The swift rise of ISIS

Terrorists dressed in black

The rapid rise of ISIS sees the self-named Caliphate now reaching into an area from Algeria to Afghanistan

The interesting thing about the speed at which this group have spread reminds me of the description of the Beast in Revelation.

Revelation 13:2
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Notice that it resembled a leopard, the same description for the Grecian Empire in Daniel’s vision.

Daniel 7:4 The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle’s wings… = Babylon
Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear… = Media Persia
Daniel 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard… = Greece

The leopard is a fast animal and Alexander The Great conquered the known world faster than anyone before him and after him. Look at the description of Alexander in Daniel 8:4-8 who is symbolised here as the goat with the Persians symbolized here as a ram:

4 I saw the ram butting westward, northward, and southward, and no other beasts could stand before him nor was there anyone to rescue from his power, but he did as he pleased and magnified himself.

5 While I was observing, behold, a male goat was coming from the west over the surface of the whole earth without touching the ground; and the goat had a conspicuous horn between his eyes.

6 He came up to the ram that had the two horns, which I had seen standing in front of the canal, and rushed at him in his mighty wrath.…

7 I saw him come beside the ram, and he was enraged at him; and he struck the ram and shattered his two horns, and the ram had no strength to withstand him. So he hurled him to the ground and trampled on him, and there was none to rescue the ram from his power.

8 Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly

Notice that the goat did not touch the ground and it rushed at the ram with his mighty wrath. What is described here is the speed and swiftness of Alexander’s conquests and history bears this out. The Beast that rises out of the sea as described in Revelation has all the features of the beasts mentioned in Daniel. Perhaps the Beast in Revelation is talking about all the beasts as one Beast. Seven heads and 10 horns. After all, we know there will be seven kingdoms/empires.

Revelation 13:2
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

So the beast is quick and swift like a leopard, has big feet like a bear to trample on, and a mouth of a lion so that it speaks great things. This Beast is given Satan’s throne and has great authority. So where is Satan’s throne?

Revelation 2:12
“To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: ‘I know your works, and where you dwell… where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to my name, and did not deny my faith even in the days in which Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.’

Pergamum is in Turkey which is where Emperor Constantine relocated the capital of the Roman Empire and named after himself. It was the seat of the Byzantine period of the Roman Empire as well as the seat of government for the Ottoman Empire. Further, Turkey was actually part of every head of the Beast from Egypt through to the Ottoman Empire.

Below is a map showing the swift spread of ISIS to date. It seems that the Middle East is like dry straw and Islamic fundamentalism is the spark. If nothing substantial is done to stop the spread of ISIS, it should find fertile ground in many more areas in the Middle East. If it gets big enough, it could well become the next empire in the region.

ISIS Map

Next is a map showing the Ottoman Empire at its height.

The Ottoman Empire In 1683

The Ottoman Empire In 1683

Perhaps ISIS could grow and become the eighth kingdom mentioned in Revelation. If not, it could easily be some other Islamic Empire that involves Iran for example.

There is a clue in Revelation 17:10-:

10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

The sixth kingdom was Rome and one more was to arise after that. However, there is also an eighth kingdom and it is of the seventh. From Babylon to Rome each kingdom was succeeded by the next. Rome itself was succeeded by the Ottoman Empire which would place it as the seventh kingdom that was to come in John’s day. It was an Islamic Caliphate that lasted for around 500 years and ruled over large swathes of the Middle East and Europe. It finally died just after WWI. However, it looks like it may be coming back to life. If ISIS or another Islamic Kingdom arises in the Middle East, then it could be said that it is the eighth and of the seventh and we know that one of the heads of the Beast received a deadly wound and then comes back to life.

So far with the spread of ISIS we have seen great oppression, torture, murder, crucifixions, and beheadings. This has all the hallmarks of heading into the Tribulation period spoken of by John.

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    Introduction

    The following is a presentation of an eschatology that teaches Islam is the Beast. The purpose of this page is to present this theory of the Islamic empire that is said to fulfill the prophecies regarding the seventh Beast on Earth, (the seventh and eighth kings spoken of by John). This Beast is Islamic and is said to be ruled by the Islamic Mahdi whose description matches the Antichrist spoken of in the Bible. Seven Headed BeastBefore I start I should remind you that there are a number of popular end-time theories. Let’s take a quick look at two popular eschatological views.

    The Futurist View says that Europe is the Beast, the Antichrist a Jew, and the Mark of the Beast as a computer chip or bar-code implanted into people’s right-hand or forehead for buying and selling.

    The Preterite View interprets prophecies of the Bible as events that have already happened throughout history. This view usually features The Roman Empire, emperors, the Vatican, and popes as having fulfilled many end-time prophecies. I personally remain open minded on all the views out there and do think there is some merit with many of them, but obviously all cannot be right in their entirety. An important thing to note is that many consider Islam to be important somehow in the last days, yet the Futurist and Preterist views do not know where to place Islam in Bible prophecy.

    The Islamic Beast eschatological view has risen up in recent times and to me at least, this view seems to tick all the boxes. I am open to the view being wrong, but I think it is worthy of our consideration because the evidence is very compelling. Without further ado, I present this view.

    The Islamic Beast

    The Bible clearly states that antichrists deny the Father and the Son in 1 John 2:22-23:

    Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son, the same doesn’t have the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

    The Quran states clearly in Quran 2:116
    Who says “Allah has begotten a Son”?

    Quran 10.68
    They say, “Allah hath begotten a son!” Glory be to Him! He is Self-Sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this!

    To understand how central to the Islamic faith it is to oppose the view that God has a son, these words are inscribed in the mosque at the Dome of the Rock where the Jews formerly worshipped YHWH:
    “Far be it from God that he should have a son!”
    Thus Islam is an antichrist religion according to scripture.

    Who conquered the Roman Beast?

    Nebuchadnezzar Statue

    Nebuchadnezzar Statue

    In scripture and history we see that each Beast (kingdom) was succeeded by the next, i.e., Babylon was conquered by Persia which was conquered by Greece which was conquered by Rome. So it would be logical to think then that whoever conquered Rome could be the next Beast if we follow this pattern. However, many remain confused about who conquered Rome because they believe that the Roman Empire just fell into decline rather than being conquered by a succeeding empire. What many do not consider is that the Roman Empire had two legs, the western leg and eastern leg and this is even pictured in the statue of Daniel’s vision in Daniel 2:32-33:

    “The head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.

    While the western leg did decline over time, the eastern leg continued to exist for another thousand years. Think of Constantinople rather than Rome. So while we may view Rome as the centre of the Roman Empire, in the last period of this empire, the capital was moved to Constantinople in the east which is now modern day Istanbul in Turkey. This period of the Roman Empire is often referred to as the Byzantine Empire hence why there is some confusion as to how the Roman Empire was conquered. Rest assure however that the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire. It is called by this name to identify this phase of the Roman Empire. Historians do not consider the Eastern Roman Empire as being a different empire from the Roman Empire when its capital was Rome. The east did not conquer the west, instead the same empire just moved its capital from Rome to Constantinople. Both the Eastern Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire terminology are terms created after the end of the realm. Its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire. and themselves as Roman citizens.

