The Flat Earth Experience

An eternal circle’s circumference is a straight line. So a really big circle looks like a straight line too. While the Earth looks flat from our perspective, it is written that knowledge shall increase and we now know that the universe God created displays his eternal nature and is held together and works because of his laws. Read more

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     mikeboll64 
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    Genesis 1…

    6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so…

    14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    I’m glad to see you are back. Yes, the flat-earth stuff is compelling.
    But how do they account for blood moons?

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     Ed J 
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    Can I yell at you now that you are not a moderator?

    …Just kidding

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     Admin 
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    Hi Mike. Good to hear from you again.

    A tip. When you attach an image, it should be then possible to add the image later to your post using the Add Media button.
    You just attach the image, publish, then edit the post and use the Add Media button.

    The forum by default stops users from posting images I guess because it is too open for abuse, but it is frustrating and I was not able to disable this or enable image posting. But I found this code that allows attachments. Then I noticed that once you attach an image, it is in the site’s media area and becomes available to you to add it into the actual post when you edit the post.

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     t8 
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    Posting Mike’s attached images.

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     t8 
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    Hi Mike. My post is going to start 2 steps back and ask some bigger questions before getting into the details of each theory.

    I have actually watched a couple of Flat Earth videos and have read the memes you posted to let you know that I am listening.

    First off, why can’t the current understanding fit with these descriptions found in the Bible and if today’s view is wrong, why the conspiracy anyway? The current view gives God more credit because it is way more amazing. Many of the men that helped us come to the current view were Christians who were persecuted by ungodly institutions.

    Spreading out the sky sounds a lot like an expanding universe for example. The firmament above could be the atmosphere which is partially transparent to us, but we only view a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Beyond that is space which scientists believe is an actual substance like water because space has weight, thus it looking like glass which is transparent.

    There are so many ways you can view the Universe because if it is true that we are all moving, then things look different from where you are looking. Only God sees it as it is. Why can’t the galaxies for example be the heavens, each galaxy a heaven. There are so many possibilities. Could each star be a stargate? God creates a world and when that world is advanced enough, they figure out their sun is a gate to other suns and they can explore their galaxy. Then when they are advanced enough, they find out that the black hole in the centre of each galaxy is also a portal to another galaxy. Or could it be that only massless creations (spirits) can travel to these?

    I diverge. But here’s the thing. Your brain is in complete darkness inside your skull and yet you see light. Your sensory organs take in waves from the spectrum and convert them to electromagnetic waves into your brain and it is your brain that creates the picture of reality that you see. It is so subjective. When you see the person next to you, that picture of that person is inside your head. So what is the Universe really?

    Well think of a whole bunch of waves. Think of signals. The picture you see on that old TV is not actually real. What is real is the signals it receives. The conversion is done in the box. Same with reality. Physicists today admit that the only theory that makes sense of the universe and quantum world is if the universe is digital. In other words, if there are pixels in the real world and nothing smaller than that. If so, and with the result of quantum experiments, the best explanations is these pixels are generated and compiled by consciousness. It could turn out that the universe is consciousness, and what we see is the object reality of that. The question is, did the universe create consciousness or consciousness the universe. We know the latter.

    Now to my point. If the world is flat and hell underneath and a dome above, that is absolutely true. That is how we see it. If we create telescopes and microscopes, and see that the earth is sphere, and the qubits as pixels, then that too is real. Not contradictory at all. Just a different perception now. We know that nothing can travel faster than light that has mass. So what does it look like to massless life forms? No time? Heavenly? More light? All the spectrum visible and not just the tiny part we perceive.

    So to conclude. My view is the universe has many different ways it can be viewed and they are all subjective. Perhaps there is an angel sitting in my room even though I cannot detect it. Thus, the sun sets and yet it is the earth going round the sun and the sun round the galaxy and galaxy round the universe. All very fickle because that which you call reality is compiled in your brain like a camera compiles light into a photo. Does it really look like that without an observer? Do signals look like the final picture your brain compiles. I tell you something, the famous Double Slit experiment makes you ask these things. Perhaps I can post that here without diverging from the subject too much?

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     t8 
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    Hi Mike.

    You may have seen this. I post this because the argument is that the earth is the centre while science says the sun is. But even that idea is subjective because the sun supposedly flies  through space. If we add more information the perspective changes. But in all, I think they are all correct as models depending on what data you include. If you are travelling at a different speed then things look different again.

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     t8 
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    Okay. Here is one of the more popular rebuttals against a flat earth. This popped up on my Facebook wall and while it is meant as humour, it does explain the rebuttal well. So why is it that we have round stars/suns and wandering stars/planets are also round. But not the Earth. I suppose the argument is that it is the centre so it is unique.

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     miia 
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    Testing attachment

     

     

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     mikeboll64 
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    Hi Mike,

    I’m glad to see you are back. Yes, the flat-earth stuff is compelling.
    But how do they account for blood moons?

    _____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    I don’t know how to quote a post here, but thanks for the welcome back, Ed. BTW, me being a mod way back when never stopped you from yelling at me.  🙂

     

    I don’t know why the moon is occasionally red, but I know it can’t be the story we’ve been told.  Space.com says,

    “During a full eclipse, however, something spectacular happens. The moon is fully in Earth’s shadow. At the same time, a little bit of light from Earth’s sunrises and sunsets (on the disk of the planet) falls on the surface of the moon. Because the light waves are stretched out, they look red. When this red light strikes the moon’s surface, it also appears red.”

    Interesting phrase, “disk of the planet”.  🙂   But the point is that a lunar eclipse is supposed to be when the earth is between the sun and the moon, and makes a shadow on the moon.  I’ve attached a little GIF of this last blood moon Jan 31, 2018 that I took myself.  (Sorry for the quality, it was taken from my phone.)  Anyway, the sun is about to rise behind me as I filmed.  So if the earth blocking the sun is what is causing the shadow on the moon, the moon should should be bright on top, and shadowed on the bottom, right?  The sun cannot be shining through the earth and lighting up the bottom of the moon, while at the same time the earth is causing a shadow on the top, right?  Or am I tripping?

    Here’s a better example than my poor quality GIF.  Just watch from 2:45-3:30…

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     mikeboll64 
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    Oops, it says my 3 second GIF exceeds the max file size.  So here’s my own photo of the same thing…

     

     

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     mikeboll64 
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    Hmm…  even my snapshot is too big to upload.  I could resize it to 512kb, but it already looks crappy at 1.27mb.  🙂  I guess you’ll have to take my word for it for now.  But you can look online and see all kinds of photos of the Jan 31st blood moon, and you’ll see what I mean.

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     mikeboll64 
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    t8, I’ll try to hit you up tomorrow morning.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Mikeboll64. ….when pictures taken from space of earth it shows as round, not flat, so how do does the flat theory account for that? I do think we are moving in a vortex , the earth has three movements going on at one time, it spins on its axes at 24000 mph, it rotates around the sun at about 67,000 mph, and also moving through the galaxy at i don’t know how many mph.

    But Mike we can view these plants and the are round in shape right?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Mike,

    Welcome back.

    It depends on definitions.

     

    Do you know of the biblical definitions of

    FOUNDATIONS, PILLARS, CHANNELS, CORNERS, THE DEEP, FIRMAMENT etc?

    Without forming such a foundation we are not able to build anything.

     

    Belief is amazing. I realise that a zealot is unable to be unconvinced by men.

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