The religious spirit

 

The religious spirit seeks to replace the Holy Spirit as the source of spiritual life. This is every Christian’s battle! When we are truly joined to Christ, unstoppable living waters flow out of our innermost beings. The more that we can get free of the religious spirit, the purer and clearer these waters will be.

— Rick Joyner

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.

     

    religion offers regulation, formulas, striving and self effort.

    It is based on fear of failure and doubt.

     

    Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.

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    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
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    The problem with sayings like this and “Jesus is not religion but a relationship” is if you don’t agree with something these same people say then you don’t and  can’t have a “relationship”with the”real” Christ or God,but you only have religion.But to have any articles of religious faith is religion,even if one detests that word.

    But i do in my own sense understand what he’s saying which is why I’m not too dogmatic on anything anymore.

    And I was involved in the charismatic movement for many years and I certainly don’t think Rick Joyner’s”waters” are too clear,many consider him a charlatan and false prophet and I agree.The guy is full of himself imo.But this sounds like something he’d say to prepare his gullible readers for his visions and prophetical mumbo jumbo.

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    Profile photo of bodhitharta bodhitharta 
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    To separate God from religion is simply UNGODLY, Religion is THE WAY you live plain and simple.

    James 1:27
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

    This is new age spiritism when a person tries to make religion an ugly word.

    And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.

    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)

    Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #125)

    Religion is how you live spiritually

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi BD,

    Religious people live under the delusion that God loves their attempts at impressing Him with their piety.

     

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    Profile photo of bodhitharta bodhitharta 
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    God does love when a human being actually lives a certain way because he was created to live a certain way, you don’t want to impress God, you don’t want God to be pleased with you?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi BD,

    You have high hopes but no rationale behind it.

    God sent His Son and you rejected him

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    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
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    “To separate God from religion is simply UNGODLY, Religion is THE WAY you live plain and simple.”

    Exactly Bod,and those who use these deceitful semantics  are usually the most self righteous who think they are the only ones who really know God.

    And just what are religious spirits? are they not religious ideas? but they use such terms in order to convert one to their own religious ideology.

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    I believe Joyner is using the word religious to mean ritualized but it sounds more like those who condemn all religions that merely those are more into worshiping God with their outer self while their inner self declares there is no God.

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    Religion is an outward expression of the faith inside. Of course religion can become corrupt in its scope, becoming more of culture than an expression of faith, but that should not discount all religious activity as useless. We only need to look at baptism, or taking of the body and blood of Christ. Is the submersion in water mean you are reborn? No, there are many who are baptized who do not know Christ. Yet, how many of us would then say that baptism is useless? It’s required as a testament of your faith as Christ said, “Unless one is born of the water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.” And as for the Lord’s supper we are commanded to eat it in remembrance of Christ, yet we are also told that we must eat the body of Christ and drink his blood to have eternal life. So, likewise, the supper in itself is nothing, yet is made into something when the outward expression (religion) is combined with the faith in the inward parts. These are both religious activities, yet many Christians who say religion is evil probably do these things which is very hypocritical. Correct religion has never been the problem… it is the people doing the religion.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi A,

    Yes satan has used men to substitute false for real at every level.

    Rituals are empty magic for many

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    Profile photo of bodhitharta bodhitharta 
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    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    You have high hopes but no rationale behind it.

    God sent His Son and you rejected him

    God sent Jesus Christ and I accept him and if you understood the truth of the matter, you would stop having a misunderstanding and promoting false accusations against me. You want me to accept a term not the person of Christ and that is a common problem with some people, you want to hear “God” instead of Allah and some want to hear Jehovah instead of God still some want to write YHVH and others think they have the inside scoop when they say Yeshua or Yashua but all these things don’t make you a true believer.

    Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.

    Everyday I am telling you Muslims Honor and Love Jesus Christ and every day you Judge by terminology and not truth

    1 Samuel 24:15 May the LORD act as judge, and may he decide between me and you. May he see, may he plead my case, and may he vindicate me in this dispute against you.”

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi BD,

    If your HONOR of Jesus Christ is typical then your faith is not our faith.

    Those that love him obey his teachings.

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    And I was involved in the charismatic movement for many years and I certainly don’t think Rick Joyner’s”waters” are too clear,many consider him a charlatan and false prophet and I agree.The guy is full of himself imo.But this sounds like something he’d say to prepare his gullible readers for his visions and prophetical mumbo jumbo.

    @AndrewAD

    False prophets utters false prophecies. I am curious as to what false prophecies he has made. I don’t know that much about the guy, as you seem to judging by your post.

    Please list some false prophecies that he has made.

    🙂

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    BD, Nick is talking about Jesus as the son of God. We know that the Koran says that God has no son. Thus that book denies the Father and the Son. In biblical terms the spirit behind those that deny the Father and Son is Antichrist.

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    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
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    @t8

    I don’t know that much about the guy either and honestly don’t care to.I was involved in the KC Metro Vineyard before he came along.I have read a few of his articles in Charisma magazine and heard him a bit on tv years ago. And also read some stuff online about his books.Perhaps he’s not a false prophet.If one chooses to believe him maybe that is what makes him true.

    I read he was knighted by the Knights of Malta under the Masonic Order of the Roman Catholic Church, so maybe he’s legit? if that is even true of course:)

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