    The Ottoman Empire in 1795

    The Ottoman Empire in 1795

    So who conquered the Roman (Byzantine) Empire? It was the Ottoman Empire which was actually the first Islamic Caliphate. So the seventh empire spoken of by John appears to have already been fulfilled, it was the Ottoman Empire. Known as a Caliphate, it initially took control of the region and it said to have reached empire status when it conquered the Roman capital of Constantinople. It subsequently became the capital of the Ottoman Empire and was renamed to ‘Istanbul’.

    In case you think that the Ottoman Empire was not significant enough to be compared with the other empires that make up the Beast, then know this. It reigned from 1299 to around 1924. It could be argued that the Ottoman Empire was more of a state until 1453 when it conquered Constantinople. At the height of its power, it controlled much of Southeast Europe, the Caucasus, Western Asia, and North Africa including the Horn of Africa.

    More proof for the identity of the seventh kingdom

    Revelation 17:9
    Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

    While the popular view of the Beast is a revived Roman Empire, the above scripture (Revelation 17:9) shows us that the Roman Empire was only the sixth kingdom because that was the empire that reigned when John gave the prophecy. We can clearly see that there is still a seventh kingdom to come and also an eighth which is of the seventh (or seven). We also know that each kingdom/empire was succeeded by the next and that the Ottoman Empire conquered the Roman Empire and took over its capital.

    The Ottoman Empire ruled for around 500 years over a huge swathes of land around the Mediterranean Sea. Its capital was Istanbul in Turkey which was called Constantinople during the reign of the Eastern Roman Empire. These two points are significant because Istanbul resides in modern day Turkey today and scripture itself actually tells us that Turkey is the location for the seat of the Antichrist and the Beast. It also says that the Beast arises out of the ‘Great Sea’ which is the Mediterranean Sea, we will read about this later. First take a look at Revelation 13:2:

    The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

    We can see that the Dragon (who is Satan) gave his throne to the beast. So where is Satan’s throne located? Take a look at Revelation 2:12:

    “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: ‘I know your works, and where you dwell… where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to my name, and did not deny my faith even in the days in which Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.  

    So where is Pergamum? It is in Turkey, the very same country where both the capitals of the Roman Empire and Ottoman empires were located. Is it a coincidence then that the both the late Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire had their capitals in the very same country as the location of Satan’s throne.

    Other popular views today regarding the seventh head/kingdom include: the British and or the American empires. But there is one simple verse in Daniel that rules out any other empire outside of the Mediterranean as being part of the Beast. The verse is Daniel 7:1-3

    In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.

    According to most commentary on the term ‘great sea’, it is identified as the Mediterranean Sea. In fact if you google “The Great Sea” Google also tells you that it is the Mediterranean Sea. If this is correct, then we can see that the Beast or the last four empires are indeed from the Middle East and specifically around the Mediterranean, which by reason of this excludes empires outside of this region. In fact all seven empires had extensive coastline in the Mediterranean Sea including the Egyptian Empire.

    It seems that just outside of Israel is a Beast that is ready to devour the Jews and occupy the promised land. It is not too hard to see what is happening here. God carves out a country for himself as we read in scripture, in order to demonstrate his power and existence to the Gentiles. Satan’s opposition to this is to surround the promised land with a Beast that attacks and persecute God’s own nation and is ready to devour it and all her offspring.

    The seven kingdoms

    Let’s take a look at all seven kingdoms that ruled the biblical world:

    1. Egypt – 3100 to ? (Genesis 12:10)
    2. Assyria – 2500 BC to 605 BC (Genesis 2:14)
    3. Babylon – 612 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
    4. Medo-Persia – 539 – 331 BC (Daniel 5:28)
    5. Greecia – 331 – 168 BC (Daniel 10:20)
    6. Rome – 168-476 AD / 1453 AD – inc Byzantine period (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
    7. Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today)

    Note: From Babylon onward which the Book of Daniel focuses on, we can see that each kingdom was succeeded by the next, this seems to also be true of the earlier empires.

    The Beast receives a deadly wound

    The Ottoman/Islamic Empire suffered a deadly wound in the wake of WW1 meaning it ceased to exist as an empire. This also means that the whole beast with seven heads actually died because all the previous heads of the beast existed in succession. So the beast was officially gone when the Ottoman Empire fell. Today however, it looks like we are seeing the rise of an Islamic Empire or Caliphate. This appears to align perfectly with the Beast that is to come which we read about in the Book of Revelation.

    ISIS caliphate projection

    ISIS optimistic 5 year projection of new Caliphate

    Revelation 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.,

    Further, we read in Revelation 17:11:

    The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

    This perfectly describes a rise of a future Islamic Caliphate. If the Ottoman (Islamic) Empire was the seventh and the eighth comes from the seventh (or seven), then the rise of an Islamic Caliphate in modern times could indeed be the fulfillment of these scriptures. It once was and will be again. In fact today, the caliphate has already been declared, however it is not at empire status yet. Could we be witnessing the fulfillment of the eighth king mentioned in Revelation 17:11?

    We further read in scripture that this whole Beast will be destroyed by a stone that struck the statue. That stone is the Kingdom of God and it will spread to the whole Earth. There are also a number of signs in scripture that also describe the nature of the Islamic Caliphate that we see on the rise today.

    What about a revived Roman Empire instead of an Islamic Caliphate

    But what about the view that the Roman Empire will be the empire that comes back to life. This is a popular view and one that has been taught for many years. This of course is still possible and even in the realm of this Islamic Eschatology.  Notice that the eighth king doesn’t necessarily mean it belongs to the seventh kingdom, but it could be all of the seven. Lets read that verse again:

    Revelation 17:11:
    The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

    Does this mean seventh or all seven? I don’t know.

    It could turn out that Europe is still part of this resurrected kingdom. In Daniel 2:43 we read that the feet are not just clay, but iron mixed with clay.
    You saw the iron mixed with clay–the peoples will mix with one another but will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with fired clay.

    If the legs of iron were Rome and the two legs the East and West, then the last kingdom is a mixture of that iron but with clay.

    Did you know that the word ‘mixed’ here is actually the word ‘arab‘ in Aramaic. Further, if the iron is the Roman Empire and the mixing of clay is infiltration or taking over by Arabs as we see with the Ottoman Empire’s takeover of the Roman Empire, then it could happen once again where Arabs/Muslims takeover parts of Europe and continue to hold the Middle East as they do today.

