are: 1John5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven:the Father,the Word, and the Holy Spirit;and these three are one. The second verse you include but the translation is in the point you are favoring. Your NIV version of Acts2:32 “God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.” If you quoted form the NKJV the verse reads like this Acts2:32 “This Jesus God has raised up,of which we are all witnesses.” Are we not to take the Bible for how it reads. If Jesus is God of man then he is also God. Why not say this Jesus Lord or this Lord Jesus and Christ Jesus.

    #14814
    Cubes
    Participant

    Quote (Oneway2besaved @ June 09 2006,11:01)
    The second verse you include but the translation is in the point you are favoring.  Your NIV version of Acts2:32 “God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.”  If you quoted form the NKJV the verse reads like this  Acts2:32 “This Jesus God has raised up,of which we are all witnesses.”  Are we not to take the Bible for how it reads.  If Jesus is God of man then he is also God.  Why not say this Jesus Lord or this Lord Jesus and Christ Jesus.


    Hi OW2BS:

    Welcome on board.
    I didn't follow your point on Acts 2:32.  Could you clarify?  I would say this, that Acts 2 as pertains to the Apostle Peter's sermon, does not support the trinity, nor does acts 4, nor 5, 7, 13, 26 and undoubtedly any part that you choose to read.  
    Try not to focus on a verse (though you could and I am sure in the end it would confirm what I am saying).  Consider yourself as part of the audience that the Apostle was speaking to… you are at an outdoor crusade or something, and here come these disciples that Jesus himself hand picked.  They are telling you the news about God's kingdom, who Jesus is.  Listen intently and let the Holy Spirit of God give you understanding.  For sure, they were not saying that Jesus Christ is God Almighty, but the Son of God and Messiah.

    May God bless you.

    #14815
    Oneway 2be saved
    Participant

    There are a lot of scriptures that tell us Jesus is one with God. I believe that God is greater than Jesus but that Jesus is also a part of God the father just as the Holy spirit is. For example John10:37-38 If I do not do the works of my father, do not believe me; but if I do, though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the father is in me, and I in him. Or how about 1John5:7 For there are three that bear witness on in heaven; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. The Father is eternal and immutable, without beginning nor end… the Word, the Son is also eternal, The Father has Word from the beginning, and the Word is the Son who became flesh, Jesus the Christ. So, the Word, the Son, was not created but eternally begotten of the Father, begotten not made, one in Being with the Father always, since eternity to eternity.

    On top of it, if just for a second the Word would have not existed, for that second the Father would have been no “Father” because for that second He would have had no “Son”, which is an impossible, because He is eternally immutable.

    #14816
    david
    Participant

    Hello Oneway,
    There is a whole thread on 1 John 5:7 in the “bible discussions” section.
    Basically, the latter part of that scripture “these three are one” has absolutely no right being in any Bible. Newer translations don't include it. It was added to support the trinity. It shouldn't be there.

    Your point on this scripture:
    Acts2:32 “This Jesus God has raised up,of which we are all witnesses.”

    There are no comma's in the manuscripts from which this verse is taken. Clearly it is not saying “Jesus God” has been raised up. It says that This Jesus, “God” raised up. Many other verses show that God raised Jesus up. Jesus did not resurrect himself. This scripture does not support the trinity belief and it's not even something trinitarians use to support the trinity belief. It shouldn't trouble you.

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    On top of it, if just for a second the Word would have not existed, for that second the Father would have been no “Father” because for that second He would have had no “Son”, which is an impossible, because He is eternally immutable.

    Well, no. We know that in other parts of the Bible God is spoken of as becoming a Savoir, a Redeemer or repurchaser, etc. He wasn't always these things. God's personality, characteristics, thinking on matters, etc are unchangable however.

    There is one main “trinity” thread in the “bible discussions” section. And there's many other threads on the trinity, including one on 1 John 5:7.

    david.

    #14817
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Oneway2besaved @ June 11 2006,02:24)
    There are a lot of scriptures that tell us Jesus is one with God.  I believe that God is greater than Jesus but that Jesus is also a part of God the father just as the Holy spirit is.  For example John10:37-38 If I do not do the works of my father, do not believe me; but if I do, though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the father is in me, and I in him.  Or how about 1John5:7 For there are three that bear witness on in heaven; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.   The Father is eternal and immutable, without beginning nor end… the Word, the Son is also eternal, The Father has Word from the beginning, and the Word is the Son who became flesh, Jesus the Christ. So, the Word, the Son, was not created  but eternally begotten of the Father, begotten not made, one in Being with the Father always, since eternity to eternity.

       On top of it, if just for a second the Word would have not existed, for that second the Father would have been no “Father” because for that second He would have had no “Son”, which is an impossible, because He is eternally immutable.


