The Deception of Constantine

Constantine

Many credit Emperor Constantine for the spread of Christianity. While the Roman Empire once heavily persecuted the Church, Constantine legalised the Christian faith and even endorsed it to the point of it becoming the official religion of the empire. Should we thank Constantine or did something more sinister take place?

It seems that a growing number of people are coming to the conclusion that what Constantine actually did was hijack the Christian faith and changed it into a faith that merged his pagan roots. Doctrines like the Trinity and holy days like Sunday and December the 25th certainly point to this and form the basis of the Roman Catholic Church to this day. The following video explores the idea that Constantine was a pagan king who wanted to control Christians which by this stage existed in all four corners of the empire.

This topic contains 37 replies, has 12 voices, and was last updated by  t8 9 months, 3 weeks ago.

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  • #27198
     epistemaniac 
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    Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Sep. 02 2006,00:23)
    This Emperor of Rome used christianity as a tool to strengthen his Empire. As christianity was spreading throughout his kingdom, Constantine was finding it more difficult to oppose christianity. And with the constant attacks to the empire, it was as if Rome was fighting two fronts. It became increasingly difficult to contend with the growing christian problem and also constantly having to fend off opposing armies. For the enemies of Rome seen how weak the Roman Empire had become because of christianity and they continually tried to topple Rome and almost succeeded.

    Constantine claimed he had a vision from God and because of this vision, he put a symbol on his shields and it was believed this led them to victory. They were grossly outnumbered and many believed the victory a miracle.

    With this impressive victory, Constantine claimed he believed in the God of the christians and he sought to stop persecution of the christians. He then perpetuated ways that instituted the church into matters of the state. And the state into the church. This is how the Holy Roman Empire got her start. The ideals of the Roman Empire infiltrated that of the church and has been waiting for her time in these end of days.


    interestingly Constantine's son sided with the Arians and exiled Athanansius for his beliefs in the Trinity…. eventually the northern Germanic tribes, also Arians, sacked Rome and persecuted trinitarians until they eventually became trinitarians themselves….. “Constantius was pro-Arian in his leanings and took an active part in the affairs of the Christian church — convening one council at Rimini and its twin at Seleuca, which met in 359 and 360.” (Wikpedia)

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi E,
    Are you happy that the world political system controlled the development of the work of the church? Is this not spiritual adultery according to scripture?

    #27246
     heiscomingintheclouds 
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    The trinity doctrine is just one of the many things that was changed by the catholic church that corrupted the faith. It's effects are felt to this day and will continue until destroyed by Christ is the battle of Armageddon. Yet, the beast will destroy the whore, and if that means doing away with religion completely or the way of the catholic church for the beast religion, I do not know for sure.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    The roman oppressor who initiated the trinity doctrine formulation to bring unity to his realm is dead and we should no longer be frightened to think for ourselves comparing scripture with scripture to find the truth as Jesus would have us do.

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     t8 
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    Yes many over the centuries have paid with their lives, but even if we are to pay with our life, then we should do it rather than deny our Lord. If we are already crucified with Christ, then we cannot be truly killed.

    We have nothing to fear. God is perfect love.

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    Yes and he was the one who enforced the change of the Sabbath day to keeping the pagan day of the Sun with his buddy the POPE!

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     Morning Star 
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    Quote (kenrch @ Feb. 23 2007,14:12)
    Yes and he was the one who enforced the change of the Sabbath day to keeping the pagan day of the Sun with his buddy the POPE!


    The christians since polycarp and clement 60-95 AD didnt keep the sabbath either. Everyday is sabbath day because we enter the rest of Christ. Heb. 4

    Yes their were those who did keep the sabbath but do you know what all else they believed?

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    Quote (Morning Star @ Feb. 23 2007,14:38)

    Quote (kenrch @ Feb. 23 2007,14:12)
    Yes and he was the one who enforced the change of the Sabbath day to keeping the pagan day of the Sun with his buddy the POPE!


    The christians since polycarp and clement 60-95 AD didnt keep the sabbath either.  Everyday is sabbath day because we enter the rest of Christ.  Heb. 4

    Yes their were those who did keep the sabbath but do you know what all else they believed?


    Ok please explain Matt. 5:17-19 and Luke 24:44. Who was it that said that many antichrist have come into the world. Don't you think Satan was working in the first century.

    Is it alright to commit adultery? OVER and OVER! If you keep any of the Ten commandments then you should keep them all. You can't choose which one's you WANT to keep and forget the one's you don't.

    If you kept the Sabbath day and commited murder it wouldn't be any different. I would be telling you “thou shalt not murder” so why is the Sabbath different?

    Why? Because the Sabbath says that you believe that God is creator and God. You rest the same day He rested and commandmented.