    Perhaps those who predict a revived Roman Empire’ are correct. Accept it may not be ruled by Romans/Europeans, but Muslims who are immigrating and invading Europe in hordes. The Muslim population in Europe has a much higher birth-rate of most Europeans whose countries are actually in decline. It is immigration that bolsters Europe’s population as their birth rate is low enough to be in decline. If Muslims in Europe become large enough, Europe or parts of it could become Islamic states. If this were to happen, Israel could easily find itself surrounded by enemies. Israel is of course already surrounded by enemies, but there may not be a sympathetic Europe to help protect them if the Islamic world were to invade Israel at some point. If Muslims could rule not only the Middle East but a future Europe or large swathes of it, then that would only leave only the USA as a partner for Israel. While the USA could remain a friend of Israel in years to come they may also reject Israel, or perhaps the USA itself could fall. The latter two would leave Israel on their own. Of course this is all speculation, but it is good to keep an open mind on this as there are many ways this could all play out.

    Muammar Gaddafi once said:

    We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.
    Speech (10 April 2006), quoted in New York Sun (6 September 2009)

    The Mark of the Beast

    Islam MarkWhile traditional eschatology teaches that a computer chip or bar-code of some kind will be placed on/in the hand or forehead in the last days, Muslims already wear on their forehead their mark which is, “In the name of Allah”. Remember that the mark of the beast is not just a number as it is also both a name and a mark/symbol. See Revelation 13:16-17

    “He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

    Allah in Arabic

    Allah in Arabic

    So what exactly does it mean when scripture says ‘name’? And could the creed of Islam really be the mark, the number, and the name. Scripture uses the word ‘name’ often to identify a person as you would well imagine, but scripture also uses that word to describe the essence or character of a person or thing. Just as the Old Testament says of the coming messiah that his name shall be called ‘Emmanuel’ (God is with us) he was not actually called by that name, rather its meaning or creed was used to describe the coming messiah. Likewise the creed or name of Islam is written on the foreheads of these radical Muslims. Islamic Mark 666

    The term “In the name of Allah” in Arabic resembles 666 (χξς) in Greek. It is possible that John actually saw in his vision the mark or name of Allah and it reminded him of the number 666 or he just wrote the symbol down as he saw it and translators wrote it down as 666.

    This view also could explain a puzzle. While most ancient texts say the number is 666, some say ‘616’ and nobody knows why. So what was it about this part of the text that caused some manuscripts to copy it as 616? What if John saw the Arabic for “In the name of Allah”? That could explain the confusion because he didn’t see a Hebrew number, instead he saw what looked like a number but is a name, and also a mark/symbol. “…except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

    In the future, it is not hard to imagine an Islamic leader or prophet forcing people to wear the symbol or name of Allah on their foreheads and further barring anyone not identifying their allegiance this way as being barred from buying and selling in society thereby denying basic things like food, shelter, and medicine. People would either wear this mark or reject it and face hardship even starvation. A visible wearing of this mark would identify whose side you were on. (You also have to wonder how the Futurist eschatological view of a computer chip, RFID tag, or barcode as the mark could also be a name or a symbol?)

    The abomination that causes desolation

    What about the abomination spoken of by the prophet Daniel? Well look no further than a The Dome of the Rock. This mosque sits in the holy place where the Jewish Temple stood and given that Islam denies the son of God, then it could be said that it is an antichrist temple in the place of the Jewish Temple. Further, the Hadith (a compilation of oral reports after the death of Muhammad compiled by different authors) say that the Mahdi (Islamic messiah to come) will eye Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock as his home. Perhaps one day the Mahdi will sit in this temple as Islamic prophecy teaches. That would certainly qualify as the abomination in the holy place.

    Jerusalem Temple Mount and Dome o the Rock

    Jerusalem Temple Mount and Dome of the Rock Mosque

    Who is beheading the Christians?

    Revelation 20:4
    …And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Can you imagine Italians, Romans, or the Vatican beheading Christians during the tribulation of the last days? To be fair the Vatican could have done this in the past. Today it is exclusively Muslims who are beheading Christians and others too. Beheadings and even crucifixions are being performed today by radicals of the Islamic religion. Decapitations are a recurring theme during the 1,400 years of Islamic history. The earliest biographer of Muhammad recorded the decapitation of 700 men from the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina by order of Muhammad in 768 C.E. (‘Abd al-Malik Ibn Hisham, The Life of Muhammad.) So why does Islam have a history of beheadings? You don’t have to look any further than their own so-called holy book.

    Quran 47:4
    “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.”

    Quran 8:12
    “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

    It seems that the Quran encourages the killing of non-Muslims and in particular Christians and Jews. This ties in with what the Bible says in John 16:2.

    but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. 4″But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.

    Who in the world kills Jews and Christians and by doing so think they are doing service to God? Is this not a perfect description for Radical Muslims?

    Who worships the dragon?

    If Islam is Antichrist, then can Allah be the true God? While some consider it a name which just means God (including Arabic Bibles), it has to be said that Satan is also a god according to scripture, i.e., the god of this age/world.

    2 Corinthians 4:4
    The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    So just because someone is called God or a god, that is not proof that it is the true God. So what kind of God are we talking about whose religion fits the Bible’s description of antichrist? And what is it that we see over 1 billion people doing before this God every day. In fact Islam required that Allah is worship him 5 times a day with varying bodily positions performed including laying prostrate. In Revelation 13:4 we read:

    they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

    Here we see that men will worship the dragon. Scripture reveals the dragon as Satan in the same Book of Revelation. The word satan means ‘adversary’. The word ‘worship’ has a number of associated meanings with one being ‘prostrate‘ which means ‘lying on the ground with one’s face downward’. A perfect description of those who worship Allah don’t you think? Also bear in mind that the heads of the Beast or kingdoms that have made up the Beast in history cover an area of the world that is predominantly Muslim. So the majority of the Biblical world today which is also where the Beast resides,  actually belongs to Islam. They deny outright that Jesus is the son of God which by biblical definition is how the Antichrist spirit reveals itself. They worship Allah five times a day and prostrate themselves before Allah. The question is begged, is Allah the Satan of the Bible? Well we know that the true God has a son, and Satan doesn’t have a son because he cannot pro-create or begat. So if Allah doesn’t have a son, then he cannot be the true God because the true God has a son.

    Who has declared war against the most terrible of nations?

    Ezekiel 28:7-8
    Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you, the most ruthless of the nations and they will draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom and defile your splendor. ‘They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die the death of those who are slain in the heart of the seas.

    The above verse according to this some who believe this eschatology is talking about Islam and the Mahdi/ Antichrist. It says that he will declare war against the most ruthless/terrible of nations. Who are the most ruthless of nations today? The word ‘ruthless’ is synonymous with ‘terrible’. Translations usually use one or the other word. Terrible and ruthless in other verses is talking about being ruthless in battle. See Ezekiel 30:10-11 for example:

    “I will also make the hordes of Egypt cease by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. “He and his people with him, the most ruthless of the nations, will be brought in to destroy the land; and they will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

    So who are the most powerful military powers today? Well that would have to be the USA and the West in general. And who today has declared war on the USA and the West? I can only think of one entity, ‘Islam’. And notice that it is a coalition of nations or more than one nation that defeats this enemy. This could be describing the West. If this view is correct, then we could certainly be near the end of this age as there is already a war against terror which is really Radical Islam vs the Israel and the West or the West vs Radical Islam. However, I hesitate to include this idea because it is not certain that this verse is talking about the time of the end or some other time after the prophecy was given. I continue to investigate this opinion.