    Hi O,
    Does scripture ever say that God has always been a father?

    #14843
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Oneway2besaved @ June 10 2006,01:01)
    I have read your passage debunking the Trinity doctrine. I am praying that God reveals the truth to me about this topic. You have strong points in your passage. However there are two scriptures that seem to be hard to swallow for a person not believing in the Trinity. I am also curious as to why you did not include these two scriptures into your passage considering all of the well documented research you have compiled for your message. These two scriptures are: 1John5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven:the Father,the Word, and the Holy Spirit;and these three are one. The second verse you include but the translation is in the point you are favoring. Your NIV version of Acts2:32 “God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.” If you quoted form the NKJV the verse reads like this Acts2:32 “This Jesus God has raised up,of which we are all witnesses.” Are we not to take the Bible for how it reads. If Jesus is God of man then he is also God. Why not say this Jesus Lord or this Lord Jesus and Christ Jesus.


    The writing you talk of does contain a section on 1 John 5:7.
    Taken from:
    https://heavennet.net/writings/trinity-05.htm

    Quote below:

    The next verse we will look at is a blatant attempt by man to give the doctrine of the Trinity credibility. That verse is 1 John 5:7 (English-KJV)
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    All other translations do not have the words ” the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” ; Apart from the King James translation. Translators agree that the last part of this verse was added in later and is actually a footnote in the Textus Receptus, the Greek text that the King James Bible was translated from. Now this same verse in the NIV for example simply says the following:

    1 John 5:7 (English-NIV)
    For there are three that testify:

    How did the disputed words find there way into the New testament?

    The first published Greek NT was edited in 1516 by Catholic priest, scholar, and humanist Erasmus in 1516. This edition did not include the disputed words. A revised edition in 1519 also did not include these words. Erasmus was severely criticised by other Catholic priests for not including in Greek these words which were well-known to them from the Latin. Erasmus said that the words were left out simply because he did not find them in any of the Greek manuscripts he had examined, and promised to insert them if they were found in even one Greek manuscript.

    An Irish monk deliberately fabricated such a manuscript to meet Erasmus' requirement. This manuscript (no. 61) was copied from an early manuscript which did not contain the words. The page in this manuscript containing the disputed words is on a special paper and has a glossy finish, unlike any other page in the manuscript. On the basis of this one 16th century deliberately falsified manuscript, Erasmus inserted the disputed words in his 3rd, 4th, and 5th editions of the Greek NT, though he protested that he did not believe the words were genuine.

    Nearly all printed Greek NTs from Erasmus until the 19th century were simply reprints of Erasmus' 4th or 5th edition, and so the words continued to be printed in Greek as part of I John even though there is no sufficient evidence for their inclusion. Recent editions of the Greek NT follow the manuscript evidence and therefore do not insert the words.

    The earliest English New Testament, the translation of Wycliffe in the 1380s, was made from medieval Latin manuscripts, and so it includes the disputed words, though it reads “son” instead of “word.” Tyndale's translation of 1525 was based on Erasmus' 3rd edition and so it included the words. In the 2nd and 3rd editions of his translation, Tyndale placed the disputed words in parentheses to show that their genuineness was doubtful. Several editions of the NT edited by Tyndale's assistant Miles Coverdale also placed the disputed words in parentheses or smaller type or both to show that they were disputed. Jugge's 1552 edition of Tyndale's NT omitted the parentheses and printed the words in standard type, a practice followed in later English Bibles, including the KJV (based on Beza's 1598 Greek NT, a virtual reprint of Erasmus' 4th edition). Recent conservative translations of the NT (ASV, NASB, NIV) delete the disputed words entirely or put them in a footnote because the evidence is conclusive that they were not an original part of John's letter. [Verse numbers were not added until 1551 in a Greek NT based on Erasmus' 4th edition]

    Now 1 John 5:7 is about the closest verse in the Bible that hints at a Trinity and yet that verse is not actually scripture, rather a footnote that was inserted into some texts fraudently. In scripture we find that Jesus himself never taught the Trinity, on the contrary he taught us that his Father is his God and our God see John 20:17 (English-NIV)

    Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, `I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

    John 10:29
    29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    If we try to push a doctrine that is not biblical then the scriptures are there to correct us according to 2 Timothy 3:16 (English-NIV)

    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

    If we continue to push a false doctrine contrary to the scriptures then God hands us over to that way of thinking and we will reap the fruit of that doctrine. I have no problem understanding how some Christians got involved in worshipping Mary and the Saints. If we see men pushing to have the doctrine of the Trinity accepted then that pushing will complete its path and manifest to its extreme, so that not only is Jesus exalted to be equal with the Father but then we probably should exalt Mary as well, after all she is Jesus Mother and if Jesus is God then Mary must be the Mother of God and being the Mother of God means that she must also be sinless. And why not worship the saints after all if we can exalt Mary, then we should exalt the saints as they are legends and are worthy of special recognition?

