• Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 5 days, 7 hours ago

    @t8

    An eternal prototype cannot become replicated into something with the same essence because the significant ‘eternalness’ within the prototype’s essence would be completely impossible to replicate. An eternal prototype can however begat another of the same eternal essence if the one begotten was also eternal and had the exact essence of the…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 month, 3 weeks ago

    Mike,

    you asked:

    This is the bottom line of what I want to know from you and @t8:

    1.  Did the ancient Hebrews consider the earth to be stationary, and fixed on pillars?  YES or NO?
    2. Did the ancient Hebrews consider the sun and the moon to be two different lights in the firmament?  YES or NO?
    3. Did the ancient Hebrews consider the fi…

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  • mikeboll64 replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 month, 4 weeks ago

    Kathi:  Mike,

    The firmament/raqia/expanse is “heaven/shamayim according to scripture.

    Yes.

    Kathi:  You agree that the birds fly in the first heaven which is firmament/raqia/expanse/shamayim but you don’t realize it.

    No.

    Kathi:  All the layers of heaven in between the waters on earth and the waters above the expanse are in what you translate…

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  • t8 replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 month, 4 weeks ago

    That’s what you guys are doing.  You think you know today how the world is, and you recognize that the Bible describes it completely differently.  And so you are trying your best to force the Bible into describing it the way you think it is – because you can’t stand for the scriptures to conflict with the “truth” of how scientism has described o…

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  • mikeboll64 replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 month, 4 weeks ago

    Kathi: Birds DO fly in the expanse/firmament. The expanse stretches from the earth to the end of outer space wherever that is.

    Mike, God called the “raqia” “shamayim” therefore…raqia = shamayim (Gen 1:8). Now all I have to do is show you that birds fly IN the shamayim and this discussion is over and you need to admit that birds do indeed fly IN…

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  • mikeboll64 replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 3 months, 3 weeks ago

    @T8: “So why is it that we have round stars/suns and wandering stars/planets are also round. But not the Earth. I suppose the argument is that it is the centre so it is unique.”

    Round doesn’t mean spherical.  Besides, in the flat earth model, there is no outer space with all those round planets and stars zooming around.  Here is a short clip to g…[Read more]

  • mikeboll64 replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 3 months, 3 weeks ago

    @t8: “You may have seen this. I post this because the argument is that the earth is the centre while science says the sun is. But even that idea is subjective because the sun supposedly flies  through space. If we add more information the perspective changes.”

    Yeah, I’ve seen the video about how we’re flying through space at what amounts to…[Read more]

  • mikeboll64 replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 3 months, 3 weeks ago

    Hey T8, so good to talk with you again.  I’m happy you are still running this site after all these years.  Good on you, bloke.  Okay, you’ve hit me with a lot, so let me give some brief answers now, and then I hope to walk you through the steps of how I came to believe we don’t live in the universe the scientists have created for us.  Oth…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 1 year, 3 months ago

    @t8

    you said:

    The logos is an attribute of God and like all attributes, they are part of God and always have been and always will be. He changes not.

    My response:

    So, within your last few posts you have said that the logos is a part of God and has always been a part of God and has always been in unity with God. Is that correct? Please answer…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 1 year, 3 months ago

    @t8

    you said:

    The Word was with God. When you are with God, that generally means you are for him, in unity with him, agree with him, but it never means you are him.

    T8, please answer this question:

    Do you believe that God ALWAYS had His Word or was there a time when the Word was not?

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 1 year, 4 months ago

    @t8

    You seem to believe that attributes, when begotten of God become living entites who are referred to as sons of God. You seem to believe that the difference between Jesus and all the other sons of God is that he was the first to be begotten before all the other sons. You seem to say that it was the act of ‘begetting’ that made him a son. Is…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 1 year, 4 months ago

    @t8

    You seem to believe that attributes, when begotten of God become living entites who are referred to as sons of God. You seem to believe that the difference between Jesus and all the other sons of God is that he was the first to be begotten before all the other sons. You seem to say that it was the act of ‘begetting’ that made him a son. Is…[Read more]

  • @t8

    you said ( I added the letters a,b,c):

    a.No mention of the fullness of God here and my words that you say are wrong are spot on with your above quote and many others. That was just the first one I came across without wasting too much time.

    b.But let’s say that you meant to say (all along) that you are not talking about God having members, b…

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  • @t8

    Nice try but you still aren’t grasping what I’m trying to tell you.

    I think this is what you think I am telling you:

    God = 1 Father + 1 Son

    However, this is what I am saying:

    The fullness of God = 1 Father + 1 Son, in unity, as God (Father) and Lord (Son). Their Holy Spirit is the unity of their personal spirits that extends from them…[Read more]

  • @t8

    You speak to Jael as if you agree with him and his theology. Seriously? He doesn’t even believe in the pre-existence of Christ.

    Also, you speak as if I am alone in my beliefs even when the Nicene Creed is what I believe in. Is that wise? Do you think I wrote the Nicene Creed? Do you really believe that I invented that creed? How silly. I’m…[Read more]

  • @t8

    You speak to Jael as if you agree with him and his theology. Seriously? He doesn’t even believe in the pre-existence of Christ.

    Also, you speak as if I am alone in my beliefs even when the Nicene Creed is what I believe in. Is that wise? Do you think I wrote the Nicene Creed? Do you really believe that I invented that creed? How silly. I’m…[Read more]

  • @t8

    There are those who are in the unity of God, i.e, the Father, Son, and their Holy Spirit…and there are those who are in unity because of their common faith IN the unity of God. All will take their part within the kingdom of God. There will be the unity of worshipers in the kingdom of God and there will be the unity of God which is the…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 1 year, 4 months ago

    @t8

    I noticed that you seem to be unsure that Jesus is the Word of God from what you said here and I noticed that you did not understand what the early church father is saying regarding the Son of God. I would like to help you out here in these regards…

    This is what you said:

    if Jesus is the Word that was with God etc, this does not make him…

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  • @t8  @jael

    Well, well…interesting to read your thoughts about what I believe while misquoting me, twisting my words, etc. Are ya’ll trying to do this on purpose for some strange satisfaction? Is that wise or does that show a lack? For instance, let me start with some of Jael’s comments:

    Jael, you said:

    She thinks of the PHYSICAL (fleshly)…

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  • @t8 you have made things so complicated. Just keep it simple, my friend.

    What is more simple, the eternal God has a son, or God is the son and other members and they are a sort of substance beyond comprehension who love each other with them all being 100% God, but not 200 or 300% when you look at all of them as God?

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