    The Mahdi as the Antichrist

    The Hadith is a a compilation of oral reports after the death of Muhammad compiled by different authors over the centuries. They contain Islamic teachings and prophecies. The Mahdi prophesied in the Hadith is a person  whom Muslims await in a similar fashion as Christians await the second coming of Christ. When you compare the descriptions and prophecies of the Mahdi they coincidentally or not seems to match the descriptions and prophecies of the Antichrist of the Bible. One must wonder then if they are actually the same person.

    • Both are military leaders

    Both the Mahdi and the Antichrist are described as a powerful political military leaders.

    • Both are stout

    Both the Mahdi and Antichrist are described as being stout with unusual eyes. See Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. The Hadith says: Mahdi translates to ‘guided one’. His appearance will be the first sign of the third period. The Mahdi will be looked upon to kill Al-Dajjal and prepare for the reign of Jesus who will rule for a time after. The physical features of Mahdi are described—he will be of Arab complexion and average height with a large belly, large eyes and a sharp nose. He will have a mole on his cheek, the sign of the prophet on his shoulder. He will rule for seven years. His name will be announced from the sky. He will bring the Ark of the Covenant to light. His banner will be black and unstitched, with a halo. He will be helped by angels and others that will prepare the way for him.
    Notice that his banner will be black. This is what we see when ISIS overtakes a new territory. They raise black banners.

    • Both sign seven year treaties

    In the Hadith quoted above, you can see that the Mahdi will rule for seven years. Further, he will sign a seven year peace treaty Rasulullah [Muhammad] said: “There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans [Christians]. The fourth agreement will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadrat Haroon [Honorable Aaron – Moses’ brother] and will be upheld for seven years. (Tabarani, as related by Hadrat Abu Umamah, as quoted by Zubair Ali, p. 43 and Abduallah, p. 55) In Daniel 9:27 we read this: He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. In the Islamic world, it is acceptable to break a treaty, if you are advancing the cause of Islam. If the Dome of the Rock is the home of the Mahdi, (or even a rebuilt Jewish temple on this site) then him sitting in this temple could be the sign of the broken peace treaty which is the ‘abomination that causes desolation’ as mentioned by Daniel.

    • Both change laws and times

    Makkah Clock Royal Tower

    Makkah Clock Royal Tower

    Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Compare Daniel 7:25 with the obviously fact that Islam seeks to impose Sharia Law and the halal mark and you have a similar description. Further, there is also an increasing voice in Islam to change Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) to Mecca time. The world’s largest clock was unveiled in 2010 in Saudi Arabia. Its first official duty is marking time during Ramadan. The clock looks very similar to Big Ben (which keeps GMT) except it is six times taller making it the third tallest building in the world. The sheer size of this clock is meant to dwarf Big Ben in a symbolic move to make Islamic Time more prominent than Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).  Some have argued that GMT is the remnant of a colonial heritage, and it is time to turn over a new page. So the stage is already set for the Mahdi to move away from colonial laws and time to Islamic Sharia Law and Islamic Time.

    • Both target Christians, Jews, Israel, and Jerusalem

    Radical Islam today targets all who do not accept Sharia Law, but especially persecutes Christians and Jews. It is not hard to accept that the Mahdi would take this to a new level such as what we read about the Antichrist in the Bible. Further, one of the main missions for Radical Islam is to wipe Israel off the map. This is why Hamas and other Palestinian authorities often refuse to agree to any deal to live alongside Israel or acknowledge her existence. Matthew 24:16-21 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Daniel 7:25 “He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.”

    • Both honor a god of force/strongholds/war

    It is clear that Radical Islam uses force or war to advance Sharia Law. It is justified in the Quran as a way to get people to worship Allah and obey Sharia Law. It would be assumed then that a future Mahdi would follow suit or take this to a new level. We read in the Quran the following: Quran 2:244 “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.” Quran 4:74 “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” Also, in Quran 4:76 “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…” In the Bible, we read in Daniel 11:38-39 But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures. “He will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign god; he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will cause them to rule over the many, and will parcel out land for a price. It also says that the will not regard the God of his fathers. This could mean he is an offspring of Abraham, but an Ishmaelite, thus the God that he does regard could be Allah, not YHWH who is the God of Abraham.

    This same verse in the KJV and Webster’s Bible Translation says God of forces, while the Young’s Literal Translation says god of strongholds. I like the latter as it describes Satan’s works that Jesus came to destroy. We are told a number of times that we can bring down the enemy’s strongholds and certainly Islam is a stronghold. Further, Paul uses the word ‘fortresses/strongholds’ in 2 Corinthians 10:3-4, which he uses metaphorically to describe the spiritual battle before us: , NASB – Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses or NIV – For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

    • Both do not honor the desire of woman

    We all know about women’s rights in Islam. In Daniel 11:37 this trait is identified with the Antichrist: Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, … This verse seems to say that the Antichrist will not regard the desire of woman. While it is hard to know what that really means, taking it at face value seems to be the most accepted meaning. If that meaning is true, then it fits with the religion of Islam which has little regard for women in general.

    The False prophet

    We can see the connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the coming Islamic Mahdi, but scripture also mentions the false prophet. The Qur’an itself also prophesies the coming of the Islamic Jesus who is called “Isa Ibn Maryam”. Like the Bible, the Qu’ran says that he will return, but like all prophets in Islam, their Jesus is considered a Muslim.

    According to the Hadith, the Islamic Jesus will descend in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi, He will fight against the Dajjal who is called the Antichrist or False messiah according to Islam. The Islamic Jesus will descend east of Damascus dressed in yellow robes. He will join the Mahdi and help fight against the Dajjal. Then the Islamic Jesus will slay the Antichrist, and at this point the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) will believe in him and will become part of Islam.

    If the Antichrist of the Bible is the Madhi of Islam, then it seems logical at least that the False Prophet of the Bible is the Islamic Jesus. The idea is that if the Jews and Christians can be convinced that their Jesus is the true messiah, then they will convert to Islam. Now lets read about the False Prophet in Revelation 13:11-12

    Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed

    Notice that this second beast who is the False Prophet is likened unto a lamb. This is important because Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. So the false prophet is one who tries to mimic Jesus Christ, except he has two horns and speaks like a dragon. Further we know that the dragon is Satan, so the Lamb speaks like Satan. Satan means adversary, so this lamb will be adverse to the true Lamb of God.