    I think history demonstrates to us that the wisdom of this doctrine is a false wisdom because the fruit of that doctrine is bad. God allows such things to mature so he can judge it and also to allow such thinking to be exposed in the light in order for creation to witness the result of such deception. In fact God does the same thing with the Devil and his children. Remember that Jesus wants the tares (children of the devil) and wheat (children of God) to mature so all can be understood so that all things can be judged. This is the harvest and the harvest is the end of the world.

    #14844
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Also try this article in Wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma

    #14851
    Moriet
    Participant

    Check out my thread showing the error of using the NIV to make any sort of doctrine from, here

    One of many things is that the NIV calls Jesus and Satan by the same name, would you like to base doctrine off of a Bible that does that?

    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    (1 John 5:7 KJV)

    Even if you want to throw out the 1 John verse the next two help to sum it up along with many other verses, just dont trust the newer translations.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
    (John 1:1-2 KJV)

    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    (John 1:14 KJV)

    #14855
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi M,
    Yes the truth is in those verses.
    The Word was WITH GOD.
    Two beings, not one.
    Unity came by agreement.

    #14857
    Moriet
    Participant

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
    (John 1:1-2 KJV)

    #14859
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Is it not odd that those who favour the trinity can see past the middle of the verse to the end? We cannot break scripture so these matters must be reconciled. We do not deny the divine nature of the Word as the image of God so the end of the verse is no problem. How do you reconcile the Word being WITH God as is written three times at least in scripture?

    #14860
    Moriet
    Participant

    Simple, He was there from the beginning He is the Alpha and Omega. I never looked past the middle part of the verse though i recognize that they are different yet one.

    #14861
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi M,
    How are they different? Are they separate as fathers are from their sons?

    #14862
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi M,
    Job 1.6
    “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord..”

    Were these sons part of the Lord they were presenting themselves before?

    #14863
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi M,
    “The beginning “is the epoch before time stretching back into eternity. To be “from' then does not state one has no origin.

    #14864
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Moriet @ June 12 2006,21:52)
    Simple, He was there from the beginning He is the Alpha and Omega. I never looked past the middle part of the verse though i recognize that they are different yet one.


    Hi M,
    The Book of Revelation is, as you will see from the first few verses
    from God
    from Jesus
    from the angel
    from John

    to us.

    Revelation is the ultimate challenge as far as exegesis goes and it is meant to be so to make us fight to extract the truth. In the book all of the first four speak, as well as recording the words of others such as angels and the elder who spoke with John. They all speak and one verse may quote one and the next another.

    Anyone who can define as being the words of Jesus any statement such as “I am the Alpha and Omega” has to prove the source as correctly applied to get beyond this situation.

    #14884
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Moriet @ June 13 2006,16:44)
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
    (John 1:1-2 KJV)


    To Moriet,

    John 1:1 (English-NIV)
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    a) In the beginning was the Word, (en arch hn o logoV)
    b) and the Word was with God, (kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon)
    c) and the Word was God. (kai qeoV hn o logoV).

    John 1:1b says that the Word was with God and John 1:1c says that the Word was God, so how can the Word be God and be with God at the same time? Well part of the answer to discovering the meaning of this verse is found in 1 John 1:1-2

    “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life and the life was manifested, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was made manifest to us”.

    So when we read 1John 1:2, it suggests to us that the God in John1:1b is the Father himself.

    Moving on we seee In John 1:1c, the last word God is missing the definite article, (the). That article is before all other instances of the word 'God' and 'Logos' in John 1:1. (E.g., the Word, The God.)

    There is an understanding among scholars that in Greek sentence construction, if a noun does not have a preceding article, (e.g., the) it should be considered an adjective (a predicate adjective); and if such a noun does have a preceding article it should be considered a noun (a predicate nominative). Understanding this, many scholars saw the benefit of the rule for affirming the deity of Christ in John 1:1, but didn't make the difference clear regarding identity and nature.

    Is Theos in John 1:1c qualitative? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also, if The Logos was God himself, then the verse would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God and no other.) So we have 2 good reasons now for reading the last word 'God' as qualitive.

    Anyhow, John explains the conclusion for his Book and that conclusion is not the Trinity Doctrine.

    John 20:30-31.
    30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
    31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. ”

    This is what is taught here. That Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. This belief is imperative if we are to have life in his name.

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