    What do you do with scriptures that say the church keeps the Commandments of God? I like this one because it shows that the church will be keeping the commandments of God in the end times.

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:

    What commandments is Jesus speaking of ? Revelation is of Jesus, right? This is the same Jesus who said “IF you love me Keep MY Commandments”.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.

    Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
    Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;
    Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
    Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience,
    Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.
    Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

    Which day did Joshua speak of ? Sunday? “He AGAIN defines a *certain day* To-day (not today) if you hear His voice..”

    whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience

    *Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God*.

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    Quote (Morning Star @ Feb. 23 2007,14:38)

    Quote (kenrch @ Feb. 23 2007,14:12)
    Yes and he was the one who enforced the change of the Sabbath day to keeping the pagan day of the Sun with his buddy the POPE!


    The christians since polycarp and clement 60-95 AD didnt keep the sabbath either.  Everyday is sabbath day because we enter the rest of Christ.  Heb. 4

    Yes their were those who did keep the sabbath but do you know what all else they believed?


    Ok please explain Matt. 5:17-19 and Luke 24:44. Who was it that said that many antichrist have come into the world. Don't you think Satan was working in the first century.

    Is it alright to commit adultery? OVER and OVER! If you keep any of the Ten commandments then you should keep them all. You can't choose which one's you WANT to keep and forget the one's you don't.

    If you kept the Sabbath day and commited murder it wouldn't be any different. I would be telling you “thou shalt not murder” so why is the Sabbath different?

    Why? Because the Sabbath says that you believe that God is creator and God. You rest the same day He rested and commandmented.

    What do you do with scriptures that say the church keeps the Commandments of God? I like this one because it shows that the church will be keeping the commandments of God in the end times.

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:

    What commandments is Jesus speaking of ? Revelation is of Jesus, right? This is the same Jesus who said “IF you love me Keep MY Commandments”.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.

    Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
    Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;
    Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
    Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience,
    Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.

    whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in BECAUSE OF DISOBEDIENCE..

    Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

    Which day did Joshua speak of ? Sunday? “He AGAIN defines a *certain day* To-day (not today) if you hear His voice..”

    The Sabbath wasn't done away with no more than thou shalt not murder.

    *Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God*.

    Scriptures plainly say that you should keep the Sabbath day.

    You say everyday is your sabbath. Do you work? Are you able to worship God with everything you are, everyday? Even if you had no job you would still have to work around the house.

    God wants a whole day for Himself and He says that day is the seventh day the forth commandment of God.

    It's just that simple!,

    IHL,

    Ken

    ps I have to go because I have laundry to do. One thing I assure you I won't be doing on the Sabbath day

    God Bless You!

    :)

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     NickHassan 
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    topical

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    Yup, they changed the laws, they brought in the Trinity Doctrine and who knows!! they may have even rewritten the bible, well not to forget they removed some books from the canon too.

    Doesnt this seem familiar? the Roman empire/Catholic church and the emperors of other countries/presidents etc working together. History repeating itself constantly

    just my babbling 2 cents

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    Welcome Richard.
    For you.

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    topical

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     WorshippingJesus 
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    Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Sep. 02 2006,00:23)
    This Emperor of Rome used christianity as a tool to strengthen his Empire. As christianity was spreading throughout his kingdom, Constantine was finding it more difficult to oppose christianity. And with the constant attacks to the empire, it was as if Rome was fighting two fronts. It became increasingly difficult to contend with the growing christian problem and also constantly having to fend off opposing armies. For the enemies of Rome seen how weak the Roman Empire had become because of christianity and they continually tried to topple Rome and almost succeeded.

    Constantine claimed he had a vision from God and because of this vision, he put a symbol on his shields and it was believed this led them to victory. They were grossly outnumbered and many believed the victory a miracle.

    With this impressive victory, Constantine claimed he believed in the God of the christians and he sought to stop persecution of the christians. He then perpetuated ways that instituted the church into matters of the state. And the state into the church. This is how the Holy Roman Empire got her start. The ideals of the Roman Empire infiltrated that of the church and has been waiting for her time in these end of days.

    Posted: Sep. 02 2006,12:51 by epistemaniac

    Interestingly Constantine's son sided with the Arians and exiled Athanansius for his beliefs in the Trinity…. eventually the northern Germanic tribes, also Arians, sacked Rome and persecuted trinitarians until they eventually became trinitarians themselves….. “Constantius was pro-Arian in his leanings and took an active part in the affairs of the Christian church — convening one council at Rimini and its twin at Seleuca, which met in 359 and 360.” (Wikpedia)

    Good points Epi.

    :)

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    Hi TaA,
    This guy insisted everyone believe the trinity idea.
    But hey he has been dead a year or two has he not?
    We should not feel bound to believe what is not written.

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