    The Bible and the Quran

    It seems that  after John wrote the Book of Revelation, Satan decided to counter the prophecies by raising up a false prophet who started a religion that was the counter of what we read in the Bible. It didn’t help Christianity that it had fallen into false doctrine and idol worship around this time. It was perhaps this falling away that helped Islam take hold. With consequent centuries, the Islamic influence grew and even ruled as an empire after it conquered the Roman Empire with the conquering of Constantinople which was considered Christian. From there, it was a matter of converting all the people of the Ottoman empire to Islam. Eventually the area become predominantly Muslim and even the original seven churches in Revelation became an area dominated by Islam. This was achieved by converting people and killing those who refused Islam.

    The role of the Trinity

    In Islam’s early days it may have appealed to people who were sick of idol and saint worship as well as the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran gives a clue in 004:171 Rashad:

    O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, “Trinity.” You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.

    It seems that the Doctrine of the Trinity was one of the Christian doctrines that they opposed and even though this doesn’t make the doctrine wrong, the doctrine is in the least, completely unnecessary and has caused much harm and division for Christians.

    Even today, Christians preach the Trinity as a foundational doctrine, yet there is nothing in the Bible that says that they should preach the Trinity to anyone. Even many teachers whose eschatology is similar to this one still preach the Trinity. This is sad because it helps alienate Muslims and Jews from the gospel. It is an unnecessary stumbling block. Instead we should be preaching that Jesus is the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord. Look at Peter’s answer as to who Jesus was and look at the response from Jesus.

    Matthew 16:13-20
    When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

    Simply put, this is the truth that we should be preaching with regards to who Jesus is because this is what the Father has revealed about his identity. To truly convert Muslims or religious Jews to Jesus Christ, they need only to believe who Jesus is besides required repentance etc. Muslims already accept that Jesus is the messiah, but reject that he is the son of God. In my experience it is not as hard as you think for Muslims to be converted and accept Jesus as the son of God and as the one whom God made both Lord and Messiah, (see Acts 2:36). However, they rarely accept the Trinity Doctrine and for good reason. It is not part of the gospel, it is not part of the elementary teachings of the faith, instead it was a doctrine that came centuries after the last book in the Bible was written. It may even have been this doctrine that helped Islam gain a foothold in this part of the world in the first place. Sadly it is still preached as being a requirement by many Christians today. If we want to convert Muslims and Jews with the gospel, then do not put unnecessary stumbling blocks in their way. To learn more about the Trinity Doctrine feel free to read this page.

    That wraps up this presentation of this eschatological view and while it is quite different to more traditional views, it does explain a lot of prophecies well, where some of these other views struggle. However, it is important to remember that we would do well to consider new information and ideas that might come along in the future that could change everything. The last thing we should do as Believers in Christ is believe this or any other eschatological view wholeheartedly leaving us free to accept a future RFID chip in our bodies for example because our eschatological view does not accept a computer chip as the Mark of the Beast. Simply put, be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. Further those who hold stubbornly to certain views can cause divisions over arguments regarding differing views. Remember, we should make every effort to be at peace with our brothers.

    Facts to consider

    To sum up this eschatological view here are some facts to consider.

    1. The antichrist spirit exhibits a number of traits, one being that they deny the Father and Son.
    2. Because Islam teaches that God has no son, they clearly and openly deny that God is a Father and that he has a son.
    3. Islamic Caliphates are not only political entities, but they are also religious with their own laws and times.
    4. The Ottoman Empire was the next empire after the Roman Empire. It conquered the Roman Empire.
    5. We are told that their will be an eighth kingdom which is of the seventh or seven. See Revelation 17:11.
    6. Rome was clearly the sixth kingdom. It was the one that was in existence, when John gave the prophecy. See Revelation 17:9-10
    7. Historians do not consider the Eastern Roman Empire as a different empire from the western empire. The east did not conquer the west. The capital moved from Rome to Constantinople. That period of the kingdom is called the Byzantine period.
    8. Both the Eastern Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire terminology are historiographical terms created after the end of the realm. Its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire.
    9. Daniel sees the Beast rise out from the Great Sea. That is the name for the Mediterranean Sea in scripture, thus the kingdoms of the Beast are located around that sea.
    10. Islam gained ground partly because Christianity had fallen into idol & saint worship as well as false teachings.
    11. The Bible and Quran seem to teach the opposite of each other. It seems that one is the adversary of the other.
    12. The Book of Revelation tells us that Satan’s throne was in Turkey, the very country that the Ottoman Empire had its seat of government. It was also the seat of the Roman Empire during the Byzantine period.

    Videos

    Here are some videos containing teachings and evidence for this end-time eschatology. I do not necessarily support everything here or support the organisations behind the videos. Just food for thought.

    The Islamic Beast

    Could this be the Mark of the Beast?

    Could this be the fate of Europe?

    Islam, the Antichrist, and Mystery Babylon (Part 1)

    Islam, the Antichrist, and Mystery Babylon (Part 2)

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    Most bible commentators believe that Revelation 9:1-11 regards the Muslims (nothing to do with the Beast).

    “And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.

    Rev 9 says the “locusts” were not to destroy the grass or any green plant or tree. Which army in the world has ever said that. The Qur’an states: “When you fight the battles of the Lord destroy no palm trees, nor burn any fields of grain. Cut down no fruit tree”.

    Revelation 9 tells the “locusts” to leave those with the seal of God alone. Muslim armies were instructed by the Caliph Aboubekir, Muhammed’s successor Caliph Aboubekir instructed Muslim armies not to kill the “humble, pious Christians who lived in monasteries. To “let them alone, and neither kill them, nor destroy their monasteries.” Muslim fighters had respect for the humble, sincere Christians in earlier centuries. Apparently these were the Christians who had “the seal of God” to protect them.

    “The “five months” is understood by most commentators to mean five prophetic months. Barnes says, “From that period they ceased to be formidable to the church; their limits were gradually contracted; their power was diminished; and the Christian world, in regard to them, was substantially at peace.”

    Commentator Albert Barnes wrote: “With surprising unanimity, commentators have agreed in regarding this to the empire of the Saracens (Arab Muslims), or to the rise and the progress of the religion and the empire set up by Muhammad.” Commentator W.B. Godbey states“This chapter is a thrilling description of the rise and progress of the Mohammedan wars.” Commentator Adam Clarke states that the description of the locusts “certainly agrees better with the Saracens than with any other people or nation” and “agrees very well with the troops of Mohammed.” Commentator Matthew Henry referred to the locusts as “the armies of the Mohamedan empire.” John Wesley said, “All this agrees with the slaughter which the Saracens made for a long time after Mahomet’s (Mohammed’s) death.”

    In appearance the locusts were like horses arrayed for battle; on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, their hair like women’s hair, and their teeth like lions’ teeth; they had scales like iron breastplates, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. They have tails like scorpions, and stings, and their power of hurting men for five months lies in their tails. They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abad’don, and in Greek he is called Apol’lyon. The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come. Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” So the four angels were released, who had been held ready for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, to kill a third of mankind. The number of the troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number. And this was how I saw the horses in my vision: the riders wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulphur, and the heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and fire and smoke and sulphur issued from their mouths. By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulphur issuing from their mouths. For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; their tails are like serpents, with heads, and by means of them they wound. The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshipping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot either see or hear or walk; nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their immorality or their thefts. (Rev 9:1-21)

    “The reason God allowed this plague was to bring His people to repentance. This can be seen in the final two verses of Revelation 9: “And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk. Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.”

    Ezekial 9:1-11 (notice the numbers – Revelation 9:1-11).

    Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, “Bring near those who are appointed to execute judgment on the city, each with a weapon in his hand.” And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.
    Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple.
    Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”
    As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.
    Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city. While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, “Alas, Sovereign Lord! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?”
    He answered me, “The sin of the people of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land; the Lord does not see.’ So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done.”
    Then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought back word, saying, “I have done as you commanded.”

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     Wakeup 
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    Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

    Isaiah 14:30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill **thy root** with famine, and HE(the f,proph) shall slay thy remnant.

    Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art DISSOLVED: for there shall come from the *NORTH* a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

    Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

    Islam, and the other religions are not mentioned, because the prophesies are about babylon the great;(the world system of things);
    and the Assyrian(satan), and his man; the false prophet.
    Satan is the God of this world,not just of islam,and the others.
    God said that Palestina will be no more; not palestina as a people,but as islam. Because there are many Palestinians who are also christians.

    Come out of her my people,so you will not receive her plagues.
    HER = BABYLON THE GREAT,NOT JUST ISLAM.
    THE GREAT CITY WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD LOVE TO DWELL IN SPIRIT;
    BECAUSE THEY LOVE ALL HER DELICACIES,AND PLEASURES.

    IN ZION THE CITY OF GOD,IS PEACE AND GOD FEARING.
    ALL THAT DWELL IN HER HAVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST,IN THEM.

    wakeup.

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    This video shows the reasons for believing that Mecca is the Harlot of Revelation.

    Click here if you are viewing this post as a comment or cannot see all of the video.
    http://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-islam-mentioned-in-the-bible/#post-782737

    Alternatively, you can click the [ ] symbol at the bottom-right of the video to see it in fullscreen mode.

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     terraricca 
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    t8

    yes it could be so that she is the harlot and the whole christian religion of churches are the false prophet ,and as well the antichrist ,

    and they are all link for they sleep with each other ,and the powers of the world fighting to go in beth with with her i mean that whore

    for they all have one purpose to destroy the kingdom of God members ,

    #782742
     Wakeup 
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    The video is well put together and very colourful.

    Don’t forget we are dealing with a creature full of wiswom but very deceiving. His name was Lucifer.

    He also is the one spreading the tares amongst the wheat; not only that, he is also the one spreading all kinds of tares.(religions) all over the world.

    To find the truth of the matter is to go to THE WORD OF GOD., and no where else.

    Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
    ANGELS IN HEAVEN SINGING.

    Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
    THIS GREAT WHORE CORRUPTED THE WHOLE EARTH. SHE ALSO KILLED ALL THE PROPHETS OF ISRAEL. HOW IS THIS?
    THOSE JEWS WORSHIPPED ALL THE LEISURES SHE COULD OFFER; THIS INCLUDES JEALOUSY GREED SELFISHNESS, THE MATERIAL.
    HATE. JESUS WAS KILLED BECAUSE OF JEALOUSY OF THE HEAD SCRIBES.

    Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
    THOSE PROPHETS WERE NOT KILLED BY ARABS,BUT BY JEWS.

    Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

    Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
    SPEAKING TO GOD’S SEVANTS AND WHO FEARED GOD.

    Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
    MULTITUDE OF ANGELS.

    Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
    HIS BRIDE IS READY,THE KINGDOM WILL BE SET UP,AND TRUE TEACHINGS WILL COMMENCE SOON. TRUE UNDERSTANDING IS HIS BRIDE.
    THE PERSONS ARE HIS CHILDREN,THEY WILL BE INVITED TO THE WEDDING.

    Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. TRUE TEACHINGS UNCORRUPTED.CLEAR AS CRYSTAL.

    Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. HIS CHILDREN WILL BE INVITED INTO THE KINGDOM,AND SHARE THE UNIFICATION
    OF GROOM HIS BRIDE.

    Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
    ANGELS ARE OUR HOLY BRETHREN.

    Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.
    THE WORD OF GOD.

    Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but He himself.
    THE WORD OF GOD.

    Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD.

    Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    LED BY MICHA’EL, THE PRINCE OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

    Revelation 19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the NATIONS: and he SHALL rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    REV,14:19.20. THIS WILL BE IN THE VALEY OF JEHOSAPHAT(HINOM). NOT SOME OTHER PLACE IN THE DESERT.

    Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

    Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    THE INVITE TO THE FLESH EATING BIRDS.

    Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    THE FLESH OF ALL THE DEAD IN THE VALLEY OF HINOM(JEHOSAPHAT).

    Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    THIS WAR IS AGAINST THE LAMB,AND HIS ANGELS. NOT MAN AGAINS MAN.

    Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    THE FALSE PROPHET IS MENTIONED IN 2THESS 2.THE SON OF PERDITION.

    1 John 2:19 ***THEY WENT OUT FROM US***, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt
    ***HAVE CONTINUED WITH US***: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
    ALL THAT HAPPENNING IN ISRAEL,NOT SOME DESERT.

    Shalom .
    wakeup.

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    CONTINUE.

    Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

    Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
    BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN.

    Revelation 18:3 For ALL NATIONS have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
    THE MERCHANTS OF THE EARTH WAXED RICH OF HER DELICACIES. ALL HER GOODS. THIS INCLUDES ALL MATERIAL WORSHIPPERS.
    INSTEAD OF WORSHIPPING THE CREATOR THEY WORSHIP THINGS MADE BY MANS HANDS.

    Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    COME OUT; DONT PARTAKE OF HER SINS; COME OUT OF THE CITY OF THE WORLD; AND COME INTO THE CITY OF GOD. ZION.
    WHERE THERE IS PEACE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS,AND THE GOD FEARING, WHERE MANY ANGELS DWELL.

    Revelation 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    HER SINS HAS PILED UP TO HEAVEN,READY TO BE CAST DOWN TO EARTH.

    Revelation 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    SHE WILL GET DOUBLE REVENGE.

    Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
    SHE HAS BEEN WORSHIPPED THROUGH OUT THE AGES,ALL MEN ARE AFTER HER GOODS,AND LEISURE.

    Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
    PHYSICAL BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED IN ONE DAY,AND SHE CAN NOT PROVIDE HER GOODS ANYMORE.

    Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
    THE KINGS OF THE EARTH HAVE LOST EVERYTHING THEY HAVE WORKED FOR.

    Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
    THE WATCH THE SMOKE OF THE PHYSICAL CITY. THE WORLD. ALL INDUSTRY AND TRADE HAS GONE UP IN SMOKE.

    Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
    NO MORE TRADE AND COMMERCE.

    Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
    NOT ONLY OIL,BUT ALL KINDS OF MERCHANDISE.

    Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
    ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN BUY.

    Revelation 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
    EVERYTHING HAS STOPPED DEAD,NO MORE HOLIDAY TRIPS, NO MORE DRINKING AND PARTYING.

    Revelation 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
    THE MERCHANTS THAT HAVE GONE RICH ARE BADLY HURT.ALL HAVE GONE IN SMOKE.

    Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
    THEY WERE ALL HAPPY IN THAT GREAT CITY,THEY HAVE LIVED DELICIOUSLY,AND ALL HAS GONE IN SMOKE,IN ONE DAY.

    Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
    SHIP MASTERS AND COMPANIES AND EMPLOYEES ARE MOURNING OF THE GREAT LOSS.

    Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
    THEY CRY SAYING; THERE IS NO CITY LIKE THAT CITY, AND ALL IS NOW IN SMOKE.

    Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    STILL CRYING. ALL THE LUXURIES HAVE GONE IN ONE HOUR.

    Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
    WE SHOULD REJOICE,BECAUSE SHE HAD FED THE RICH AND FAMOUS,AND HAVE MADE US THEIR SLAVES.
    SHE HAD OPPRESSED THE POOR, AND THE NEEDY.(BLESSED ARE THE POOR).

    Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    GREAT BAYLON SHALL BE NO MORE. NEXT WILL BE THE KINGDOM,A FAIR AND RIGHTEOUS SYSTEM.

    Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
    ALL FUN HAS GONE,ALL MANUFACTURINGS HAS GONE, THE SOUND IS NOT THERE ANYMORE.

    Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
    ELECTRICITY IS NO MORE,WEDDINGS IS NO MORE. THE MERCHANTS HAVE DECEIVED THE NATION WITH HER GOODS.
    THEY HAVE MADE THEMSELVES RICH, TEMPTING THE PEOPLE TO BUY THEIR GOODS.LENDING OUT EASY MONEY, TO CATCH THEM.
    THEN TURN THEM INTO THEIR SLAVES.

    Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
    SHE CAUSED ALL THE WARS,AND HAVE KILLED ALL THE SAINTS FOR GREED, FOR JEALOUSY, AND FOR WANT, FOR POWER, YOU NAME IT.
    SHE IS SATAN’S WOMAN. SHE BROUGHT FORTH HER WICKED CHILDREN,FULL OF GREED,AND ENVY, AND GOD HATERS.
    SATAN HAS SEND HIS MINISTERS TO SCATTER THE SHEEP TO DIVIDE,AND BLOCK THE WAYTO THE TRUTH,FOR MONEY,AND LUXURIES.

    Shalom.
    wakeup.

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    Some of the bigger points that are the most convincing for this eschatology for me include:

    • Each beast succeeded the next. The Ottoman Empire is the empire that succeeded Rome. Then the whole Beast died, and now looks to be coming to life again.
    • Adherents to this radical religion behead and sometimes crucify their victims.
    • Bible prophecy is usually Middle East centric. In the West we think it is talking about us.
    • The Antichrist is said to rise out of the North Kingdom. That places his origin in Iran/Iraq/Syria/Turkey where the current revolution is taking place.
    • There is a good explanation for 666, the number, name, and mark/symbol.
    • The Arabian peninsula is mentioned by place names in scripture
    • Mecca is in a desert. It buys gold, silver, fabrics, incense, slaves, etc. Other cities do not really trade these commodities as described in Revelation.
    • Islam is a natural enemy of the Jews and Christians
    • There are 1.6 billion people bowing down to Allah multiple times per day. That is nearly one-quarter of the world’s population. There is some evidence that traces Islam back to Baal.
    • The Quran and Hadith prophecy events that match bible prophecy have to do with the antichrist. One book hails him, the other condemns him.
    • Denying the Father and son is of the spirit of Antichrist. God has no son is a tenet of Islam. What was once Christian areas in the Middle East are now occupied by religious people who deny the son.
    • The Abomination of Desolation is when the AntiChrist is seated in Jerusalem in the Holy Place. The Dome of the Rock is there, and the Hadith prophecies that the Mahdi will rule from the Dome of the Rock. So we have a mosque in the Holy Place with the Antichrist seated there. When that happens, people should leave. Do not go into your house and get your jacket. You don’t have time.
    • Written in the Dome of the Rock is “Allah has no son” or similar wording, which is antichrist wording.
    • God has personally shown me a future world filled with terrorism as being significant of the end. He even showed me an army dressed in black attacking the West the day before 911. He showed me such things after I asked for clues as to when the end would be. So I have a personal witness to such signs.

    Israel needs to be wary of signing any kind of peace treaty with Turkey that is for sure.

    Overall the points here are probably more convincing to me than any other theory out there. However, Satan is a great deceiver. So he may line up multiple candidates just to confuse people. I will keep watching to see what unfolds. I refuse to stubbornly subscribe to any one theory. I will watch the signs and take appropriate action based on that.

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    Wakeup, much of your objections can be answered with one thing.

    Babylon is the mother of false religions. Adherents to false religions kill those who follow the true religion. Babylon was in Iraq, but either way you view it, it moved to either Rome, New York, Mecca, or other location.

     

    #782761
     Wakeup 
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    t8.

    This is true, false religion, and satan has spread it through out all the earth, hoping that no one can find the true God.

    And he makes anything to be worshipped by man to suit the spirit of the flesh.

    Even money is worshipped by the spirit of the flesh. But not by the spirit of Christ.

    Daniel 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
    KING OF THE NORTH WILL COME TO THE SOUTH.

    Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
    THE SHIPS OF CHITTIM SHALL COME AGAINST THE KING OF THE NORTH (RUSSIA?)
    HAVE INTELLIGENCE(POLICY) WITH THEM THAT FORSAKE THE HOLY COVENANT(ISREAL).

    Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
    SHALL POLLUTE THE SANCTUARY OF STRENGHT.
    SHALL TAKE AWAY THE DAILY SACRIFICE.(STILL KING OF NORTH).

    Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
    WICKEDLY AGAINST THE COVENANT.
    CORRUPT BY FLATTERIES.(STILL THE KING OF THE NORTH).

    Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
    THEY THAT UNDERSTAND SHALL INSTRUCT MANY.

    Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
    MANY SHALL CLEAVE TO THEM WITH FLATTERIES.(MANY CHRISTIANS SIDING WITH THE ENEMY)

    Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
    SOME OF THEM OF UNDERSTANDING SHALL FALL TO MAKE THEM WHITE EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END.
    WHAT ABOUT THEM OF NO UNDERSTANDING?

    Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
    THE KING SHALL DO ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.(ONE KING).(OF NORTH).
    THE KING SHALL MAGNIFY HIMSELF ABOVE EVERY GOD.EVEN ABOVE ALLAH.

    Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
    HE SHALL NOT REGARD THE GOD HIS FATHERS. (NO ALLAH,NOR ANY GOD).(NO ALLAH AKBAR,GOD IS GREAT).
    NO DESIRE OF WOMEN(NO DESIRE OF ANY RELIGION).NOT EVEN ISLAM.

    Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
    HIS DESIRE IS POWER AND MAMMON.(WEALTH).

    Daniel 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
    RULE OVER MANY. DIVIDE THE LAND FOR PROFIT.

    Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
    THE KING OF THE NORTH SHALL ENTER TO THE SOUTH AND ENTER COUNTRIES AND SHALL OVERFLOW.

    Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    HE SHALL ENTER ISRAEL.

    Daniel 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    HE SHALL ENTER EGYPT.

    Daniel 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    HIS GOD IS MAMMON.(WEALTH). HE DOES NOT PRAY 5X A DAY.

    Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
    BAD NEWS;TIDINGS OF THE EAST(THE MEDES) THE NORTH (RUSSIA).

    Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
    THE KING OF THE NORTH SHAL PLANT(SET UP) HIS TABERNACLE(TEMPLE) BETWEEN THE SEAS IN THE GLORIOUS MOUNTAIN(MT ZION)
    BETWEEN THE SEAS,(THE GREAT SEA, AND THE DEAD SEA).
    ALL THE WAY IT IS THE KING OF THE NORTH.(a smoke shall come from the north).

    Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. (WHOLE PALESTINA; ISLAM).(HAMAS),AND THE REST.

    wakeup.

    #782772
     Wakeup 
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    Many seems to be attracted to Walid’s eschathology.
    I say watch carefully and keep your eyes on the written prophesies.
    He sounds very convincing by looking from the surface.
    I can see the holes in his teachings.

    Is it not possible that he is working for the west?
    What he preach, the west will make it happen; such as isis. Think deeper.
    We are in very evil times.

    He says that the lion with wings is the kingdom of Babylon. Error.
    Because, the vision was just before Belshazzar was taken by the Medes.

    Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
    Remember the writings on the wall.

    Daniel 5:30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.

    Daniel 5:31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

    He says that the antichrist(I say false prophet will be from the east). Error.
    Because, scripture says he is the king of the north.
    Islam worship allah, and islam is a religion.(women).
    The king of the north (false prophet) disregards any god even the god of his fathers.
    He disregard any women, any religions. His god is power and wealth.

    Walid says that the dome will be his place of worship (but he worships not any god)?
    Scripture says that the temple will be destroyed after 3/half years.
    And power was given him 3/half years.(a new empire can not be build in 3/half years).??
    And the abomination of desolation WILL be set up between the seas in the last 3/half years.Dan11.
    Jesus said; when you see the abomination of desolation set up; then look up, for your redemption is near.??
    Well the dome is standing there for centuries.??

    Walid says that islam will come up and become the 8th empire.
    Scripture says that the 7th beast is of iron and clay, both left and right feet.
    The 8th beast will come out of the bottomless pit and is of the 7th.
    This means that the beast (7th empire) is in existence today, and will morph into the 8th.
    The 7th will not start from scratch, then morph into the 8th.There is no islam empire today,to morph.

    Walid says; the ottoman empire will come up again into the 8th beast. Was the ottoman empire the 7th beast?
    Understand the word morph. We have an empire today; the british empire, we can not disregard.
    It is this empire that will morph into the 8th.
    Walid says Mecca is babylon the great, scripture says the world is. rev 18. All industries will be destroyed

    Walid mentions 7 hills; scripture says 7 mountains.??
    The 6th was Rome. The 7th end time Rome; not ottoman.
    End time Rome is here and will morph; not be rebuild from scratch.
    Because it will only be given a short time. 3/half years.
    I can go on and on. Walid’s eschatology has more holes than a sieve.
    He could be working for the west, to put us christians off track. Watch carefully.

    The mark of the beast will be to buy or sell, and to have a job, and a bank account.
    No one can have a bank account just by wearing a piece of cloth.
    They will hire mercenary soldiers to kill Christians, and anyone against the new system.
    They are like the old SS all in black. All well planned. We are dealing with very evil people.

    Shalom.
    wakeup.

    #782781
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    Wakeup, that was a very good post. I wouldn’t agree with every little detail, but informative.

    #782794
     Wakeup 
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    Camillia.

    Thank you.can you state the ones that you can not agree with?
    Perhaps I could clarify them.

    wakeup.

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    I could argue many things against your rebuttals, but it would take a long time to do so. Do not think that no response is equal to not having points against your views and rebuttals.

    Will do a couple now, and honestly, I haven’t cherry picked them. I randomly chose them.

    Walid says that islam will come up and become the 8th empire.
    Scripture says that the 7th beast is of iron and clay, both left and right feet.
    The 8th beast will come out of the bottomless pit and is of the 7th.
    This means that the beast (7th empire) is in existence today, and will morph into the 8th.
    The 7th will not start from scratch, then morph into the 8th.There is no islam empire today,to morph.

    This view says that the seven heads of the beast are the seven succeeding empires that have ruled this part of the world in succession. In other words the beast has lived all the time from Egypt right up to the death of the Ottoman Empire in 1931 I think. However, we know that the beast receives a deadly wound and the beast did die. The British Empire took control of the region. However, there is a strong effort today to raise up the caliphate. It is happening before our eyes. The kings of the East have already fallen and what is taking its place is quite frightening. This caliphate is of the seven and is the eighth.

    Walid says; the ottoman empire will come up again into the 8th beast. Was the ottoman empire the 7th beast?
    Understand the word morph. We have an empire today; the british empire, we can not disregard.
    It is this empire that will morph into the 8th.
    Walid says Mecca is babylon the great, scripture says the world is. rev 18. All industries will be destroyed

    Yes this view says the Ottoman Empire was the seventh. Yes the British Empire was an empire, but it was not a Middle East empire. There have been many empires that are not part of the Beast. Mongol Empire, Aztec Empire, Empire of China, etc. Rev 18 doesn’t say all industry will be destroyed.

    Also, you know that when Jesus comes, to some, he will come as a thief in the night. Yet if your view were correct, who would be marrying, drinking, can carrying on as usual, when the Lord returns when all hell breaks on a planet wide scale. The world would be in so much chaos that all 10 virgins would know it was the time of the end because it would be obvious. So I am thinking it is not going to play out the way you say. If Islam is the seventh and eighth kings of this Beast and people instead await your view or similar mainstream view of the end times. then in that scenario they would miss the significance of what season they are in. Hence they will be marrying, drinking, etc, and living life as though he were not returning when in fact it was the very hour he returned.

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    BTW, Walid may well be wrong on some points. That is not the issue. The issue is whether the view is completely on the wrong or right track. You can take any view of the end-times including what will turn out to be the correct view, and it surely wouldn’t be hard to point out errors in teachers of that view. All men make mistakes and even say the wrong words when they meant to say something else.

    The last video above is not from Walid, so maybe watch that instead so we can debate this eschatology rather than this man.

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